NEED2.... biggest mistakes info

[JBEXT81]

Hey Need2,

I've seen a lot of people doing the "bro-ology" on various boards and see a lot of flaming going on and lots of confusion about a lot of things.

When u get the time (i know how busy you are) could you please tell us the top 10 biggest mistakes/mis-understandings that people make when using AAS. This could be anything to first cycle recommendations, to combining different AAS or anything else that just really bugs you or that you see is a striaght out false recommendation.

If you could also post why these are the biggest mistakes/understandings. I say top 10 but feel free to do top 13 or 30 !!!

Thought I'd PM this to you but others might want to know as well

Thanks man

 

[bobby716]

thinking AAS > diet

 

[JBEXT81]

yes very true and 100% agree!

i'm thinking AAS specific like clomid for PCT only or saying not to mix these two AAS together, or an all oral only cycle (ie: dbol or winny or anavar)... things like this

 

[gymjunkie09]

yes very true and 100% agree!

i'm thinking AAS specific like clomid for PCT only or saying not to mix these two AAS together, or an all oral only cycle (ie: dbol or winny or anavar)... things like this

a small dose of Clomid combined with pct/unleashed, and hcgenerate is good to go

 

[lartinos]

1)People who think nolva is sufficient to run on cycle for estrogen control.
2)That running an oral only cycle will yield no results
3)People who run oral only cycles only out of fear of needles
4)Misuse of clen and T3
5)Having no knowledge of an ester and how it can effect your cycle
6)Stacking too much for a first cycle instead running test alone
7)Not being aware of the dangers of DHT in large amounts for some or by completely eliminating it for others. (Hairloss for some and Gyno for others)
8) Not running a proper post cycle and no knowledge of on and post cycle supplements
9)Incorrect doseage layout. Staggering up and then down for test for example.
10)No knowledge of progestins and how they can negatively effect you on cycle.

 

[JBEXT81]

LARTINOS - can u elaborate on #'s 4, 5, 7, and 10 please

 

[shibs]

buying their cycle and one week before asking what pct they should get.. this always irks me

 

[stevesmi]

your title of biggest mistakes and then bro-ology are too different questions.

right off the bat i will say biggest mistakes are I think AAS users make:

running too long a cycle, and not giving the body a break in between. not knowing what PCT is or understanding that PCT is an individual thing that needs to be conformed to each situation uniquely. running too large of a cycle (just a waste of money)... run 3 separate cycles using the same juice, instead of just using it all on 1 cycle. using tren and deca when they are prone to gyno and not using cabaser. not understanding that not all test is the same. if you run prop and deca cycle you will have a problem towards the end since deca esthers take 3-5 weeks to leave and prop takes days.

 

[RADAR]

not doing the proper research,i had a noobie that did 2,500mgs of test (THe Whole bottle) thinking that was one dose of 250mg! man! he must have bought a shitload for that cycle! lol!

 

[JBEXT81]

Holy shit, that is crazy!! A whole f'in bottle - wonder what his cholesterol was!!

 

[jmat2407]

not doing the proper research,i had a noobie that did 2,500mgs of test (THe Whole bottle) thinking that was one dose of 250mg! man! he must have bought a shitload for that cycle! lol!

I gotta call BS on this story. I refuse to believe someone from my same species could be so dumb.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I don;t now if they're the worst, or the most common, but the main mistakes that a LOT of guys make are...

#10: Not taking in enough protein

#9: Using steroids in the hope of burning fat.

#8: Mixing too many compounds.

#7: Using orals over 25 mgs a day.

#6: Not training hard enough.

#5: Not training enough.

#4: Not using the necessary precautions to guard health while on. (N2Guard is a life saver in this department).

#3: Cutting carbs then thinking oatmeal is a great food. Both wrong, and both contradicting each other.

#2: Using Nolvadex when you don't need it.

#1: Using a drug to combat the problem of taking too many other drugs.

 

[jmat2407]

#7: Using orals over 25 mgs a day.

I have to disagree with #7.

There is no way in hell I'd even bother taking a steroid such as var at 25 mgs or less a day.

 

[RADAR]

I gotta call BS on this story. I refuse to believe someone from my same species could be so dumb.

It was posted on the forums bro... everyone thought it was a joke ,fortunately i was there to help and everything turned out fine.


then there was this GF than wanted to make her BFs di*k better by injecting synthol..................the list goes on.

 

[RADAR]

I have to disagree with #7.

There is no way in hell I'd even bother taking a steroid such as var at 25 mgs or less a day.

maybe var was more potent back in the 70's but i have gotten good results off of var at 20mg a day!

 

[JBEXT81]

She wanted to put synthol in his dick????!!!!! Omg - this girl im dating now, we both agreed to get tested for everything and when the doctor did the gonorrhea check on me (by sticking a qtip up my shaft) i thought i was gonna die!!! I couldn't imagine something like synthol - omg!!!!

WE BOTH TURNED OUT TO BE CLEAN BTW - PARTY ON BABY!!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

I have to disagree with #7.

There is no way in hell I'd even bother taking a steroid such as var at 25 mgs or less a day.

That's what makes var a shitty steroid. 50 mgs of var still as toxic as 50 mgs of dbol and it sure as hell isn't as effective.

 

[DJ_UFO]

I have to disagree with #7.

There is no way in hell I'd even bother taking a steroid such as var at 25 mgs or less a day.

Arnold did it with dbol under 25mg a day bro

 

[DJ_UFO]

I'm going to elaborate on number #10 listed by Nelson, which is more complex than it sounds, and usually people don't get it. Even experienced users make the same mistake. People plan their cycle, and diet at the same time. Perfect. Everything is on track. Ready to start bulking up. They start the cycle, they eat like a horse, they gain great muscle, but when the cycle is over, they stop "the ON diet". That is a huge mistake. People don't understand that muscle, is not normal. The body is designed to naturally carry a little amount of muscle. Just necessary for daily tasks, run, hunt, jump, etc. Extra muscle, the body will fight to burn it off. Because extra muscle means more nutrients wasted to unnecessarily keep it.

The only way to help the body keep the muscle while off steroids, is to consume large amounts of good quality protein like GEAR or BIG BLAST. Otherwise, you will lose it. Once you increase calories to gain muscle, that amount of food must stay the same forever in your life to keep that amount of muscle weight. If not, it will be burned. Simple science. It is true that coming off, you need to modify the diet, because while off steroids, the body will not process fats and carbohydrates as efficiently as it did on cycle. However, that's the reason why protein must stay high or even higher, and even like that, some muscle will be sacrificed anyways. The natural endocrine system of a human, is not designed to sustain that body composition.

It is a tough lifestyle but that's the way to go if you're gonna be cycling on and off. The other option is to never come off, if you are doing it as a career. You cycle, then go low to high HRT doses, then cycle again and so on.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm going to elaborate on number #10 listed by Nelson, which is more complex than it sounds, and usually people don't get it. Even experienced users make the same mistake. People plan their cycle, and diet at the same time. Perfect. Everything is on track. Ready to start bulking up. They start the cycle, they eat like a horse, they gain great muscle, but when the cycle is over, they stop "the ON diet". That is a huge mistake. People don't understand that muscle, is not normal. The body is designed to naturally carry a little amount of muscle. Just necessary for daily tasks, run, hunt, jump, etc. Extra muscle, the body will fight to burn it off. Because extra muscle means more nutrients wasted to unnecessarily keep it.

The only way to help the body keep the muscle while off steroids, is to consume large amounts of good quality protein like GEAR or BIG BLAST. Otherwise, you will lose it. Once you increase calories to gain muscle, that amount of food must stay the same forever in your life to keep that amount of muscle weight. If not, it will be burned. Simple science. It is true that coming off, you need to modify the diet, because while off steroids, the body will not process fats and carbohydrates as efficiently as it did on cycle. However, that's the reason why protein must stay high or even higher, and even like that, some muscle will be sacrificed anyways. The natural endocrine system of a human, is not designed to sustain that body composition.

It is a tough lifestyle but that's the way to go if you're gonna be cycling on and off. The other option is to never come off, if you are doing it as a career. You cycle, then go low to high HRT doses, then cycle again and so on.

Good points bro.

 

[balancefighter]

I'm going to elaborate on number #10 listed by Nelson, which is more complex than it sounds, and usually people don't get it. Even experienced users make the same mistake. People plan their cycle, and diet at the same time. Perfect. Everything is on track. Ready to start bulking up. They start the cycle, they eat like a horse, they gain great muscle, but when the cycle is over, they stop "the ON diet". That is a huge mistake. People don't understand that muscle, is not normal. The body is designed to naturally carry a little amount of muscle. Just necessary for daily tasks, run, hunt, jump, etc. Extra muscle, the body will fight to burn it off. Because extra muscle means more nutrients wasted to unnecessarily keep it.

The only way to help the body keep the muscle while off steroids, is to consume large amounts of good quality protein like GEAR or BIG BLAST. Otherwise, you will lose it. Once you increase calories to gain muscle, that amount of food must stay the same forever in your life to keep that amount of muscle weight. If not, it will be burned. Simple science. It is true that coming off, you need to modify the diet, because while off steroids, the body will not process fats and carbohydrates as efficiently as it did on cycle. However, that's the reason why protein must stay high or even higher, and even like that, some muscle will be sacrificed anyways. The natural endocrine system of a human, is not designed to sustain that body composition.

It is a tough lifestyle but that's the way to go if you're gonna be cycling on and off. The other option is to never come off, if you are doing it as a career. You cycle, then go low to high HRT doses, then cycle again and so on.

Great info brother! This holds very true also. For most its a mindset thing and its so much easier to get geared up and keep your diet in check when on then slip once your off. I strugled with this when my last cycle was over.

 

[jmat2407]

That's what makes var a shitty steroid. 50 mgs of var still as toxic as 50 mgs of dbol and it sure as hell isn't as effective.

Are you kidding me?

Var is NOT a shitty steroid. Please don't state your opinion as a fact.

And WHY would you compare it to dbol? Thats apples to oranges as users have two completely different goals when taking each one.

Thats like comparing test to tren. Two totally different animals.

And if you going to say things like var is as toxic as dbol you better throw up some facts to back yourself because I will sure post toxicology reports stating otherwise.

 

[stevesmi]

3) over doing protein: guys get on roids and think they need to eat 600 grams of protein a day, and that the body can synthesize endless amounts, e.g wen guys tell me they eat 2 whole chickens for lunch coz there juicing.......................

^^this. or the guys who drink nothing but whey powder all day and then tell me they get 300g of protein. those are usually the guys who have those skinny undeveloped chest. as if life was that simple where you could buy a $50 jug and just drink that all day and not eat real food.

i would rather get 100g of protein from whole food sources then get 500g from whey powder.

 

[stevesmi]

3) over doing protein: guys get on roids and think they need to eat 600 grams of protein a day, and that the body can synthesize endless amounts, e.g wen guys tell me they eat 2 whole chickens for lunch coz there juicing.......................

^^this. or the guys who drink nothing but whey powder all day and then tell me they get 300g of protein. those are usually the guys who have those skinny undeveloped chest. as if life was that simple where you could buy a $50 jug and just drink that all day and not eat real food.

i would rather get 100g of protein from whole food sources then get 500g from whey powder.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Are you kidding me?

Var is NOT a shitty steroid. Please don't state your opinion as a fact.
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I SAID WHAT I SAID. THAT"S AN OPINION. JUST LIKE YOURS.

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And WHY would you compare it to dbol? Thats apples to oranges as users have two completely different goals when taking each one.

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BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH TISSUE BUILDING DRUGS, BUT ONE DOES IT BETTER THAN THE OTHER.


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Thats like comparing test to tren. Two totally different animals.

And if you going to say things like var is as toxic as dbol you better throw up some facts to back yourself because I will sure post toxicology reports stating otherwise.

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BOTH ARE 17 ALPHA ALKYLATED, WHICH CAUSES STRESS TO THE LIVER. FEEL FREE TO POST TOXICOLOGY REPORTS TO THE CONTRARY.

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[jmat2407]

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Again you post zero facts or even a single study..

From research conducted by Michael Mooney that this is particularly well noted with HIV patients who have been using Oxandrin, another brand name for oxandrolone Anavar is much less liver toxic than other 17-alpha alkylated steroids, probably because it is primarily metabolized outside of the liver, when metabolized, and much of it is excreted unchanged. At higher doses it can increase liver enzyme values, there seems to be no evidence that any cytotoxicity exists, as is the case with other 17-alpha alkylated steroids.


Anavar is also a 17alpha alkylated oral steroid, carrying an alteration that will put stress on the liver. It is important to point out however that dispite this alteration oxandrolone is generally very well tolerated. While liver enzyme tests will occasionally show elevated values, actual damage due to this steroid is not usually a problem. Bio-Technology General states that oxandrolone is not as extensively metabolized by the liver as other l7aa orals are; evidenced by the fact that nearly a third of the compound is still intact when excreted in the urine. This may have to do with the understood milder nature of this agent (compared to other l7aa orals) in terms of hepatotoxicity. One study comparing the effects of oxandrolone to other agents including as methyltestosterone, norethandrolone, fluoxymesterone and methAndriol clearly supports this notion. Here it was demonstrated that oxandrolone causes the lowest sulfobromophthalein (BSP; a marker of liver stress) retention among all the alkylated orals tested. 20mg of oxandrolone in fact produced 72% less BSP retention than an equal dosage of fluoxyrnesterone, which is a considerable difference being that they possess the same liver-toxic alteration. With such findings, combined with the fact that athletes rarely report trouble with this drug, most feel comfortable believing it to be much safer to use during longer cycles than most of other orals with this distinction. Although this may very well be true, the chance of liver damage still cannot be excluded, especially with hogher dosages.

And to say you compared var to dbol because their both tissue building drugs, some people have more use for a steroid than building pure muscle mass quit being so closed minded.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Again you post zero facts or even a single study..

From research conducted by Michael Mooney that this is particularly well noted with HIV patients who have been using Oxandrin, another brand name for oxandrolone Anavar is much less liver toxic than other 17-alpha alkylated steroids, probably because it is primarily metabolized outside of the liver, when metabolized, and much of it is excreted unchanged. At higher doses it can increase liver enzyme values, there seems to be no evidence that any cytotoxicity exists, as is the case with other 17-alpha alkylated steroids.


Anavar is also a 17alpha alkylated oral steroid, carrying an alteration that will put stress on the liver. It is important to point out however that dispite this alteration oxandrolone is generally very well tolerated. While liver enzyme tests will occasionally show elevated values, actual damage due to this steroid is not usually a problem. Bio-Technology General states that oxandrolone is not as extensively metabolized by the liver as other l7aa orals are; evidenced by the fact that nearly a third of the compound is still intact when excreted in the urine. This may have to do with the understood milder nature of this agent (compared to other l7aa orals) in terms of hepatotoxicity. One study comparing the effects of oxandrolone to other agents including as methyltestosterone, norethandrolone, fluoxymesterone and methAndriol clearly supports this notion. Here it was demonstrated that oxandrolone causes the lowest sulfobromophthalein (BSP; a marker of liver stress) retention among all the alkylated orals tested. 20mg of oxandrolone in fact produced 72% less BSP retention than an equal dosage of fluoxyrnesterone, which is a considerable difference being that they possess the same liver-toxic alteration. With such findings, combined with the fact that athletes rarely report trouble with this drug, most feel comfortable believing it to be much safer to use during longer cycles than most of other orals with this distinction. Although this may very well be true, the chance of liver damage still cannot be excluded, especially with hogher dosages.

And to say you compared var to dbol because their both tissue building drugs, some people have more use for a steroid than building pure muscle mass quit being so closed minded.

Dude, number one -- get off your high horse. Knock out the "you post zero facts" bullshit. Stop the insults, the close minded" accusations, games and all such crap. Right now. I've been at this a long time -- I'm sure, longer than you. I'm published in the field. I don't just cut and paste studies. I write them. I'm not saying that to stick it in your face, but don't try to get confrontational with me, alright? Good.

Okay, now pay attention.

Are you aware of the dosage of var for aids patients? It's 2.5-10 mgs a day. Yeah, at that dosage it ain;t too toxic.

And as far as it being less toxic than halo, well guess what-- EVERYTHING IS. Halo is THE MOST toxic steroid.

It can be debated that var is a LITTLE less toxic than other steroids, but you're just whistling in the dark if you think it's side effect free at 50+ dosages a day. That's all I'm saying.

 

[jmat2407]

It can be debated that var is a LITTLE less toxic than other steroids, but you're just whistling in the dark if you think it's side effect free at 50+ dosages a day. That's all I'm saying.

No one said it was 100% side effect free at higher dose. Your exact works were 50mg var= just as toxic as 50mg dbol. Which is NOT true. Theres nothing to argue there all I was wanting you to do was admit you got carried away with making that claim.

 

[Nelson Montana]

No one said it was 100% side effect free at higher dose. Your exact works were 50mg var= just as toxic as 50mg dbol. Which is NOT true. Theres nothing to argue there all I was wanting you to do was admit you got carried away with making that claim.

The difference is nominal. Even if the drug itself is less toxic, the 17 AA is what does most of the damage. That's why liver "cleansers" are of little help and you should include picoliv in the PCT stage when using orals. 17 AA essentially shuts the liver down so it does not break down and filter what it's intended to do. And again, over the course of a couple of weeks, it's not bad. But after 2 months or so of 50 mgs a day, arguing the difference is like arguing whether vodka or bourbon is more liver toxic. It's all bad bro.