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Needto's Gyno Reversal Program log

Jigga14

Jigga14

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Hi Everyone,

Symptoms: small lump under my right nipple from a Sust 250 cycle a couple years ago.

I have been working with Needtogetaas on a gyno reversal program. I just got back from vacation and all my products are in! So here goes:

Products on Hand: Letro, Prami, Tamox, Forma Stanzol, Americell IGF and Tren NDS

This is week 1, Started dosing last night, Tapering up:
1.25 mg letro ED
.5 mg Prami EOD

Last night had my first dose of letro. Can't feel anything yet. Tonight I will dose both Letro and Prami. Some people like to dose Prami in the morning tho, any input?

Thank you for checking out my log and I will be sure to keep updated.

Cheers
 
Hey NY Juiceman. I've seen you really promote torem lately. I don't really know what it is or how it works, can you provide more details about it?
 
Right on, well I got my supplies for now, If I find that they are not working I may switch to Torem. Right now I'm staying on course with Needto's program. If it works hopefully other people can reference my log and find a cure.
 
Update: Day 3 of my treatment. My lump is less sensitive today, doesn't hurt as bad when i poke it, or if my girlfriend rests her head on it (fkn annoying). But anyway, I will continue my dosages of Letro and Prami until this weekend, then I will start ramping them up.

Cheers.
 
Day 5 now. I don't know if I can handle my current dose of prami. I've taken .5mg twice now and each time I get very nauseous.

Today has been the worst day so far. I feel drained, weak and sick. As of today my doses are as follows:
2.5 mg Letro ED (split morn and night)
.25 Prami at night
I may try upping my dose of prami when my body gets used to it. For now it's just death in a bottle

But the results! No more pain under my nipple. And the ball doesn't feel so round, it feels flatter, smaller and more limber. Progress has begun!
 
Okay so day 6.

Dropped dose of Prami to .25 mg and it definately helped. I didnt have any naseau or lethargy today. I will continue to run my dose of .25 mg Prami and 2.5 mg Letro for a few more days before upping the dose of Prami.

My lump seems to be much flatter now, more like a disc than a ball. It isn't sitting directly under my nipple anymore, it seems to have migrated upwards slightly. Its not painful anymore either which is nice. Hit the gym today and it was better than I was expecting. Lost abit of strength but still pushed hard. I've lost 5 pounds but I was on vacation for 2 weeks before I started this so I think that is to blame. I've been cutting down, eating few carbs and lots of protein and vegetables to rid the fat stores in the gyno. I think it is working as my 6 pack is getting alot more defined.

Thanks for reading and I hope this log is providing insight and inspiration to people. GYNO IS CURABLE! and its easier than you think, just gotta stay strong!
 
Day 8: progress has slowed abit, but the ball tissue under my nipple is still getting smaller. It's probably half the size of when i started!

Now the downside is that my nipple is abit puffy and sticking out abit. Looks worse than when i started. Im hoping that my treatment will eventually cure it.

Sides aren't too bad right now, I'm even getting used to the prami! My joints are abit dry feeling, but not painful. I try to eat alot of healthy oils and omega fats to help stay lubricated.
2.5 mg Leto ED
.3 mg prami ED

Thanks for checking in!
 
Same thing happened to me bro but i know i treated it late because i had the pain for awhile before i knew what to do, letro took the pain away but my nips used to get hard a lot now they are always puffy for the most part. Guess now estro levels will be ok? I'm hopin so
 
Dont give up on the prami man it is a bitch to reign it in with those sides but it can be done. It stuffed my nose up to where I couldnt breathe but I kept going at it and that side effect finally stopped.
 
Okay so quick update here:

Doses are 2.5 mg of Letro ED (1.25 in morning, 1.25 before bed)and .5mg Prami before bed (yes I finally built up my tolerance. Makes me abit groggy in the mornings I think, but the nausea is better)

Changes are minimal since last time. Nipple is still puffy. I'm holding my doses steady until I get the word from Needto. I'm thinking he may add the Tamox in soon as a Type 2 estrogen blocker. (I'm not very good at the science behind this, please fill me in if you know)
So nipple is still very puffed out, like a 13 year old girl, ahaha it looks worse than when I started, but no pain anymore, so at least it feels better.

Thanks for stopping by, feel free to comment!
 
NoFatChicks91 said:
Dont give up on the prami man it is a bitch to reign it in with those sides but it can be done. It stuffed my nose up to where I couldnt breathe but I kept going at it and that side effect finally stopped.
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Thanks for the advice! I'm actually upping the dose, I'm at .5mg every day now which I can finally tolerate!!!

Thanks for stopping by :)
 
Starting to feel the negative sides of the letro and prami. I'm tired, lack motivation, and my body just feels out of wack. Libido is way down and I have little sex drive left. Even my joints are abit sore.

So today I am going to start the Americell Tren NDS & XGF products. Needto instructed me to use these products specifically to deal with the sides I am experiencing. I will be running these products at full dosages, I hope it makes a difference!
 
Yeah, letro sucks man. My joints are on fire when I go to the gym, it makes me feel more depressed i think too. I've been on it for about 2 months. I haven't heard of the products you mentioned man, hopefully they help your sides.

Hopefully letro doesnt kill your lifts either. I have heard so many people say it did. My strength is still making gains, but my workouts get painful because of my joints.

Good luck man
 
Ah, I just looked up the Americell products, and it definately makes sense why he'd have you take those. Jesus, I couldn't even afford that shit at the moment, at least not for a few months. I can handle the sides though, as long as it gets the gyno gone, right?
 
he made u purchase those products because he thinks u are a sucker. They will not assist in your side effects or the removal of your gyno. Good luck man.
 
Okay so into week 3 here. The Americell products have really helped with my gains in the gym and overall well being. I know needto suggested I get them, but just cause he's an owner of the company doesn't mean they aren't awesome products.

Also earlier this week I upped the dose of letro to 3.75 mg ed and added in some tamoxifen at 20 mg a day. Saw results almost immediately!
Gyno is almost gone. I'm gonna hit it aggressively for a couple more weeks and then taper down.

Thanks for stopping in!
 
That is awesome man. I envy you so much haha. Have been trying to fight mine off for months, no success. Great news bro hope it stays under control.
 
Just be prepared that not long after you stop the letro the gyno is very likely to come back if any breast tissue had formed. Breast tissue has a very high concentration of aromatase activity and without an AI this will cause that shrunken breast tissue to become puffy/lumpy again even though right now it might look/feel like it's gone.

Been there. Seen the specialists. Got the t-shirt. Hope you beat it though!
 
If he does is right, tapers off the letro, runs a serm and an AI like forma for a while after, I think he will get it under control.
 
Tapering is key! 4 weeks to taper off Letro using an AI and SERM like Torem, preferred over old school harsh Nolva...and yes using Forma for weeks past taper...mine has been reduced quite a bit, and still dropping bf before I make the conclusion. Good luck guys, needto's program works, and NY has some solid advice as well...between the two of them we have a strong gyno reversal program that can have success for some.

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No drug in the world can remove fibrous breast tissue. Once that forms, surgery is the only option. If you catch gyno in the first few months you can usually nail it but after that, sorry, you can reduce the size somewhat but not remove the fibrous tissue. Even with tapering down and switching to aromasin + serm to prevent rebound. I also tried that, twice. Yea I'll probably be flamed, but I'm just being realistic.
 
My point was involving a scenario where the gyno had already been removed, and rebound was being prevented.

You are right though. I got gyno right at about just. I've been on letro for 2 months. Nothing. No reduction. My gyno is hard pea sized lumps right under the nipple. When it gets warm the lumps go away.

I wonder if even a few months is too late.
 
If you nail it in early stages when its just puffy with a bit of soft fatty tissue, or if the lumps are still just forming then Nate's program will work probably 9/10 times. Hey its always worth a shot anyway even if it just reduces it somewhat.

I have the same thing with 2 small lumps that go away when its warm but then get a bit puffy. Fcuking sucks but luckily it's not really noticeable to the average person.

Jigga all the best with your gyno reversal attempt dude. Hope you had more luck than me.
 
Thanks for the support guys! and I definately agree with the tapering. I have forma and aromasin on hand. Also I'll probably get torem for future use.

In regards to those who have been using letro for months without success, I would be careful where you order from. In my experience Chemical Need and Great White Peptides have been phenominal. I haven't ordered anywhere else. Looking at Midevilironsmashers "letro prami log," he used letro and prami from various sources with little immediate success. Once he tried CN, he saw at least some results.
So once again, watch out where you order products from.

Thanks for stopping in.
 
Update:

Gyno has gotten smaller this week. I'm ready to squash it once and for all. I'm increasing my doses for about 10 days and then i will begin my taper down.

Letro: 5 mg half in morn Half at night
Prami: .5 mg every night :(
Tamoxifen: 40 mg half in morn, half at night (stuff tastes like shit)

Americell products have really been working tho. Completely curbed my side effects. I feel great, making gains at the gym, and banged my girlfriend ffor the first time in 2 weeks!

Anyway, looks like the hardest part is yet to come.

Stay strong my friends.
 
That is great to hear! I am glad someone is having success! Congrats man. I think you have the worst part out of the way!

Taper that shit right, use forma. I wish you the best of luck.

Way to go on getting prami .5 every night. That's a tough journey. I bumped mine up to 1 mg. It hasnt seemed like it made a difference with my gyno but idk.
 
NoFatChicks91 said:
That is great to hear! I am glad someone is having success! Congrats man. I think you have the worst part out of the way!

Taper that shit right, use forma. I wish you the best of luck.

Way to go on getting prami .5 every night. That's a tough journey. I bumped mine up to 1 mg. It hasnt seemed like it made a difference with my gyno but idk.
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Prami at 1 mg? Holy! Wouldn't that be overkill?? i remember accidentally doing .75 one morning (I got it mixed up with my letro) and I had the worst day of my life.

I believe my gyno stems from estrogen levels from after a sustanon 250 cycle a while back (no pct). Couple months after last pin my right nip started itching and a little ball developed under it. Wish I caught it then.

Anyway good luck. Let me know if 1 mg of Prami does anything for ya!
 
Okay so I've been on 5 mg of letro, 40 mg of Tamox, and .5 mg of Prami for the last 2 days. Definately feel some side effects, but its not too bad. The gland under my nipple feels soft like a raisin, but seems to go deep into my pec like a strand of gland haha (sorry its really late here and I'm tired)

I'll keep dosages high til next week, and then slowly taper. I'll finish my taper with forma. Hopefully this thing can get zapped over the next week. Might order some torem too, see what happens.

Thanks for stopping in!
 
I don't get any nasty nausea side effects with prami but it makes me drowzy as hell. Stuffy nose isnt a problem anymore. Idk I think my nipples aren't leaking fluid if I squeeze them since I bumped the dose up. I dont want to squeeze them again to find out though lol. It'd be an almost invisible amount of liquid but it's there.

Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to get that torem at least to have it on hand.

I'm still doin letro, torem, prami. I feel like the lumps may actually be getting smaller. Maybe only like 1/10 smaller but if thats the case its great. It might just be in my head.

Good luck brotha
 
Hey bro, what did you think of Tren NDS? I know you said you noticed improvement in letro symptoms, but gains? Drive? Tren NDS has DHEA in it I see. I'm thinking of running some dermacrine. Not the same as NDS but I figure it would offer similar benefits. It's more affordable for me
 
I love the Tren NDS. Its honestly one of the best OTC supplements I've ever used. I stopped using for the weekend as I was taking some rest days (and the recommended dosage is 5 on 2 off), and as soon as i stopped taking it I started getting bad sides from the letro and tamox (mostly just lethargy, slight joint pain, and depression). I am also taking 5 mg of letro and 40 mg of tamox every day, so its a pretty heavy dose.

Anyway I started back up on Tren NDS yesterday and today I'm feeling like a million bux.
Gains in the gym: I've become alot leaner (probably due to lack of e), but I haven't lost any weight. My lifts are going up somewhat, really training hard in the gym. The XGF product is decent, i think its helping with some of the fat loss, my abs are popping better then ever before. But the TREN NDS, now that stuff is the goods! If i order again I will probably just order the tren. Order my IGF-1 and GHRP's from Great White Peptides.
 
Thanks for the input my brotha! Sounds like a good product. I heard that DHEA also raises IGF levels. Since Tren has DHEA in it I wonder if it'd be enough.
 
Try it out and see. Thing with Tren is that it has ALOT of compounds in it that work synergistically. It was a well developed product. Check out ntbm too, their unleashed, hcgenerate and Daa might interest you. Daa is pretty cheap, i'm gonna run it after my next cycle
 
Okay do this is the fourth week. The shrinking seemed to slow down over the last week. I then realized the other day that the liquid solution my letro and prami are in kinda settles to the bottom, like the active ingredient is on the bottom. So I started shaking them vigorously and over the last 2 days the little raisin sizes gland is starting to deteriorate again. Puffy nip Is getting better too!
 
Awesome!!!! I been away for a bit but I am getting to my pm's now and ready to kill some shit. Glad to see it is going good for you man.
 
Okay so update: Progress has been slow this week. The gland is so small that I barely notice its there, but it doesn't seem to want to go away. This may be as far as I go. I'm starting to taper down slowly as I want to start my next cycle in October.
Doing: 3.75 mg letro ED
30 mg Tamox ED
.4 mg Prami ED

I 'm gonna taper the letro down first and hold the tamox there for abit. I have torem otw, might replace the tamox with that. Also forma and armidex on had. Any input on tapering and post program therapy welcome.

and once again, thanks for stopping in.
 
So I'm tapering down to 2.5 mg letro as of today. Keeping the tamox at 30 mg and the Prami at .4 mg

Its really nice to start getting off this stuff. It was starting to dry my joints. Last weekend i could hear my knee joints when I walked. I immediately upped my dose of fish oils, olive oil and omega oil (a flaxseed, grapeseed and olive oil blend) and they started getting better. Every morning and night I take a teaspoon full of the omega oil with my meal. I don't ingest the oils near my workout times tho, not a good idea.

Thanks for stopping in.
 
Jigga14 said:
So I'm tapering down to 2.5 mg letro as of today. Keeping the tamox at 30 mg and the Prami at .4 mg

Its really nice to start getting off this stuff. It was starting to dry my joints. Last weekend i could hear my knee joints when I walked. I immediately upped my dose of fish oils, olive oil and omega oil (a flaxseed, grapeseed and olive oil blend) and they started getting better. Every morning and night I take a teaspoon full of the omega oil with my meal. I don't ingest the oils near my workout times tho, not a good idea.

Thanks for stopping in.
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good to see the oils and joint aids are working good fro you man
 
Thanks for stopping in Needto, always love the support.

Okay so i'm am tapering down. Tapered down to 2.5 mg letro and then added forma 5 pumps am, 5 pumps pm. I am now tapering the letro down to 1.25 mg. Current dosages are:
Letro 1.25 mg ED
Tamox 30 mg ED
Prami 5 mg EOD
Forma 10 pumps/ day

I feel my gyno is in complete remission. It stopped shrinking and feels like a little raisin sized gland. I think thats as good as I can get with a short term application of this program. If I ran 5 mg of letro ED for 6 months I might of been completely cured, but I doubt it. My view is that gyno can be reduced to almost non-existent symptoms, but removal of the gland that has formed takes surgery. I am happy with my progress. My gyno is not noticeable and does not bother me anymore.

I hope anyone following has benefited from my log. Feel free to ask any questions about my experiences. I am planning on slowly tapering this month and then starting my next cycle of Beastdrol/ Test E in exactly 1 month.

Thanks for stopping in.

Jigga.
 
Jigga you really should be off the letro for at least a month before you start another cycle. You have non existent estrogen levels at the moment so you can't accurately guage how the gland will react to normal estrogen levels when off everything and if puffiness will come back. The gland has a VERY high aromatase concentration and unless it is really tiny, it won't take much to get puffy nipples again.

I'm not just guessing here. I have years of experience with battling gyno lumps bro and have seen a very good doc.

I had the same great results as you from letro (legit letro), tapered down, used a serm, but the lump got bigger again when I had my normal hormones back in full swing. So don't just jump back on cycle unless you know for sure and start adex/aromasin from day 1 when you are back on.
 
Muscleaddict said:
Jigga you really should be off the letro for at least a month before you start another cycle. You have non existent estrogen levels at the moment so you can't accurately guage how the gland will react to normal estrogen levels when off everything and if puffiness will come back. The gland has a VERY high aromatase concentration and unless it is really tiny, it won't take much to get puffy nipples again.

I'm not just guessing here. I have years of experience with battling gyno lumps bro and have seen a very good doc.

I had the same great results as you from letro (legit letro), tapered down, used a serm, but the lump got bigger again when I had my normal hormones back in full swing. So don't just jump back on cycle unless you know for sure and start adex/aromasin from day 1 when you are back on.
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So what was your outcome with your gyno?
 
Thanks for the support guys!!!

Chris- it wasn't noticeable, just a painful lump under my nipple

Johnson: I reduced the size of the lump by about 90%. Since I started applying the forma it got even smaller, and deeper down inside my pec now rather than right under the nipple. It feels like a small gland, and I doubt it can get any smaller except with surgery.

Muscle addict: thanks for the advice, I was contemplating waiting longer it's just so tempting to jump back on. Ur right tho and I should allow more time for my normal hormones to balance. I'll wait a few extra weeks, maybe a week after the forma runs out. I have both adex and aromasin for next cycle, not sure Which one to use yet, but yes will start from day 1.
 
NoFatChicks91 said:
Jigga I'm thinking about forma stanzol and adex from day one. What do you think?
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If your using letro and a serm there is no need for them. Letro will kill 98% of estrogen in the body. After that adex and forma will be useless cause there is virtually no estrogen left.

Now add torem to your letro. Torem (or tamoxifen) prevents estrogen from binding from the receptors. Now Ur killing it from both angles.

When u get off Letro then u want adex and forma to suppress estrogen because Ur body might go into overdrive and produce too much and/ or your estrogen receptors might be over active and sensitive. Both would lead to a gyno rebound- not good.
 
Oh I'm sorry lol I meant on your next cycle to prevent gyno flare ups bro. I was thinking adex instead of aromasin, running adex along with forma since it's a suicidal AI to prevent that lump from coming back

I'm about to start tapering off of my gyno reversal. I'm still doing letro prami and torem. Once October rolls around I'm gonna taper down and run forma.
 
First post here on Elite Fitness!

I myself have asked needto for his gyno help after I got it a few months ago. I've got all the products on hand that he asked me to get and I'm starting to dose them as of now. However in his guide he's wrote ''1 cap 3 times a day bridge'', I haven't got any capsules to take and I don't understand the 'bridge' part. I thought I'd ask in this thread if anyone had any ideas what he might mean. Thought I'd ask here in case jigga or anyone knows and can tell me as needto is busy and can take a while to reply to PM's.

Alibonyad
 
Alibonyad said:
First post here on Elite Fitness!

I myself have asked needto for his gyno help after I got it a few months ago. I've got all the products on hand that he asked me to get and I'm starting to dose them as of now. However in his guide he's wrote ''1 cap 3 times a day bridge'', I haven't got any capsules to take and I don't understand the 'bridge' part. I thought I'd ask in this thread if anyone had any ideas what he might mean. Thought I'd ask here in case jigga or anyone knows and can tell me as needto is busy and can take a while to reply to PM's.

Alibonyad
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Do not worry about not having the bridge bro. I have experimented with many different "supporting" products for this program. The supporting products are products I add to the program to help prevent the shitty feeling many get from the first month or so of harsh drugs... Through my research I have found the best supporting supplement for the program is phytoserm-347 so this is what I will be sticking with..
 
Muscleaddict said:
So jigga, how's your gyno now?
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Gyno is gone! Just started a new cycle and im taking extra precautions to make sure it doesn't come back. I used forma stanzol for a month after my therapy to prevent any rebound. I definitely recommend needto's program to anyone suffering from gyno.
 
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So jigga, how's your gyno now?
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Gyno is gone! Just started a new cycle and im taking extra precautions to make sure it doesn't come back. I used forma stanzol for a month after my therapy to prevent any rebound. I definitely recommend needto's program to anyone suffering from gyno.
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Wow, well done that is awesome! Maybe I should give it another shot with letro at a higher dose.

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I completed 50 days of letro which involved tapering up and down. This reduced the size of my gyno lump under my left nipple but definitely at a cost, and im not talking money. Sex drive was non existent and my joints use to ache continuously. Iwas happy to finish the course even though the lump wasnt completely gone and because i was on a waiting list for surgery. I had the gyno lump removed 3 months a go, i havent touched any steroids for 2 years and now even after gyno surgery the lump is back to a similar size to before i started letro. im wanting to cycle now but due to the current lump i need to rectify this first. Through research it seems a more efficient way of tackling this issue is to run aromasin and raloxifene which doesnt leave you with any negative side effects. Any info would be apreciated
 
seems like you have killed the gyno bro! good job
I can't wait to start the program with needto. waiting for his reply now.
remove the dam puffy nipple
 
bearxbear said:
seems like you have killed the gyno bro! good job
I can't wait to start the program with needto. waiting for his reply now.
remove the dam puffy nipple
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Good luck bro. Shoot me a pm if you have any questions. Listen to needto he's the expert tho.
 
Would running something like NTBM's Bridge during the letro be worthwhile? Or would it counteract the letro's killing of estrogen? What do you guys think? I'm just afraid of losing muscle mass while on letro and thinking of running something like bridge to help me keep my gains & feeling like I'm ON. Let me know what you guys think of running Bridge with the letro.
 
I would definitely run something like hcgenerate or bridge while on letro. It will help with mood as well as muscle gains.
 
Do I need to do Nolvadex or Anastrozole while on a cycle consisting of: 200mg Test cyp EOD, 50mg Test Propionate/50mg Drostanolone Propionate/50mg Tren Acetate EOD, 50mg Anadrol ED?
 
I'm on day 7 of letro. Tapered up to 2.5mg. (.5 to 1 to 1.5 to 2 to 2.5) I've been at the full dose of 2.5mg for 3 days now. Just wondering, at what point should I start noticing the gyno lump get smaller?
 
Tjcpt said:
Do I need to do Nolvadex or Anastrozole while on a cycle consisting of: 200mg Test cyp EOD, 50mg Test Propionate/50mg Drostanolone Propionate/50mg Tren Acetate EOD, 50mg Anadrol ED?
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Umm no. Do some research. No Nolva with 19 nors. U will need some prolactin control and an anti e
 
Raff said:
I'm on day 7 of letro. Tapered up to 2.5mg. (.5 to 1 to 1.5 to 2 to 2.5) I've been at the full dose of 2.5mg for 3 days now. Just wondering, at what point should I start noticing the gyno lump get smaller?
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The lump will start to get less sensitive and possibly smaller after 1 week of letro. If not maybe ur letro is underdosed. Up to 5 mg and maybe add prami/ caber and Nolva to speed things up
 
Jigga14 said:
The lump will start to get less sensitive and possibly smaller after 1 week of letro. If not maybe ur letro is underdosed. Up to 5 mg and maybe add prami/ caber and Nolva to speed things up
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Awesome, thank you.
When you say 1 week, do you mean 1 week at 2.5mg dose or 1 week including the whole tapering up part, cuz I've already been on it 1 week exactly and all I can say is it's slightly less sore to the touch.
 
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