Need some seriuos help high "E"

[maxxmill17]

42 yrs old....test;winny through 20's; 30's test on and off ; then late 30's to present trt 120-160 mgs no growth as my igf1 is consistantly 280-300 area..

I had been doing well past couple years some gyno would flair up i would just lower dose cut carbs to 1 a day (oatmeal) and seemed to be fine.

Now back in Jan. 2011 I had bumped test to my limit og 80 mgs 2x per week..but also started eating 1 1/2 cups oatmeal with strawberries and bananas at night..developed swollen nipps and ed...fiigured ok cut carbs back to oatmeal in morning and reduse test back to 120mgs...
No luck.
TRT dr.took blood test 900 aera E was 38 he said your fine go home!!..b.s. I said gyno ed so he put me on adex .25 eod ...I did great for 2 week then joints started killing me!! Real bad..

Stopped adex 2 weeks . took blood E jumped to 68 test 700 . then tried .25 again joints again! then tried asin felt like hell and some joint pain..but at same time I lost 10 lbs 188 to 178..

My questions;
1. will e "fix it's self I I just lower test
2.small dose of AI can really drop 10 pounds in 1 monts?
3. could nolva d ome any good

thank you all for your time I am in a state of dispair or is it disrepair

 

[Zyglamail]

Whats your bodyfat at? Most folks with strogen problems are carrying a lot of extra fat. They also consume a lot of grains (oatmeal included).

 

[maxxmill17]

i was a lean 188 prob got to 192 when i was eating the oatmeal at night..now 178 shredded viens in abs and all over...but oatmeal is my carb!! and has been that could be a problem? my diet is repaticiuos(bad spelling) i eat the same things constantly some times egg whites 3x per day oatmeal 1/2 cup 3x per day

 

[maxxmill17]

what about adex anybody else get joint pain?
and nolva any use for me? doesnt lower e does it

 

[Zyglamail]

Nolva does not lower E, it competes with E at the receptor so it can stop some of E's effects it doesnt do anything in regards to lowering it. Nolva also has effects on some pathways in the brain and has been used for folks with bipolar disoirder etc. I would opt for more natural substances if you can (see below).

There are a ton of things that can increase estrogen in males. sounds like fat isnt a problem in your case though.

Poor gut health can cause problems so I would recommend a good probiotic. Grains are a big contributor to poor gut health. Another thing you could try is DIM (Diindolylmethane), Caclium D-glucarate and green tea extract. All of these items help by working on the actions that create estrogen.

 

[Stryker1992]

I would get E-control from Ironmag labs, HCGenerate from needtobuildmuscle.com and forma stanzol.

All of these products will help control estrogen issues as well as get things running for more natural products. Some sort of phytotestosterone may help as well.

I have used every single one of thes products and they all work! They have gotten tremendous support form all boards.

There are some good sales going on right now as well. You really need to do some sort of heavy pct and allow your body to regulate.

 

[maxxmill17]

not to dispute but I wouldn't use anything other than a vitamin , or what I can get from my Dr. as he is willing to write script for anything that he thinks may help.

I have read about DIM for years ;though each time I wrote to a user or it and asked if it lowered E in their blood the answer was no..

Back to nolva only would help with gyno not ed correct? as it doesnt lower E which would be the cause of ed?

and adex anybody else get joint pain?? thx much

 

[Stryker1992]

not to dispute but I wouldn't use anything other than a vitamin , or what I can get from my Dr. as he is willing to write script for anything that he thinks may help.

I have read about DIM for years ;though each time I wrote to a user or it and asked if it lowered E in their blood the answer was no..

Back to nolva only would help with gyno not ed correct? as it doesnt lower E which would be the cause of ed?

and adex anybody else get joint pain?? thx much

So, if you are working with a doctor then I would ask him what to take and tell him your issues...By the sounds of things if he has been writing the scripts that is not going so well???

 

[Zyglamail]

not to dispute but I wouldn't use anything other than a vitamin , or what I can get from my Dr. as he is willing to write script for anything that he thinks may help.

I have read about DIM for years ;though each time I wrote to a user or it and asked if it lowered E in their blood the answer was no..

Back to nolva only would help with gyno not ed correct? as it doesnt lower E which would be the cause of ed?

and adex anybody else get joint pain?? thx much

Personally putting blind faith in your doc like that is a recipe for disaster, especially if something can be controlled naturally, relying on sripts is just silly.

As for DIM and how it works, as I mentioned above, there is a lot of stuff going on, use of DIM is just one piece of the puzzle. DIM increases hydroxyestrone and therefore improves the 2/16 hydroxyestrone ratio improving E related side effects. It also reduces availability of 4-androstenedione for aromatization to estrone. Then of course they is always the question of DIM quality and dosage. Most people with E "problems" need to be taking many times the recommended dose for a period of time to bring things under control.

 

[Stryker1992]

Personally putting blind faith in your doc like that is a recipe for disaster, especially if something can be controlled naturally, relying on sripts is just silly./QUOTE]

100%

 

[maxxmill17]

understood . and agreed. the only concept that behooves me would be why the use of pro-hormones which copy pharmaceutical grade;if you have the availabilty to get pharmaceutical grade?

 

[Zyglamail]

understood . and agreed. the only concept that behooves me would be why the use of pro-hormones which copy pharmaceutical grade;if you have the availabilty to get pharmaceutical grade?

Neither one are necessarily "natural" however, in the case of script testosterone, its chemical makeup, with the exception of the ester, is the same as your natural testosterone.

Im more generally referring to everyone and their brother running to the doc for a shot or a pill to fix something that could be fixed by more natural means. For example lets use A-dex, script med for stoping the production or estrogen via aramatase....hows that working for ya???

Another good example would be the hundreds of thousands of people with high BP who flock to the docs every year to get put on prescription meds because they cant be bothered to get their fat asses off the couch or change their diet to control BP naturally. The same holds true for high cholesterol and a whole slew of other common ailments.

People eat like crap, dont exercise and even if they do and something goes wrong they turn right to the medical community, most of which know little to nothing about nutrition.

Its estimated that over 50% of the population is 1st world nations are NOT getting the recommended dose of magnesium. Heck even if you do eat well and exercise its estimated the percentage of atheltic people deficient is even higher! Magnesium is involved in just about every bodily process and associated in some way with a huge number of ailments and diseases and there are hundreds of studies to back this up yet when is the last time your doc asked for an RBC magnesium test to make sure you were safe?

So, why dont docs prescribe DIM, calcium D-glucarate, phytoesterogens etc etc? By and large there is no money in it. Drugs can be patented but not natural ingredients, no money in it.

Also keep in mind I am not saying natural always works ideally, the best or the fastest. Im simply stating dont always look for a fix in the docs office.

 

[maxxmill17]

again understood and agreed. though have you ever seen blood result after dim? From guys I asked didnt drop their level..granted I donbt know dose used though few different guys...please woule love to hear someone wh ohad positive reslut in blood from it..
Also my trt dr. is a big advocate of vitamins he also has his own labled and made...some chiropractors do also... and i did a $300.00 blood vitamin test...

"The problem with this is that magnesium is not IN your blood. In fact, 99% of the magnesium in the body is in the cells; while only a mere 1% of your the body’s total magnesium is in the blood, making a blood test for magnesium nearly worthless in all but the WORST magnesium deficiency"
Is the rbc mag test better than just mag test? I will do on tuesday if so thx..

Read more: Your Magnesium Level is Virtually Worthless Information​

 

[Zyglamail]

again understood and agreed. though have you ever seen blood result after dim? From guys I asked didnt drop their level..granted I donbt know dose used though few different guys...please woule love to hear someone wh ohad positive reslut in blood from it..
Also my trt dr. is a big advocate of vitamins he also has his own labled and made...some chiropractors do also... and i did a $300.00 blood vitamin test...

"The problem with this is that magnesium is not IN your blood. In fact, 99% of the magnesium in the body is in the cells; while only a mere 1% of your the body’s total magnesium is in the blood, making a blood test for magnesium nearly worthless in all but the WORST magnesium deficiency"
Is the rbc mag test better than just mag test? I will do on tuesday if so thx..

Read more: Your Magnesium Level is Virtually Worthless Information​

DIM's effect of E is two fold as I highlighted above and I also noted theuraputic doses are often MANY times higher than whats on the label. In and of itself DIM isnt a miracle, combie it with everything, it can work wonders.

As for magnesium and your quotem im fully aware and that test refers to serum magnesium test, RBC mag test tests the contents of magnesium in the red blood cell. Still not the perfect test but good enough for showing a deficiency.

 

[maxxmill17]

i will def. do the rbc mag test..i am all about blood work..

did u notice i had written...i drew blood prior to adex E was 38..two weeks of adex then 2 weeks off adex drew blood again E was 68 rebound?

and can E come down on it's own if I just lower test dose and give time?> thx

 

[Zyglamail]

i will def. do the rbc mag test..i am all about blood work..

did u notice i had written...i drew blood prior to adex E was 38..two weeks of adex then 2 weeks off adex drew blood again E was 68 rebound?

and can E come down on it's own if I just lower test dose and give time?> thx

If you were on exo test and adex, took blood work and E was 38, then went off adex for 2 weeks, then back on for 2 weeks whose to say that was a "rebound"? The two weeks you were off could have allowed a significant amount of estrogen to build in your system and then when you start taking adex again it doesnt do anything to existing estrogen at all, only reduces the conversion of more. So once you started it back up after 2 weeks you have a bunch of E in your system PLUS your still making more, just at a reduced rate.

haphazardly taking bloods, starting and stopping meds is a waste of money.

The question should have been, what was your E at the end of the 2 weeks before you started a-dex back up? Perhaps it was 200? Guess you will never know, but my guess is it was a lot higher than 68 and if you do blood work again in a few weeks of staying on A-dex you will likely find it comes back down to 38 or so.

 

[maxxmill17]

ok..i will be more clear my fault....i get blood every 3-4 months and my test is consistantly between 800-1000 and E 33-38... so usual blood came back test 900 e 38 and i told dr. gyno was starting to bother me and ed..(rememer i had added carbs at night my guess what caused it)..he said do adex .25 eod I did for 2 weeks then joints hurt...stopped adex for 14 days then re-ran blood on 14 day without adex and 4th day after test shot...test 700 E 68. rebound and can it cure itself ??

 

[maxxmill17]

any thoughs?