Nelson, radar and steve ur opinions please!

[SSM99]

Stats
32 years old
5'11
91kg/200lb
12% bf


I would really like ur opinions as i have read countless post of u guys and have found all of them to be very informative as u guys normally talk about smaller cycles with less sides.

My query is as a first cycle i am basically wanting to keep things mellow just to see how i react to aas (sides etc) so my options were as follows.

1. A Dbol 20mg/30mg only cycle for 4 weeks

2. Dbol 20mg/30mg 4 weeks, test 250mg a week for 8 weeks.

My pct for either is hcgenerate on cycle, post cycle and unleashed and adex and clomid in case i needed.

I know u guys r extremely busy, your opinions will be appreciated

 

[SSM99]

Bump

 

[Flash421]

You could get some good info from more than those 3 guys, this site is full of great advice and opinions

You might want to broaden your list of people to get advice from those guys are busy some times and aren't always around.

 

[RADAR]

You could get some good info from more than those 3 guys, this site is full of great advice and opinions

You might want to broaden your list of people to get advice from those guys are busy some times and aren't always around.

We're not? Geez i wonder where everyone goes then?

 

[RADAR]

Stats
32 years old
5'11
91kg/200lb
12% bf


I would really like ur opinions as i have read countless post of u guys and have found all of them to be very informative as u guys normally talk about smaller cycles with less sides.

My query is as a first cycle i am basically wanting to keep things mellow just to see how i react to aas (sides etc) so my options were as follows.

1. A Dbol 20mg/30mg only cycle for 4 weeks

2. Dbol 20mg/30mg 4 weeks, test 250mg a week for 8 weeks.

My pct for either is hcgenerate on cycle, post cycle and unleashed and adex and clomid in case i needed.

I know u guys r extremely busy, your opinions will be appreciated

If this is your first cycle
Then i would up the test a bit to 350mgs a Wk, I hope you're using enanthate, or cypionate this will only require less pinning.Sus blends are better but so are the sides,more bloat, more pinning ...etc
Dbol at 30mg for 4 wks is all you need ,Those virgin Receptors will resppond very well at that dosage for both compounds!
Have some Forma on hand for bloat ,(but you may not need it)
If all goes well use the forma for PCT along with Post cycle & unleashed.


Now that you will be in an anabolic state its important to feed those muscles ,you will need at least 2 grams of protein for every lb of bodyweight.

If you want to build muscle and cut fat ,then read this article i wrote

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-build-muscle-loose-fat-then-read-712503.html

 

[SSM99]

You could get some good info from more than those 3 guys, this site is full of great advice and opinions

You might want to broaden your list of people to get advice from those guys are busy some times and aren't always around.

Flash no disrespect was meant to anyone on the site, i know there are ALOT of very experienced guys on here. The main reason i asked for radar and the other boys is i have been on the site for awhile now and i noticed they mainly advocate short or low dose cycles.

 

[Backtobasicks]

We're not? Geez i wonder where everyone goes then?

Hahahahahaha,
Stop disappearing radar!!

 

[RADAR]

Hahahahahaha,
Stop disappearing radar!!

I must not be eating enough,i'm becoming transparent again....(groan)


Actually i'm here on the site watching everyone ,everyday

I only will jump in and make some comments if i feel it's beneficial to that thread!


Especially the ones that have titles like ,"Help I'm hooked on ASS"
Or like "IS ass really that good?"

 

[Flash421]

I only meant if he wanted a response at the time he posted

 

[Colstreamer]

Depends on who's ass really but usually, yeah, it's THAT good!

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm pretty much with RADAR. I like shorter cycles , especially for a first timer. Though I think 20 mgs of dbol is even too much. 10-15 mgs is plenty. If you've been training hard and know what you're doing and have made some gains, then 15 mgs of dbol with 250 mgs of test will seem incredible. I also prefer less androgenic cycles for beginners. 300 mgs of Primo would be milder and easier to recover from.

Hell, Primo and Mast would be virtually non suppressive and very effective. You won't get very big gains though, especially from a short cycle. D-bol is one of those drugs that is very satisfying in that regard. You blow up quickly. (Though lose most of it after cessation of the cycle).

I agree that HCGen while on and UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE once off is the way to go. THough when using orals, some N2GUARD during the cycle would be wise as well. When using dbol you may need more forma. If using Primo and Mast, you won;t need any anti e at all.

Good luck. And enjoy!

 

[SSM99]

Thanks for the input guys. Great info, i have adex but ill take your advice and order some forma as well.

 

[stevesmi]

running dbol at 20-30mg a day for 4 weeks would be a fantastic little cycle. one of my favs is that with 50mg of proviron. your strength will go through the roof and you will get rock hard.

either way stack forma with it during cycle. run unleashed/post cycle as PCT.

if you decide to throw in test then start your hcgenerate weeks 3 on.. if you cannot get hcgenerate then do hcg instead. then bump up the hcg to 1000iu's 2X per week. you can run a low dose clomid if you choose 12-25 mg a day tops.

 

[AAP]

I'm pretty much with RADAR. I like shorter cycles , especially for a first timer. Though I think 20 mgs of dbol is even too much. 10-15 mgs is plenty. If you've been training hard and know what you're doing and have made some gains, then 15 mgs of dbol with 250 mgs of test will seem incredible. I also prefer less androgenic cycles for beginners. 300 mgs of Primo would be milder and easier to recover from.

Hell, Primo and Mast would be virtually non suppressive and very effective. You won't get very big gains though, especially from a short cycle. D-bol is one of those drugs that is very satisfying in that regard. You blow up quickly. (Though lose most of it after cessation of the cycle).

I agree that HCGen while on and UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE once off is the way to go. THough when using orals, some N2GUARD during the cycle would be wise as well. When using dbol you may need more forma. If using Primo and Mast, you won;t need any anti e at all.

Good luck. And enjoy!

Thank you Nelson. People starting off their first cycle with dbol or test are just robbing them of more gains they could make on down the road with future cycle(s).

 

[SSM99]

I'm pretty much with RADAR. I like shorter cycles , especially for a first timer. Though I think 20 mgs of dbol is even too much. 10-15 mgs is plenty. If you've been training hard and know what you're doing and have made some gains, then 15 mgs of dbol with 250 mgs of test will seem incredible. I also prefer less androgenic cycles for beginners. 300 mgs of Primo would be milder and easier to recover from.

Hell, Primo and Mast would be virtually non suppressive and very effective. You won't get very big gains though, especially from a short cycle. D-bol is one of those drugs that is very satisfying in that regard. You blow up quickly. (Though lose most of it after cessation of the cycle).

I agree that HCGen while on and UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE once off is the way to go. THough when using orals, some N2GUARD during the cycle would be wise as well. When using dbol you may need more forma. If using Primo and Mast, you won;t need any anti e at all.

Good luck. And enjoy!

I am limited to what i can get through my source so primo and mast aren't really an option, if u think dbol is overkill do you think i should just go with test on the cycle?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I am limited to what i can get through my source so primo and mast aren't really an option, if u think dbol is overkill do you think i should just go with test on the cycle?

I'm in the minority in that I do not think test is a god first cycle choice of drugs. Hell, the old timers did 10 mgs of d-bol and were amazed at how much more quickly they improved, so I say if it's good enough for them....

 

[flabbyguy]

I'm in the minority in that I do not think test is a god first cycle choice of drugs. Hell, the old timers did 10 mgs of d-bol and were amazed at how much more quickly they improved, so I say if it's good enough for them....

Nelson

If 10 mgs of d-bol is the way to go, would you run forma with that on cycle?

 

[SSM99]

I'm in the minority in that I do not think test is a god first cycle choice of drugs. Hell, the old timers did 10 mgs of d-bol and were amazed at how much more quickly they improved, so I say if it's good enough for them....

I was original going to run a low dose Dbol cycle only and pyramid dose dose slightly. Mainly because being my first cycle i basically want to see how my body reacted to AAS and if i am susceptible to the sides that comes with It. Most say it's a waste and you don't keep much of the gains and it's not cost effective.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I was original going to run a low dose Dbol cycle only and pyramid dose dose slightly. Mainly because being my first cycle i basically want to see how my body reacted to AAS and if i am susceptible to the sides that comes with It. Most say it's a waste and you don't keep much of the gains and it's not cost effective.

I think you have a good idea.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson

If 10 mgs of d-bol is the way to go, would you run forma with that on cycle?

Well, that's light and you may not need it, then again, some people are very susceptable to gyno and dbol is notorious for causing it.