New bulking cycle! Time to get my pro card!

[Sinister613]

Throw some HGH in there - or at least GHRP-2 or 6.

Also you could use some SARMS.

I'd add in a transdermal as well - maybe the tren instead of injecting it. If you want to run tren for 10 weeks the transdermal would be a good idea.

What's your training like?

Throw some EQ and Ostarine in there as well.

Lower your Tren dose and add in other anabolics. You will do better with synergy than such high doses of tren.

Why switch to transdermal tren when hes doing everything IM? Transderms are not a better option than IM unless were talking about orals then yes perhaps better idea.

You think cutlers coach is goin to tell him to start transderms and quit pinning? Lol this guy is goin for pro card not just a rec user.

Sent from Canada

 

[RyanGreg]

HGH for 12 months at 4ui is a good idea on paper and it's what I was going for this year. However I recently started with IGF-1 and I'm getting much more noticeable effect from it which, at the price I can get it, it's making me consider switching to IGF-1 only after 6 months of HGH. It's my first time with either of them too so I'm learning but the IGF-1 I can really feel it working which is reassuring.

Oh, and my main goal is hypertrophy right now, just as in your case.

What I'm trying to say is that of course you have to try HGH at one time and at a higher dose than 4ui but if you're on a budget you might want to research into IGF-1.

If i go on huh for 12 months would it be a good idea to go 2iu, 4iu, 6iu for 4 months at a time?

 

[ballslee]

HGh you should start at either 2 or 3 IU and go up .5 IU every 2 weeks, until you get to your desired dose. I got plenty at 3IU. Went as high as 5/6 IU.
HGH does help for sure and many benefits. You could run hgh and igf-1 together.

I suggest low dose t-4 with hgh. I ran it without this, but it will really go great with it. google and you will find articles to support it.
you definitely have alower metabolism and are more tired on hgh, and t4 will help that.

With that said:
Still hate your cycle.....

No idea why you want to keep doing every day injections with these compounds.
Tren is the only one that needs to be done every day, and doesn't even have to be.

Don't get why you don't want to do EOD?? tren is more stable, but no benefit on the other 2 injects. just do bigger shots?

I think the guy was suggesting tren transdermal because that is a lot of shots.....it would alleviate your need to do ED shots of tren and could add the ability to add other injects.

also, this is not a bulking cycle. This is a serious cutting cycle.

if you want to gain size and 'bulk' then why don't you run compounds that will accomplish that??

bulking and being on a long cycle with Hgh would be preferable to maximize the time you are on juice and building new muscle cells.

why not run long esters on a bulk? you can combat any water weight with aromasin or an oral, and hgh will help keep fat off

i suggest:
Test E
Deca
EQ
Primo
Anadrol/DBol

or even with the Tren you have:
Test E
Tren E
EQ or Primo
Anadrol or Dbol

you can run the compounds longer, and maximize time on cycle with growth. OH AND TAKE LESS SHOTS!!

you need to save this cycle for when you are cutting before the show

 

[stevesmi]

do you guys suggesting HGH for this kid realize how old he is?

even the biggest HGH juice heads will tell you wait till 30. i don't care if he is competing.. 23/24 is too young for HGH.

and then suggesting T3/4 on top of it? are we gonna fuck with his thyroid at that age as well?

just asking a question, i mean give any advice you want.. but this is lunacy to me and i dont want to see this kid go on thyroid meds, growth and HRT at 24 years old for the rest of his life

if you are gonna give that kind of advice will you atleast also tell him how to come off safely from these serious compounds. he might 2 or 3 years down the road decide its not for him then what?

 

[ballslee]

do you guys suggesting HGH for this kid realize how old he is?

even the biggest HGH juice heads will tell you wait till 30. i don't care if he is competing.. 23/24 is too young for HGH.

and then suggesting T3/4 on top of it? are we gonna fuck with his thyroid at that age as well?

just asking a question, i mean give any advice you want.. but this is lunacy to me and i dont want to see this kid go on thyroid meds, growth and HRT at 24 years old for the rest of his life

if you are gonna give that kind of advice will you atleast also tell him how to come off safely from these serious compounds. he might 2 or 3 years down the road decide its not for him then what?

well i dont see a problem with hgh or t4 at that age. im that age and have tried them. he asked about hgh....i just threw in more important information about its use. the guy said he is trying to go pro, so yes I would think that it is perfectly fine for him to use at that age.

i actually think that growth without t4 will mess your hormones up more. and t4 is a little different in terms of messing your thyroid up vs. t3. There are many studies that show that once you stop taking t4 your body will return to normal in 1-2 weeks. t3 is a different story though, and those dosage protocols are a little bit more intense and strict. i suggested 50mcg of t4 ED, and there isn't a protocol to come off of it. you just stop taking it, and your body will return to normal. you don't ramp up or down like t3....you can ramp up and take a higher dosage, but it is not for the function that I was stating.
Hgh you would just stop taking.....some people are recommending ipam as a PCT for it. but I find that your body returns to normal in less than a week after taking it. I think people overstate the possibilities of these hormones causing bad reactions. There are possibilities, but with the right information it is not too much of a concern in my opinion. you can screw yourself up pretty bad on AAS too, and be on TRT for life...but people don't say much about that when suggesting cycles...just pct correctly and you'll be fine.

I am sure goin on 4T can come chime in with more info, he has helped me learn a lot more about it on here than i originally new.

and I know several, several, several people at my gym who are under 30 and taking hgh. doesn't mean it is okay, and I know my gym is a little different from most in the US.....but i think the 30 age range thing is more to make people shy away from it and protect them, when in actuality it is there to make you learn more about why you should wait to that age, etc.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ using HGH in your early 20's is like using AAS in your teens. its stupid and its wreckless.

but because you have done it and your buddies at the gym have done it you defend it which is your choice.. on EF we try and teach the correct and safe way to use these compounds. we aren't like other sites. if you want to fuck yourself up then that is your business in the end.

i never touched hormones till i was in my late 20's so i am gonna have a different view from you young guys

 

[RickRock13]

do you guys suggesting HGH for this kid realize how old he is?

even the biggest HGH juice heads will tell you wait till 30. i don't care if he is competing.. 23/24 is too young for HGH.

and then suggesting T3/4 on top of it? are we gonna fuck with his thyroid at that age as well?

just asking a question, i mean give any advice you want.. but this is lunacy to me and i dont want to see this kid go on thyroid meds, growth and HRT at 24 years old for the rest of his life

if you are gonna give that kind of advice will you atleast also tell him how to come off safely from these serious compounds. he might 2 or 3 years down the road decide its not for him then what?

My thoughts exactly Steve. I'm glad you said something about his age and HGH use, which should have been done many posts ago

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ I guess its cause we are older and wiser.. these young guys think life is over at 25 or 30. thats the problem.

its like getting married to the first girl to give you a handjob, it makes no sense to me at my age. but the younger guys think they are in love with that girl. its kind of like that.

 

[lingski]

^^^ I guess its cause we are older and wiser.. these young guys think life is over at 25 or 30. thats the problem.

its like getting married to the first girl to give you a handjob, it makes no sense to me at my age. but the younger guys think they are in love with that girl. its kind of like that.

I use to beg my lifting partners to tell me a cycle. I met them when i was 20. There ages 32, 33, 29. They had all done awesome in compensation, and all started in there 19-20's.

They all said, no i could not make the same mistake.. "And i was pissed" but i listened.
My friends,
1 Pro,
1 IFBB judge Many titles.
1 with many IFBB placements.

Now all are in the ground. Massive heart attacks.
I dont want to name names.. But really they were all knowledgeable. and even the pro passed away.

It is not Mc Donalds. This shit is hard on your body. Why not listen to the people who learned the hard way.

Im just saying.

 

[RyanGreg]

HGh you should start at either 2 or 3 IU and go up .5 IU every 2 weeks, until you get to your desired dose. I got plenty at 3IU. Went as high as 5/6 IU.
HGH does help for sure and many benefits. You could run hgh and igf-1 together.

I suggest low dose t-4 with hgh. I ran it without this, but it will really go great with it. google and you will find articles to support it.
you definitely have alower metabolism and are more tired on hgh, and t4 will help that.

With that said:
Still hate your cycle.....

No idea why you want to keep doing every day injections with these compounds.
Tren is the only one that needs to be done every day, and doesn't even have to be.

Don't get why you don't want to do EOD?? tren is more stable, but no benefit on the other 2 injects. just do bigger shots?

I think the guy was suggesting tren transdermal because that is a lot of shots.....it would alleviate your need to do ED shots of tren and could add the ability to add other injects.

also, this is not a bulking cycle. This is a serious cutting cycle.

if you want to gain size and 'bulk' then why don't you run compounds that will accomplish that??

bulking and being on a long cycle with Hgh would be preferable to maximize the time you are on juice and building new muscle cells.

why not run long esters on a bulk? you can combat any water weight with aromasin or an oral, and hgh will help keep fat off

i suggest:
Test E
Deca
EQ
Primo
Anadrol/DBol

or even with the Tren you have:
Test E
Tren E
EQ or Primo
Anadrol or Dbol

you can run the compounds longer, and maximize time on cycle with growth. OH AND TAKE LESS SHOTS!!

you need to save this cycle for when you are cutting before the show

I have no problem with pinning ED..... i actually enjoy it and want to pin ED....... hahahaha

I was thinking of swapping the masteron out for EQ but thought mast would be better for mass?