New here.....got a motocross question

[BLM Shot]

Yeah, the endurance part of motorcross is huge. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the top guys with a doctors assistance are running EPO. Seems to me that they would run similar to top cyclists. A little AAS & HGH in the off season, then move to EPO with a little HGH coming into season and tapering to keep levels low enough to pass tests and keep crit levels high but passable in season.

IDK this is just an educated guess from what I have read.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^did u use EPO when you were running marathons/halves?

we would train in high elevations ourselves.. a buddy of mine had a chamber he would sleep in the night before .. we were pretty hardcore but I really think the difference is so small that just training a tad better leading up to the race trumps all that.

the more mileage i put in the better i felt on race day to a tee.

 

[BLM Shot]

No on on the EPO. I was running at 6,000-10,000ft with some trail runs on 14er's and my crit is pretty high anyway. I would love to try a chamber.

I may do E down the road, when I feel I can do it safely. It's actually not too bad if done properly and monitored. I think all the deaths were because EPO just hit the racing scene and if you didn't do it, you weren't going to win. All these guys that thought if they just slammed enough EPO they would win, but ended up dying. Cyclists are still using EPO, just smarter.

I train hard and felt I ran pretty good. From what I understand, though, is normally when you would be gassed, if on EPO- you would power through with no issues.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ yea from what i've read the EPO sides can be tremendous. maybe one day if i get back into running i will try it.

 

[jimp]

I don't want to disagree with the elites here I have gotten tons of great advice from this board over the years.
I have professionally run motocross, as well as GP road racing. I'm also on HRT and have plenty of experience with Dbol.

forearm Pump is a big problem in these sports. when your arms get so pumped you can't feel the throttle and brakes any longer your in the weeds pretty quick. and these guys will use the muscles in there forearms thousands of times in a session.

shavas
has the great point about the red blood cells and giving blood regularly is the fix for that, but personally I also think the extra water you retain from the dbol is a contributing factor as well. I know with me a bit of Arimidex seems to tame the dbol pumps. You can search for dosage.

I have also found at my age (mid 40's) that warm ups and "real" stretching prior to the activity and immediately after helps greatly in both the pumps and recovery.

just my 2 cents
good luck

 

[rutdipper]

Just to clear up a few things and to help you get a better understanding of why I first started taking AAS, I had some really bad injuries a few years ago and trying to rehab them all at once in a timely fashion was almost impossible, I started using AAS the help recover faster and regain the muscle and strength I lost. which it worked great!........in no way did I expect this to make all my dreams come true lol. I decided to continue using it after I noticed how it also helped me on the bike with strength and recovery after long practice weeks

@shavas...my blood pressure is higher than is has been, I was also wondering if that could be a cause of why my armpump is worse. Also what is HRT? and what milder steroid would you recommend? thanks

@jimp...I too have found out that warming up real good and stretching does help alot, did you ever use AAS when racing? if so do you mind telling me what you used? thanks

I feel that Dbol gives me worse armpump and hurts my endurance more than when I take super low amount of Anadrol, I was under the oppression that maybe the higher red blood cell from anadrol might help me more if I can take a small enough amount to where I don't retain much water...seems to be working decent, but from what you guys are saying that may be causing me more problems??...... I'm all for trying something different, if it will work better. Is there anything that will still help me recover but give me less armpump?

Thanks for all your help! Im starting to really like this forum

 

[shavas]

Just to clear up a few things and to help you get a better understanding of why I first started taking AAS, I had some really bad injuries a few years ago and trying to rehab them all at once in a timely fashion was almost impossible, I started using AAS the help recover faster and regain the muscle and strength I lost. which it worked great!........in no way did I expect this to make all my dreams come true lol. I decided to continue using it after I noticed how it also helped me on the bike with strength and recovery after long practice weeks

@shavas...my blood pressure is higher than is has been, I was also wondering if that could be a cause of why my armpump is worse. Also what is HRT? and what milder steroid would you recommend? thanks

@jimp...I too have found out that warming up real good and stretching does help alot, did you ever use AAS when racing? if so do you mind telling me what you used? thanks

I feel that Dbol gives me worse armpump and hurts my endurance more than when I take super low amount of Anadrol, I was under the oppression that maybe the higher red blood cell from anadrol might help me more if I can take a small enough amount to where I don't retain much water...seems to be working decent, but from what you guys are saying that may be causing me more problems??...... I'm all for trying something different, if it will work better. Is there anything that will still help me recover but give me less armpump?

Thanks for all your help! Im starting to really like this forum

Your higher blood pressure is most likely the result of increased blood volume/fluid volume/ RBC count caused from the dbol and anadrol. These steroids cuase a lot of retention of fluid. HRT stands for hormone replacement therapy which a lot of guys here are on in which a relatively low dose of a longer acting testosterone is used to boost blood serum test levels into the higher ranges. HCG can also be used to keep the testes working and arimidex or another AI used for estrogren control if needed.

For motocross, I would think you would want to use a steroid that doesn't have much water retention like equipoise or winstrol. Id probably pick equipoise though as winstrol is known for causing sore joints. I experienced that the one time I cycled it and wouldn't do it again. Anavar is an oral which is pretty mild, low water retention but pretty expensive. If it was me I'd probably just use a low weekly dosage of testosterone cyp/enthanate like at about 150mg/ week which should give you all the strength and recovery you need for motocross with minimal water retention/increased blood pressure. Remember any cycle will shut you down and you would have to do post cycle therapy after to get you test levels back up to normal. In that time you're more likely to loss some stength and could also feel low and moody, decreased sex drive.

 

[jimp]

HRT is "Hormone replacement therapy" ie. doctor prescribe testosterone.

Yes I have used both Testosterone C and dbol when racing. I also still run a BMX bike a couple times a week. the leg and calf pumps on a BMX bike from the dbol is down right crazy sometimes.

The test alone for me dose not seem to produce the pumps I get from dbol, even when taken alone. If an injectable test is an option, you may find it still gives you the recovery and strength your looking for but not quite the pump from the dbol.

Also since your in your 20's keep in mind, old guys like me are "ON" HRT all the time. You need to be familiar with how long you can cycle, what you can use and how to do proper post cycle therapy. Other wise you may pay for it later in life.

 

[rutdipper]

Thanks for the input guys. I'll keep all that in mind.

just a couple quick questions tho. first: I heard that Dbol doesn't increase RBC count and even lowers it, which is why it hurts endurance so much...is this true?

Any other motocrosser's on here with experience with taking some kind AAS and not getting armpump?? feel free to chime in! THanks!

 

[Judo Tom]

not a motocross guy but in my sport gripping is very important and can ruin you during a tournament and we do lots of grip training, etc etc and if you dont manage pumps you will be done for or get injured.

if you are not using roids for bodybuilding the best advice I can give you is to use nice simple mild compounds first and foremost, 2nd is keep the dosage LOW, very low for bodybuilding standards. anything more will just cause problems.

it might sound crazy but try 250mg of test and 100mg of deca per week. run it for 6 weeks and see how you feel.

now on keeping pumps low you are gonna wanna drink a ton of water.. get near 1.5 gallons and see how that goes.. dont be surprised if you get above 2. supplement with calcium, mag, zinc and TAURINE. salt and potassium as well. I would look up 'homemade gatorade recipes" and make a bunch every day or a huge amount every few days.

hope that helps.. please try the low dose route if you are gonna do this.. remember you are not looking to pack on slabs of muscle..