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:rolleyes: HI AM NEW TO THE BORD BUT HAVE BEEN SEARCHING AND READING AND LEARNING FROM YOU ELITE FOR A LONG TIME NOW...IAM VERY OVER WEIGHT...ABOU280LB....5'11 AND ABOU35%BF...I KINDOF KNOW THE BASICS ABOUT THE DIET BUT SEEM TO ALWAYS FALL OFF THE PATH ANYONE OUT THERE WHO CAN RELATE OR JUST GIVE POSITIVE INFO IS APPRECIATED@!!!!:angel:
 
YIKES!!!!!

Bro, i feel your pain. This last year I was 220 at 5'10'' which is fat for me. After doing tons
of cardio and lifting mad weights, I'm down to a solid 200. All I can tell you is go to the gym
and keep pushing. Motivation is the key. Good luck and keep us posted.
 
Hey bud, just stay focused. If you really want it, it will happen. Put together a very strict diet and don't fall off the path. You obviously have a set goal in mind, but it would be a good idea to set short term goals as well. Its not gonna happen over night, so be patient and aware of progress. As long as you're progressing, you will reach your goal. Hope to see a pic of you ripped in a few months. Good luck.
 
THANKS

iAM HEADED TO THE SAND DUNES RIGHT NOW......BUT HOW DO U TAKE I HAVE SOME CLEN...CYTOMEL...AND LIPO....ADIPO...BUT HAVE NOT TAKEN IT CONSITANTLY......NOTE NOT ALL AT ONCE BUT BY THEM SELVES....WELL THANKS FOR THE ADVICE...
 
Most of that is babyfat. You could probably loose 30-35lbs the 1st month just from sweating alot. I would say don't really bother lifting weights for a month- 6 weeks after you've dropped those 30lbs of initial babyfat. From there you may be in adiquite shape. Then get back to us with another picture and we can suggest some training programs. STOP EATING JUNK AND PIZZA!
 
bro, do cardio twice a day, make a low fat,low carb diet high protein diet and if you want a supplement take an ECA stack
Good luck bro
 
Try the Jarid (SUBWAY DIET)-----See what happens. Seriously, it took you alot of work to look like that---and it will be alot of work to change it, but it can happen and will if you really want it to. Realize that their is no magic pill and for god sakes stay away from any A.S or DNP or anything else like that. That is no what you need. You need a lifestyle change---Do it slowly, I suggest putting together a diet that is not to extreme and try following that for one month before you do anything else. When You understand all about protein, carbs, fats then its time to introduce cardio and weight training----Because if you try to do all of it at once ( We have all seen it thousands of times, YOU WILL GET BURNED OUT and will fail)--If you do everything all at once right off the bat, you will expect your body to change in a hurry and that is not going to happen----Good Luck and dont let anyone talk you into DNp or any other stuff----Good Luck
 
Cardio first thing in the morning........before you eat break fast. wait 30-60 mins then eat a healthy breakfast.

Thats working for me.

Try to lose the weight sensibly. dont do anything drastic........your body will hate you for it.

Stick with ECA if you feel you need to take something. In my own eyes you should avoid the harder drugs.......until you get to a point where you have a few hard kilos left.
at your current size fat will melt off.

Make things like cardio a habit.......it will take a couple weeks to get used to it. You will HATE.......and i mean HATE it for first 1-2 weeks. But when you see the kilos comming of.......it will drive you. results are the best motivation.......but if they dont come work a bit harder......and you will see results
 
There are 2 ways to do it most quickly with your diet. 1) cut out fat or 2) cut out carbs. But you have to do some kind of cardio every day! I am 6'4" and several years ago, before I started working out, I weighed 260lbs. Almost NONE of that was muscle either. I didn't realize how bad I looked until I saw a picture of myself. That motivated me to do something about it, and fast! I started going to the gym at work where they had weights and a stair climber. I lifted weights and went 10 minutes on the stair climber every day. I also ate LESS THAN 10 GRAMS OF FAT PER DAY. I would eat stuff like fat-free cottage cheese for lunch and a big baked potato with veggies and ketchup (it's good) on it every night. I LOST 60 LBS IN 3 MONTHS. Then I kept up the weights and I'm up to 230 now, and it's not fat!

YOU CAN DO IT! You have to get motivated and "SEE YOURSELF LOSING THE WEIGHT". Stay focused on how good you are going to feel when you MAKE IT HAPPEN!

Good luck!
 
Definetely a strictly no carbo (especially no sugar) diet. Reduce on intake of animal fats. Cardio work 5 times a week, early morning jog/fast walk on empty stomach. Take DNP, T3. Take Clen alternating with ECA stack as well. Weight training 3-4xwk. Drink lotsa lotsa water throughout the day. Drinking plenty of water has been shown in studies to help reduce bodyfat. Its also good if u r taking DNP.
 
Lots of good info above. At your weight keep it simple and build on the motivation.
Start with a bottle of Xenadrine, cut 10% of your carbs each week for the first 5 and 5% each week after. the Xenadrine will help to serve as an appetite suppressent.
The key will be exercise and discipline. Find a way to motivate yourself when you get cravings to prevent the cheating. If you focus on 6 small meals a day you should be able to stay away from that hunger feeling where cheating is the result. Good luck and keep us posted.
 
I'd suggest going to a doctor and getting checked out before deciding on doing anything, including heavy cardio and supplements.

You don't want to play with fire and have a heart attack or anything. This isn't going to happen overnight. I'd say 90% of people who start diets quit then start again then quit again after being discouraged. It's all about breaking the cycle and being able to stay focused. If you want to be able to stay focused sign up for the body for life contest- $100K should be enough to keep anyone focused :D

Change slowly- play basketball, take bike rides, walk, etc. I wouldn't get into doing heavy cardio yet and your body won't allow for it anyways.

Your diet will be the first change. No carbs after a certain hour- I'd say 8 for now just because you are just starting and it's hard to drop carbs totally. Then slowly move down to 6, then 4.

Also, check out the Diet board- lot's of smart people over there who have TONS of diet options that they'd be more than happy to help you with.

As always, drugs should be used by people who are already in great shape and are trying to get over a hump. Not for people thinking they're taking a magical pill that will change them. Newbies should never do any kinds of drugs because they just don't know what dedication and hard training is about yet and those things are what drugs require to be effective.
 
Mr H is right. You may have a hypothroid or even a thyroid problem. Get some blood work done and get back to us.

Pending the blood work, you should concentrate on mourning cardio sessions. Walk around to neighborhood for an hour. Eventually increase speed and start setting small goals as far as being able to jog from one street to another. Eventually you'll be able to do it all.

As far as diets go, fuck the low carb high protein specialty diets. Just restrict calories and calories sources (junk food).

Most importantly, you have to allow yourself to make mistakes. I'll bet the farm you start a diet full force and strict, then after about 2 weeks start craving junk, eat it then get pissed off at yourself for doing it. Trust your body to make progress. Have that candybar (for example) but have it either in the mourning or after a workout.

Bottom line is education man. Learn how your body works, how it responds to different foods.

Chances are your body is sensative to insulin. So the first thing you eat in the mourning can determine the rest of the day. For example, you eat some cereal or something sugary, your insulin levels will increase making you crave that shit all day. Instead first thing in the mourning, slam a protein shake or some eggs.

You need to do this so your diet is efficient and its not a miserable pain in the ass. Good luck man.
 
Here's a safe suggestion to slowly move you in the right direction. If you want more help on diet (i.e. Caloric intake, types of food, feeding schedule, etc...) e-mail me.

Let me start off by saying that when you do get started, the results you'll see in the course of the first 6 months will be dramatic! (If your fat is due to diet and exercise. If it's a medical condition, then you need to seek the advice of a physician) But keep in mind that we're talking 6 months of dieting and light cardio, building to full blown cardio) So, don't start and at the end of a week go, "Damn, I still look the same!"

Here's my recommendation (to be used in conjuction with a good diet)

Wk 1 - 20 mins cardio 5x/wk (Walking)
Wk 2 - 30 mins cardio 5x/wk (Walking)
Wk 3 - 40 mins cardio 5x/wk (Walking)
Wk 4 - 50 mins cardio 5x/wk (Walking)
Wk 5 - 60 mins cardio 5x/wk (Walking)

Once you reach this point, continue with your cardio increasing the resistance, by 1 or the incline of the treadmillby .5%-1.0% each week till wk 12. You may occassionally notice that you aren't ready to "step it up", don't! Trust what your body is telling you. Also, the first couple weeks may seem "low impact." They're suppose to be. Build up slowly and good luck. Keep us posted on your progress....
 
i really recomend against doing drugs at this point. first clean up your diet. take your weight, multiply it by 12, thats how many calories you have to start out with. now take those calories and dived them into 6. you will eat six meal, each consisting of number of calories you obtained earlier. eat no sugars, very little carbohydrates. try to get most of your calories from protein and some fat. you will feel like shit, but thats what its goin to take. now start to add cardio on the morning before eating, 5 times a week, at least 30 minutes each time. as you peel off the weight you will have to readjust your total caloric intake. once you get your body-fat below 15%, then you can consider drugs.
 
bro you need some SERIOUS cardio work! forget the clen and all that other stuff just yet get your body conditioned first, a couple of weeks of cardio should take care of that
 
Cardio is great, but I think a strict keto diet will get you where you want to go: Check this out, I found this on Muscle Chemistry's site. I did it for 6 weeks minus all the drugs except clen and ECA and I lost 12 pounds of fat.

8 WEEK SUPERCUT CYCLE

It's that time of year again. Here on the East Coast, convertible tops are starting to come down, sweatshirts are being put away, and the season of skin is rapidly approaching. Which means that after a long season of mass cycles, "see food" diets, and setting personal bests in all lifts, it's time to shed some fat. I know it's about that time for me ... time to let the abs out!

With that in mind, I put together this diet/training/supplement cycle that I plan on doing starting April 1. You will see that it is a patchwork of a bunch of information that I have accumulated from a variety of books, boards, and bros. So here it is, my 8 week supercut cycle:

Diet

Of course, it all starts with diet. I hate to diet as much as anyone does, but we all know that it is a necessary evil. Since this is only an 8-week course, the most effective diet to use is a CKD (cyclical ketogenic diet).

I know, I know. CKD's are a pain in the ass. We're bodybuilders, not mathematicians right? Who has time to figure out all of the ratios and shit? Well, fortunately my girlfriend found a site that does all of that shit work for you. All you have to do is answer a few questions and it will generate your info for you.

Here's the link:

http://www.voicenet.com/~petrizzi/fitness/ckdcalc.html

While I'm at it, here's a link to an article with good, basic CKD guidelines:

http://www.solid.net/lowcarb/lylemcd/cyclic1.html
http://www.soild.net/lowcarb/lylemcd/cyclic2.html

So, now you know how you have to split up your macronutrients for the ketogenic phase (Monday through Friday PM) and for the supercompensation phase (carb-up ... Friday PM - Sunday PM).

For the unimaginative, or for the easily bored, I am also going to give you a few links to some low carb recipe pages.

http://www.ptyza.com/pamstuff/lowcook.htm
http://www.lowcarb.ca/recipes.html

Some guys can go all week drinking protein in water and doing shots of flax oil to stay in ketosis. That seems like a lot of fun, but I am not one of those guys. I need some food with my shakes! So, here is a sample week of what I will be doing on a typical ketosis phase (I am 220 lb. @ 12% fat, so you may need to adjust):

Monday

Meal #1
3 Egg "Mock"muffins
Isopure Zero Carb shake

Meal #2
Low-carb bar
EFA Supplement

Meal#3
Baked Chicken
Spinach w/ butter

Meal #4
Cream cheese on celery
Isopure Zero Carb shake

Meal #5
Grilled Chicken Strips dipped in Ranch dressing

Meal #6 (post workout)
Isopure Zero Carb shake

Tuesday

Meal #1
No-carb donut holes
6 pieces bacon
Isopure Zero Carb shake

Meal #2
¼ cup ricotta cheese, with 1 packet Equal and sprinkle of cinnamon

Meal #3
Chef Salad (turkey, ham, hard cheese, and eggs)
Low-carb dressing

Meal #4
Low carb bar
EFA Supplement

Meal #5
Pepper Steak

Meal #6 (post-workout)
Isopure Zero Carb Shake

Wednesday

Meal #1
Cheese Omelet
6 pieces bacon
Isopure shake

Meal #2
Low carb bar
EFA Supplement

Meal #3
Chicken salad

Meal #4
Turkey/cheese roll-ups
Isopure shake

Meal #5
Crispy Chicken on Spinach salad

Meal #6 (post-workout)
Isopure Zero Carb Shake

Thursday

Meal #1
No-carb Cinnamon cake
6 pieces bacon
Isopure Zero Carb Shake

Meal #2
Low-carb bar
EFA Supplement

Meal #3
Chef Salad

Meal #4
Cream cheese on celery or Wasa crackers

Meal #5
Grilled chicken
Broccoli covered with cheese

Meal #6 (post-workout)
Isopure Zero Carb Shake

Friday

Meal #1
No-carb Light muffins
6 pieces Bacon
Isopure Zero Carb shake

Meal #2
Low carb bar
EFA Supplement

Meal #3
3 or 4 cheese filled hot dogs
Salad w/ dressing

Meal #4
No-carb cheesecake cups
Isopure Zero carb shake

Meal #5
Salmon Steak w/ lemon sauce
Cheese covered mixed veggies

Meal #6 (post workout ... start the carbs!)
Isopure Zero Carb Shake
ULTRA FUEL

Carb-up days are easy. Just eat lots of low fat, high carb foods. Throw in a few protein shakes each day and you should easily be able to cover yourself. If you can't eat all of those carbs, drink `em. UltraFuel works well. Drink lots of Gatorade.

You might do yourself a favor by switching to Lactaid milk during this period, and also taking a supplement called Beano with your meals. This is because your body won't be ready for the lactose in regular milk if you go off the deep end. The Beano provides you with an enzyme to break down some starches in your system. You will be putting away a lot of calories in a short time, and the "beneficial bacteria" chillin out in your intestine are gonna go crazy when all of the fiber/sugar hits them after they've been deprived for about a week.

I learned this the hard way before, and I was running to the bathroom every 10 minutes with some powerful gas. Lactaid and Beano are cheap, and they will save you some trouble.

Dirty trick to get into ketosis QUICKLY (thanks Elite Fitness & Dan Duchaine)

The trick, originally brought to my attention by Dan Duchaine, is the use of Humulin R injectible insulin.

Humulin R insulin is important compared to other types of insulin because it reaches its peak effect in 2 hours, causing a quick metabolic shift into ketosis.

Using small amounts of insulin will cause your blood glucose to drop, in a quick and controlled manner. Glucose levels hit about 50 mg/ml and force your body into ketosis at a much faster rate.

Insulin is one of the most controversial drugs used in bodybuilding today. The reality is that if you slip up and use too much insulin, you could enter a hypoglycemic coma, which could cause irreversible damage to your body and in some cases prove fatal. Please note that that the following information is highly controversial and provided solely for informational purposes.

Despite the controversy surrounding its use insulin is one of the easiest substances in bodybuilding to obtain legally. It is available over the counter in most U.S. states and costs between $20-$30 in local pharmacies and is even cheaper through U.S. mail order pharmacies.

In most U.S. states a prescription is required to purchase and possess the insulin
syringes used to administer the drug. This problem can be avoided by ordering syringes from mail order sources. A person using insulin for bodybuilding purposes should face no real legal ramifications. The only problems that can arise is getting caught possessing syringes with out a script or actually selling insulin for any purpose other than the treatment of diabetes.

A glucometer, to display your blood glucose levels, is highly recommended while attempting to use insulin safely. A glucometer costs around $100. It is possible to use insulin without a glucometer if your are cautious but it is not recommended.

You will also need to purchase insulin syringes that hold up to 100 units. Do not use regular syringes. You will need to measure out precise amounts of insulin, between 2-3 units, which cannot be measured accurately using a regular syringe.


Here's how it works:

After you eat your last carb meal on Sunday night, you will need to take a reading on the glucometer to check your blood glucose level. The body's normal blood glucose level is usually between 80mg/ml and 120 mg/ml.

At this point, draw 2-3 units of insulin and inject it subcutaneously into a fold of skin.

After waiting between two or three hours, take another reading with the glucometer. You blood glucose level will have dropped since your last measurement. Again inject 2 units of insulin and measure your blood glucose level around 2 hours after your injection.

Repeat this cycle until your blood glucose level is between 55 mg/ml and 65 mg/ml.

When your blood glucose is at this level, you will descend into ketosis while you sleep.

REMEMBER TO STAY AWAKE FOR AT LEAST 2 HOURS AFTER AN INSULIN INJECTION.

The last thing you want is to fall asleep after an injection and have your blood glucose drop to a
dangerously low level while you sleep. You could fall into a hypoglycemic coma and no one will recognize the symptoms until it is too late.

Upon waking in the morning, measure your urine with the Ketostix. Measuring ketones in the morning is necessary because the sticks show only the unused level of ketones in your body and should show trace to moderate ketone levels. If you measure them in the afternoon the numbers will not be as accurate, because most of the ketones that were produced will have been used by your body as fuel.

Dietary Supplements (thanks Dave's Power Store)

Some supplements you should consider taking while on this diet include:

A basic multivitamin and mineral supplement is warranted due to the lack of breads, cereals, grains, fruits and some vegetables for 5 days per week.

I also recommend Fibersol by Twinlab or Sugar Free Metamucil because of the lack of dietary
fiber that low carbohydrate foods possess. Fibersol is a carbohydrate-free soluble fiber. Even if you want to forget all the healthy benefits of a high fiber diet, at least know that it may be very unhealthy and unpleasant to not have at least one bowel movement per day. If you don't supplement with fiber you may not have a movement for 3-4 days. That's way too long.

I would still use creatine monohydrate every day at 10 grams per day.

You may also want to add L-glutamine at 40 grams per day, split up 5 grams every 3 hours you are awake, and 10 grams right before bed.

Glutamine is the most abundant amino acid in muscle. It improves immune cell function, stimulates protein synthesis, and prevents catabolism from the effects of cortisol. I have made it through many cutting cycles NATURAL without losing much muscle, and I attribute that to high glutamine intake.

Although not a supplement, I cannot suggest or recommend highly enough, that you consume at least 1 gallon of water every day -- not soda or coffee. With a higher protein intake and because ketone bodies act as a natural diuretic, you'll urinate more. This can cause mild states of dehydration that could cause some not-so-mild performance problems in the gym if you don't replace the water lost.

Ergogenic Aids / Fat Loss (thanks Grendle, TBM, and Q)

To maximize fat loss, you will need to be on a potent stimulant/thyroid protocol. Since this is only 8 weeks, it will be a pretty aggressive stack.

For the ultimate fat burning combo you will need to obtain Ritalin, cytomel (T3 thyroid hormone), clenbuterol, ephedrine hydrochloride (get the real stuff from a gas station or a hardcore nutrition store - forget the herbal versions), glucophage (Metaformin HCL), and yohimbine hydrochloride.

If you need to know why we are using these drugs then you shouldn't be doing this stack.

Week 1-2
-20 mg Ritalin upon waking
-60 mcg clenbuterol upon waking
-50 mcg cytomel upon waking
-6 mg yohimbine 30 minutes to one hour after the clenbuterol.
-10 mg Ritalin 6 hours after the first pill
-60 mcg clenbuterol sometime before 2 pm
-50 mcg cytomel with the clenbuterol
-6 mg yohimbine 30 minutes to one hour after the clenbuterol
- 2 hours before bed take 1600 mg glucophage (Metaformin HCL) to curb nighttime appetite.

Week 3-4
Same as above, but replace clenbuterol with 50 mg of ephedrine HCL.

Week 5-6
This should be taken as time off from the Ritalin and the beta-agonists. You
should continue cytomel at 100 mcg per day (in two divided doses). You can
use DNP if you would like during this two-week period.

Week 7-9
Stop the use of the cytomel and all other drugs.

This should insure that for most of your waking day you are under the influence of Ritalin. You will immediately notice that the drug has curbed your appetite, but without the tremors and anxiety associated with products like ephedrine and clenbuterol.

Ritalin is a stimulant, but it uses totally different pathways then either ephedrine or clenbuterol. Therefore it is possible to combine the drugs into a synergist cocktail yielding incredible results. Be aware that there is a potential for over-stimulation in this mixing of drugs. Do not combine Ritalin with a beta-agonist product the first time you try either drug. This combination is intended for people who are experienced with the beta-agonists and also with Ritalin.

For the more adventurous, there are a few other aids that you could toss in to maximize fat loss:

DNP - "If you don't know where to find DNP then you shouldn't be using it" - Jay Meuller

DNP is my favorite dieting aid out of these 4 because it's so deadly and you can't fuck around with it. DNP was originally used and still used for different things such as TNT, rat Poison and a host of other similarly dangerous items.

DNP is the single most effective way to lose body fat in the fastest period of time. So, why don't people use it more often? 1) It's hard to get and 2) The possible negatives far outweigh the positives.

The way DNP makes you feel is the number one reason people hate it or won't use it. Non-stop sweating, fatigue, and lack of energy make it near impossible to carry on normal daily activities. Working out becomes a horrible experience and your body constantly craves carbs.

However, there is an upside to it. If you take a safe dosage such as 400-600mg's in a 2 on, 1 off
fashion, it is manageable for periods of up to a month. Using DNP puts a huge amount of pressure on the kidneys and liver, thus making Milk Thistle a supplement to use.

When on DNP, all bodily functions become yellow. Everyday functions such as urinating, and sweating leave stains of yellow and have the same tint to them when leaving the body.

Water is a must asset to have to keep the body hydrated throughout the day. Vitamin C should also be used at 1000-2000mg day to combat the possible blurriness that occurs from DNP.

I have heard of glycerol being used but I don't use it myself.

A normal cycle would be 3-4 weeks long with a 2on 1off schedule. 400mg the first day and possibly 600mg the second. Because DNP doesn't kick in for up to 36hrs, some people will overdose thinking its not working. That is the wrong move to make and could prove deadly.

After taking the first 400mg, see how you feel the day after. If you know that you're ok and could go higher, do so.

Pure DNP at 400mg's is more than most people can handle, so for most, upping the dosage is not required.

If your not making DNP yourself, you better trust your supplier because he is playing with your life by dosing the capsules. If he or she OD's the capsules and puts 400mg instead of 200 and you take 2, that's 800mg's of DNP in you. Can you say Emergency Room?

I can't stress enough the importance of knowing exactly how much DNP you are taking. This is not something to be taken lightly and as I stated, before it's important to get it right the first time because there are no second chances with this drug.

There are two times I'd use DNP. One is to cut down to low single bf% and the other is when fat loss comes to a stand still. Some people use it to kick start their diet, but to me that am a waste because when people first start to diet, the fat comes off quickly. After that it becomes harder and harder to lose fat without sacrificing hard earned muscle. This is where DNP comes in handy.

Another side note about DNP is that it causes severe water retention. When people use it, they think its not working and immediately start to eat like normal post cycle. The problem is, it takes up to a week to see the full results of DNP. Once the water is gone, you can see how you have faired.

Don't be upset if it looks like nothing is working when it really is. You can speed up the process by drinking a lot of water the week after your last dose then dehydrating for a night till the next morning. How you look that morning will be a good indication of how your cycle went.

Nicotine - One study stated that nicotine was possibly the most effective anti obesity drug
available at the time that the study was performed (late 70's). Nicotine has various properties that help in weight reduction while sparing muscle:

Reduced appetite - Nicotine inhibits food intake via three mechanisms, first it elevated adrenalin and nor-adrenalin levels which reduces appetite. Next Nicotine itself has been shown to reduce the craving for carbohydrates. Great addition to a ketogenic diet.

Thermogenic effects - The release of adrenaline and nor-adrenaline also cause a thermogenic effect similar to that of ECA.

Actual fat reduction - Nicotine stimulates a very rapid mobilization of fatty deposits. This happens as quickly as 10 minutes after administration. The lipids are mobilized and free fatty acids are released in the blood stream in great amounts. The free fatty acids diminish quickly due to an unknown action of nicotine. Nicotine seems to help the body use the FFA's for energy in an accelerated fashion.

Nicotine has an eight-fold weight loss effect on the system:

Reduction of overall appetite
Reduced craving for carbs
Thermogenic effect
Fatty deposit mobilization
Stimulation of FFA degradation
Estrogen reduction
Prostaglandin release
Growth hormone release

I know how extremely controversial that nicotine use is, and I in no way condone anyone going out and starting up a smoking habit for the sake of fat loss. However, I have experimented with slapping a low dose patch on me for 2 weeks, and I did lose fat at an increased rate.

Play at your own risk with this one guys!

Ergogenic Aids / Anabolics (thanks William Llewellyn)

As far as for what AS to use on this cycle, I will defer to my trusty copy of Anabolics 2000 and list the "potent cutting/hardening cycle" given. I am far from a pro at AS use (having only 2 cycles under my belt), but I am good at cutting. But you could use any of the standard stacks for cutting.

Weeks 1 - 8: Finaplix @ 2 pellets per day, Winny @ 150mg/day (week 1 @ 100mg/day)
Week 8: 5000 - 7000 IU of HCG
Week 9: 5,000 IU of HCG
Week 10: 3000 IU of HCG

Again, this was out of Anabolics 2000. From what I've seen around, these numbers seem low. Do what you know best for you. These are just guidelines.

Personally I think Fina @ 75 mg per day is a minimum, but that's just me. I like to keep things simple. Remember that your goal is to lose fat. The AS are present to be sure that you don't lose any hard-earned muscle.

For something a little more aggressive, here is a stack that I got from Q:

Week Fina EQ
1 700 mg 400 mg
2 700 mg 400 mg
3 700 mg 400 mg
4 700 mg 400 mg
5 700 mg 400 mg
6 700 mg 400 mg
7 700 mg -
8 350 mg -
9 - -


Weight Training

While on a CKD, I have found it best to follow this training split:

Monday - Squats/Chest/Back (heavy and hard) + cardio
Tuesday - Abs + cardio
Wednesday - Full body circuit (see below) + cardio
Thursday - Abs + cardio
Friday - Full body circuit (see below) + cardio
Saturday & Sunday - rest

On Monday, go heavy and hard. I use squats, flat bench press, incline presses, heavy rows, and pulldowns on this day. After warm-ups, I use an 8-6-4-2 rep scheme.

Going heavy and hard early in the week while your glycogen stores are full will allow you to accomplish 2 things:

You will keep your strength in your big lifts. Most people lose strength when they go on a cutting cycle.

You will rapidly deplete glycogen stores. Big, compound moves rapidly use up the stored glycogen in your liver and in your muscles.

As for the full body circuits, the week-to-week progression I plan to use builds off of the weeks before it. That way, your muscles will be forced to adapt to a new training stimulus every two weeks. This will help to further retain your muscle mass. The workouts will look like this:

Weeks 1 & 2 - 2 sets of 20 on all exercises, hitting positive failure by end of set,
up to 30 seconds rest in between sets - if needed

Lunges (hold dbs in hands)
Flat db Chest Press superset with db Pullover
One Arm db row
Seated db Military Press superset with db Upright Row
Alternate db curl superset with Push-ups

Weeks 3 & 4 - 3 sets of 15 or until failure on all exercises, up to 30 seconds rest in between sets.

Single Leg Presses (or step-ups if not in gym)
Incline db Chest Press superset with Incline db Flye
Military Press (bar) superset with Bent Over Row (bar)
db Side Raise superset with db Upright Row
Seated db curl superset with Skullcrushers

Weeks 5 & 6 - 3 sets of 20 on all exercises, hitting positive failure by end of set,
up to 30 seconds rest in between sets - if needed

Static Lunges (hold dbs in hands)
Flat db Pullover/Chest Press/Flye superset - do one pullover, one press, one flye. That's a rep.
One Arm db row
Seated db Arnold Press/Upright Row/Side Raise superset - standard superset
Seated db Curl 21's
DB Skullcrusher/Close Grip Bench Press/Push-ups superset

Weeks 7 & 8 - 3 sets of 8 on all exercises, adjust weights up accordingly, hitting positive failure by end of set, use rest guidelines laid out in workout program below.

One Arm db Row - 3x8, no rest
Flat db Press/Flat db Flye superset - 3x8, 60 seconds between sets
Seated db Arnold Press/Standing db Upright Row superset - 3x8, 30 seconds rest
Standing db Curls/Standing db Hammer Curls superset - 3x8, 30 seconds rest
Close Grip Bench Press/Kickbacks superset - 3x8, 30 seconds rest
High Stance Single Leg Press - 3x8, no rest (if no gym access, use step ups)
Single Leg Curl - 3x8, no rest (eliminate if no gym access)
Stiff Leg Deadlift - 3x8, 30 seconds rest

Cardio Training

The cardio training I am going for is a steady progression from 30 minutes per day, gradually building up to two sessions per day of one hour of interval training. While some may say that this is too much cardio, I know what works for me. This does the trick. The progression looks like this:

week 1= 30 mins/day (preferably do all cardio in the AM on an empty stomach)
week 2= 45 mins/day
week 3 = 50 mins/day, split 25 in AM and 25 after workout
week 4 = 60 mins/day, split 30 in AM and 30 after workout
week 5= 90 mins/day, split 45 mins in AM, and 45 mins after workout
week 6 = 120 mins/day, split 60 mins AM and 60 mins after workout
week 7 & 8= 120 mins/day, INTERVAL TRAINING, split 60 mins AM & 60 MINS after workout. For intervals, I usually use a hill program on a treadmill or a random program on an elliptical trainer (if access to a Pre-Cor EFX, try program #5).

Abdominal Training

Over the winter, you should have been doing your heavy ab work to build up the mass on those abs. The heavy weight work is what will create those ridges in your abdominals.

For this program, you will be doing high rep range work. The purpose is to keep your heart rate up and keep the fat burning process going.

week 1 = 3 sets x12 reps
week 2 = 3 sets x15 reps

Knee-Raises on Vertical Bench (or reverse crunches or heel press ups)
Partner-resisted crunch
Roll-outs (the move that torso track simulates), using ab wheel
Bench Crunch

week 3 = 3 sets x 15 reps
week 4 = 3 sets x 20 reps

Knee-Raises on Vertical Bench (or reverse crunch/heel press up)
Weighted Incline Crunch w/ slight Twist at top
Russian Twist (weighted)
Bench Crunch
Flutter kicks

week 5 = 3 sets x 15 reps
week 6 = 3 sets x 20 reps

V-up Crunch
Cable Crunch (or Weighted crunches if not in gym)
Roll-outs (the move that torso track simulates), using ab wheel
Plyometric Crunches

week 7 = 3 sets x 15 reps
week 8 = 3 sets x 20 reps

Crunch/V-up/Cross-Touch Crunch/Reverse Crunch giant set, 30 seconds rest


Conclusion

So there it is, my personal plan for an 8 week supercut cycle. It is admittedly aggressive, but as I said it is designed to achieve maximum results in a short period of time.

I can not stress enough that this article is just a big mesh of a lot of information I have accumulated from many sources, with some of my own experience tossed in (I am educated in nutrition as well as being a certified trainer).
 
I think in your case Dexatrim, DNP and alot of walking will do you some good. Yes, I said walking and not jogging. Walk at least 45 minutes per day at least 3 days a week. Also, judging from your BF I'd say that your cholesterol level is probably high too so buy yourself some fibrecon and take 1 to 2 tabs per day and 1 bayer aspirin per day. Also, continue to lift heavy weights, the bigger your muscles get the faster your metabolism. You shoul also get a blood test to see if your thyroid and liver are working correctly. If they aren't you can get a prescription drug like T3 from your doc.
 
Assuming all goes well with the good doctor, I'd really recommend you start some light cardio. Don't go for speed, rather, concentrate on time. Keep the heart beat up by jogging for a full 15 mins.

If you feel extreme pain or faintness stop and rest but don't get discouraged.

Then move on to a stationary bike or somehting...The key is to sweat your balls off.

You have to realize that weight loss is a serious lifestyle change--especially diet. Low carb, high protien might be your best route. Watch out for the cholesterol. Just because it has protein doesn't make it healthy!! Grilled chicken will be your best friend--as well as grilled fish, and pork chops.

You really should lose some serious weight before starting a weight training regimine. I think after 50 or 60 lbs. you should start building muscle. Stay focused.

NO CHEATING!!! And while losing the first lbs. go natural. If you're short on energy, pop a couple of Xendarine or Hydroxy's but be careful cuz those fuckers tax your heart. I think that's it. Best of luck bro!
 
Well I guess I am a good one to tell you my story.

At 14yo I was 355lbs, fat like hell, I was alway eating, doing no sports at all. One day before the summer vacation when I was 14 again, I decided to lose weight, I was tired of all that cr***.
I started slowly but then two weeks after I started, one of my friend as a joke arrived to me
and pitched my chest and said " Hey that like those of mygirlfriend". Sheex that sparked me!!!

11 months after I was at 194lbs, at 8%bf, I lost 161 lbs in 11 months.
Okay I didnt had any six packs because of all the loose skin, but I had Abdominoplasty to removes
the excess fat. ( Hurt like hellllll!!!!! )

Anyway, I started dieting correctly and I reduced my calories, I trained like a madman with weights, cardio, and I was doing sports practically all the time.
I was lifting for endurance and cutting, high set high rep, I wasnt doing any weights for bulking.

What that really helped me the most was my discipline, my schedule ( training, food etc.. ), and
the will power, somethiing That I miss now :rolleyes:

Anyway now im 24 at 310 at 6'2 1/2, bf at 16%, my football career ( from College and University )
brought me to bulk alot and changed my mentality of before, meaning that it put me weighs alot

Right now I am in the process of cutting up,

I was on a cycle of : Test prop, Sust, Fina, Eq, Winny, Deca, T3 and Clen but I had to stop because of a knee surgery, so future look good, and body too :party:

So keep the faith up, and get your goals straight, plan it , have discipline and will power and you will
achieve it :teleport:
 
BODYFAT IT MUST HAVE TOOK A LOT OF GUTS FOR YOU TO POST YOUR PICTURE BIG RESPECT FOR THAT!!!!!!!.HOPE YOU ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS GOOD LUCK.:cool:
 
STOP EATING JUNK AND PIZZA!

i would say stop eating, PERIOD;
Every pound goes through the mouth!!!

You should go on a strict diet for MONTHS.

By the way Swollen, nice back pic of Arnold.
 
CARDIO

WELL I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR ADVICE....AND SINCE YOU TOOK THE TIME TO RESPOND ..I DECIDED TO KEEP YOU POSTED ON HOW IAM DOING...I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INFO I DID NOT EXPECT THIS MUCH SUPPORT AND HELP...SO IN RETURN HERES A PICTUREOF THE HILL I DID FOR CARDIO..I ONLY DID 10 SPRINT TO A SHORT DISTANCE......jUST TO GIVE SOME HISTORY ..I HAD A BLOOD TEST ALL WAS FIND..THIS WAS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.. i HAVE ALSO HIRED A COACH BEFORE AND GOTTEN DOWN TO ABOUT245LB IT FELT GREAT.....SO I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE DIET A LITTLE MORE KNOW...i PLAN TO TAKE EVERYONE ADVICE INTO CONSIDERATION AND MAKE A PLAN AND DIET...YOU THE ELITE HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL
THANKS;)
 
Just to let ya know I started at 36% bodyfat in january and as of june dropped to 15%. I'm still workin on it but this is just one ordinary guy to another on how you can do. I got myself a personal trainer for motivation and to keep my ass on track for the first 3 months then became his training partner cuz he liked my intensity. 5 days a week work outs NO EXUSES and 4 to 5 days of cardio on top of that. I am so much the happier guy now.
 
Congrats on the progress and good luck bro. Doing cardio is fine, but I believe if you want true body transformation, you have to hit the wieghts. You will add muscle, lose BF and make permanent strides, vs. setting yourself up for the "yoyo effect". My advice to you would be to go to a workout site like Max-Ot and learn how to lift properly and follow their workout for the next 6 mos - a year. Try to replace some of those simple carbs with lean protein and drink a ton of H20.

http://www.ast-ss.com/max-ot/max-ot_intro.htm , BTW, you have to sign up, but its free, some guys here I have suggested it to, were too lazy to sign up and even look at it. If you give it a go for the initial 12 weeks, it will make a huge difference in how you approach weight training the rest of your life. You're best friend, long term, when it comes to burning fat will be added muscle mass, not tons of cardio.
 
Make sure you hit the diet and cardio. They are the most important thing when trying to loose fat. Hit the cardio 4-5 times a week for 30-50 min a day and keep yourself on a good training shedule. An E/C/A stack would help you loose some of that unwanted fat but before you take it go to the doc and get your blood pressure checked as e/c/a have been know to increase BP in some people. E-Mail or PM me if you have any questions, I had the same problem as you when I was younger. Good Luck cutting off that fat

M18
 
I say - Low carb diet.

Go to a 1/2 price bookstore anf finds either "Atkin's new diet revolution" or "Protein Power"

It's that simple - you have a insulin problem bro. Cut out the carbs. Don't even try a "carb refeed" for at least 12 weeks due to your current "body fat" and "leptin" levels.

I'd throw in some Ephedrine - Caffiene - Aspirin (ECA). You can learn all about safe ECA stacking by going here www.drumlib.com

try visiting www.lowcarb.org

I dropped 90 lbs doing a simple low-carb diet. once at goal I switched to cyclical ketogenic diet.

Good Luck
 
Mr H said:
I'd suggest going to a doctor and getting checked out before deciding on doing anything, including heavy cardio and supplements.

You don't want to play with fire and have a heart attack or anything. This isn't going to happen overnight. I'd say 90% of people who start diets quit then start again then quit again after being discouraged. It's all about breaking the cycle and being able to stay focused. If you want to be able to stay focused sign up for the body for life contest- $100K should be enough to keep anyone focused :D

Change slowly- play basketball, take bike rides, walk, etc. I wouldn't get into doing heavy cardio yet and your body won't allow for it anyways.

Your diet will be the first change. No carbs after a certain hour- I'd say 8 for now just because you are just starting and it's hard to drop carbs totally. Then slowly move down to 6, then 4.

Also, check out the Diet board- lot's of smart people over there who have TONS of diet options that they'd be more than happy to help you with.

As always, drugs should be used by people who are already in great shape and are trying to get over a hump. Not for people thinking they're taking a magical pill that will change them. Newbies should never do any kinds of drugs because they just don't know what dedication and hard training is about yet and those things are what drugs require to be effective.

Good advice
 
i dont know why many people are suggesting sufisticated drugs such as t-3 and dnp to this guy. those drugs should be part of an experienced bodybuilders' arsenal not someone who does not even have his diet and training down yet.

i suggest to start of with cardio, ketogenic diet, weight training and maybe some ephedra stack.
 
take like 15 pills of xenadrine a day and do some light jogging. and try to eat clean......good luck:FRlol: seriously if you knew something about dieting how did you end up so fat bro. I was 175 and started drinking and eatting a ton when I turned 21 and within a few months I was almost pushing 200lbs. then I said time for my fat ass to get on a diet and so I did but man you really slipped I'd say you could get down to about 180 if you where comitted............just hang in there buddy I know its tough...lol
 
Mr H, It was a very low carb diet. Almost atkins like with all carbs takin in morning. But my protien was in the from of lots of chicken and tuna and egg whites and cottage cheese instead of high fat meats and cheeses. When I came off it I slowly added carbs again and kicked up my cardio but had my meals in 6 small portions a day. Ive also had a personal trainer this whole time who would call me a "punk" or a "bitch' whenever I tried to weisel outta my workout or cardio. Hes like a drill seargeant and knows how to push my buttons the bastard! So that made all the difference. then I started up on clem, xenodrine and tricol which is a t3 though not as strong as cytomel.
 
I agree with Mr H 100K is enough to keep anyone focused....for more info and pictures of folks who made remarkable changes check out their site-Body for life.com Info on what to eat and the best thing you have a cheat day where you eat what you want one day out of the week.inspirational testamonies to keep you moviated. Good Luck Guy!!!! RADAR;)
 
endpoint..... dude chill out:cold: before you self destruct :splat:

You're somewhat new to the board and what goes around here alot is pure "funnin" not insults, just jokes (by the vets anyways). This isn't the Politically Correct Fitness Board.

Anyways, with that out of the way, it is good to see a lot of helpful replies....bodyfat, good luck and I think you should follow Mr.H's advice and get a thorough exam prior to any intense exercise. That goes for anybody really. One never knows.....
 
"That goes for anybody really. One never knows....."
That is so true. My exgirlfriends dad.....had played australian rules football all his life and he is a healthy man.

he went into hospital to visit a friend who had a stroke.
The doctor was trying to prove a point about blood pressure........taking a test from him showing him what a normal reading is. When the doctor took the pressure it was abnormally high.......He was sent straight to a doctor.....his blood pressure is so high he is on medication now.

We all thought he was a healthy fit man.

it was a shock and surprise.

If left untreated he may be dead.
 
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Mr H said:
I'd suggest going to a doctor and getting checked out before deciding on doing anything, including heavy cardio and supplements.

You don't want to play with fire and have a heart attack or anything. This isn't going to happen overnight. I'd say 90% of people who start diets quit then start again then quit again after being discouraged. It's all about breaking the cycle and being able to stay focused. If you want to be able to stay focused sign up for the body for life contest- $100K should be enough to keep anyone focused :D

Change slowly- play basketball, take bike rides, walk, etc. I wouldn't get into doing heavy cardio yet and your body won't allow for it anyways.

Your diet will be the first change. No carbs after a certain hour- I'd say 8 for now just because you are just starting and it's hard to drop carbs totally. Then slowly move down to 6, then 4.

Also, check out the Diet board- lot's of smart people over there who have TONS of diet options that they'd be more than happy to help you with.

As always, drugs should be used by people who are already in great shape and are trying to get over a hump. Not for people thinking they're taking a magical pill that will change them. Newbies should never do any kinds of drugs because they just don't know what dedication and hard training is about yet and those things are what drugs require to be effective.

ditto.

also, education. start picking up fitness mags and men's health mags. they'll teach you alot of w/o and diet basics that you will be able to tweak to your liking.

AS FOR YOUR DIET - MOST IMPORTANT = START SLOWLY. Cut out beer one week. cut out soda the next week or week after - cut out sweets two weeks after that - cut out pizza a few weeks after that - then start timing your meals - first no food after 11 pm. then next week = no food after 10 p.m. - then 2 weeks later no food after 9 pm - and so forth.

hope this helps some bro - keep us informed on your progress.
 
fat camp for you
 
sorry no hope for a fat ass like you........you will quit right ....you chunky guys always do......Go ahead proove me wrong ;Mister Donut..........STOP EATING AND THINKING STEROIDS OR DRUGS ARE THE ANSWER .....THAT IS ANOTHER SIGN OF LAZINESS ON YOUR PART(U ARE USE TO THIS)EAT CLEAN JUST CUT THE CALORIES EVEN THEM OUT IN THE DAY :MOVE ,WALK,GO UP STAIRS ........STOP SAYING :HUMMM THIS CHOCOLATE BAR WONT HURT ITS JUST 1. U GOT FAT AND UGLY OVER TIME """"""LONG TIME TO BE LIKE THAT ,of sitting eating sitting eating.........Now u must do alot of moving dieting moving dieting....................If u got the cash go for liposuction followed by some DNP.....Then get yourself a chick you dont have to pay to to sleep with her.......and become a Non virgin.......Now u will have my respect Chunky! THIS MIGHT BE MEAN BUT IVE HAD FAT ASS CLIENTS LIKE U """""""""I KNOW WHATS IN YOUR BRAIN
 
start workingout bro and diet...keep your head up you'll be fine and dont be in a rush to get in shape....one step at a time is the best way to go.
 
You can do it but ya gotta really want it and have to have taken enough shit from people who are flamin ya to do it. Use the negative stuff they throw at ya as fuel to get fit. I had to do it when I was 35% and had to deal with assholes callin me names too. Now I can just throw it in there faces. You wont believe the power you will feel once you really start seein the results. You just gotta get the ball rollin and keep it rollin. You can do it BF.
 
the biggest mistake overweight people do is skip meals. DONT DO IT. you need to keep your metabolism working hard so eat more meals (5-6) spread throughout the day. eat cleaner food, hit some heavy cardio, and if your interested in drugs, get on the t3 and clen when you feel you can handle it. theres no doubt in my mind that under your fat theres a ripped sob. keep us posted on how its going.
 
Yeah the best advise ive seen here is:

1) Get checked out by yer doc
2) Start slowly making small changes... i.e. walk stairs instead of taking the lift... walk to the shops instead of taking the car etc.
3) Like the guys said, drop eating/drinkings something each week.

I've lost a few pounds of fat over the last few months (mainly thanks to the guys here) and it started by having 6 small meals a day and not eating after 8pm and ensuring my last 2 meals had little or no carbs.

Also used flax which seems to help keep cals up when working out hard... I was overweight and I can see dramatic changes when looking at photos from my last holiday (septembet 2000).

If you make those small adjustments... keep comparing to that photo and youll be suprised... the fast initial fat loss will be an excellent buzz and will give you excellent motivation to carry on

Good luck bro...

STUBS
 
walk absolutely everywhere. walk at a brisk pace and the fat will start to fall off.

if uve been a bit of a couch potato and throw urself into a super duper training routine u probably wont keep to it.

so just change little things, dont buy shit food and walk everywhere u can. get an excercise bike and watch tv while working out if thats ur bag.

good luck old mate
 
remember to not get disappointed if you don't see immediate results....you didn't get fat in six weeks don't expect to get lean that quick either! try to limit your loss to 1-2 pounds a week (your first week you may loose 6-10 pounds , but that is just water from the depletion of carbs. Keep us posted . I also would suggest that you keep a photo diary. new picture every 2 weeks ...progress may be slow , but every 6-10 pound you should be able to see a differance in the phots, to keeep you encouraged.
 
Dude, you just ruined my meal I was eating. Thanks a lot! Lol... Maybe I've come upon the perfect solution. Whenever you get the urge to binge, just look in the mirror and that should kill the appetite fast. Okay, I'm being an asshole. But seriosly, my suggestion would be to primarily pay attention to diet, while you ease into a modified aerobic and anaeobic training regimen. You have a lot of fat to lose and that can be done with the right mindset, the proper strict diet and sound training. I would seriosly take a somewhat drastic approach if I were you and go on a standard ketogenic diet, consuming about 2,000 calories\day max! Throw in 4-5 days of cardio (I usually recommend none or very little cardio, even while dieting, but your case is an exception) at an easy pace initially at about 30-40 minutes. If you're following a ketogenic diet (which means virtually no carbs and an even %of fat and protein, or even 70% fat and 30% protein) then the time of day that you perform cardio will not really matter, since insulin levels as well as blood sugar levels will be low throughout the day, so you'll be burning primarily fat while working out. As far as weight training is concerned, you should workout about 3x per week, say Mon\Wed.\Fri alternating the upper and lower body. Just do several sets per bodypart with as little rest as possible between sets (breathing rate returning to somewhat normal is a good gauge) at a weight that will allow you to get anywhere between 8-15 reps. Again, this is not the type of routine that I follow or even prescribe to most people who ask my advice, but I think this would be most effective and easiest for you to gradually get into a good habit of exercise. I'd also supplemnt with a good ephedrine and aspirin stack to maximize thermogenesis and perhaps even throw in a little T3 at about 25-50mcg.\day after 3-4 weeks just to offset the decline of T3 output which results from pronlonged low carb and low calorie dieting, but this is optional. I believe following these genral guidelines will allow you to progress fairly quickly and lead to signifigant fat loss at a somewhat rapid and steady pace.
 
As far as my last post. I meant supplementing with an ephedrine and caffeine stack, fuck the aspirin. You can also throw in some yohimbe. A good otc fat burner in my opinion which has all these compounds is Biotest's MD-6 or Syntrax Adipokinetix, altough I like the former better. Good luck in your endeavors bro.
 
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