Need some seriuos help high "E"

[maxxmill17]

42 yrs old....test;winny through 20's; 30's test on and off ; then late 30's to present trt 120-160 mgs no growth as my igf1 is consistantly 280-300 area..

I had been doing well past couple years some gyno would flair up i would just lower dose cut carbs to 1 a day (oatmeal) and seemed to be fine.

Now back in Jan. 2011 I had bumped test to my limit og 80 mgs 2x per week..but also started eating 1 1/2 cups oatmeal with strawberries and bananas at night..developed swollen nipps and ed...fiigured ok cut carbs back to oatmeal in morning and reduse test back to 120mgs...
No luck.
TRT dr.took blood test 900 aera E was 38 he said your fine go home!!..b.s. I said gyno ed so he put me on adex .25 eod ...I did great for 2 week then joints started killing me!! Real bad..

Stopped adex 2 weeks . took blood E jumped to 68 test 700 . then tried .25 again joints again! then tried asin felt like hell and some joint pain..but at same time I lost 10 lbs 188 to 178..

My questions;
1. will e "fix it's self I I just lower test
2.small dose of AI can really drop 10 pounds in 1 monts?
3. could nolva d ome any good

thank you all for your time I am in a state of dispair or is it disrepair

 

[Zyglamail]

Whats your bodyfat at? Most folks with strogen problems are carrying a lot of extra fat. They also consume a lot of grains (oatmeal included).

 

[maxxmill17]

i was a lean 188 prob got to 192 when i was eating the oatmeal at night..now 178 shredded viens in abs and all over...but oatmeal is my carb!! and has been that could be a problem? my diet is repaticiuos(bad spelling) i eat the same things constantly some times egg whites 3x per day oatmeal 1/2 cup 3x per day

 

[maxxmill17]

what about adex anybody else get joint pain?
and nolva any use for me? doesnt lower e does it

 

[Zyglamail]

Nolva does not lower E, it competes with E at the receptor so it can stop some of E's effects it doesnt do anything in regards to lowering it. Nolva also has effects on some pathways in the brain and has been used for folks with bipolar disoirder etc. I would opt for more natural substances if you can (see below).

There are a ton of things that can increase estrogen in males. sounds like fat isnt a problem in your case though.

Poor gut health can cause problems so I would recommend a good probiotic. Grains are a big contributor to poor gut health. Another thing you could try is DIM (Diindolylmethane), Caclium D-glucarate and green tea extract. All of these items help by working on the actions that create estrogen.

 

[Stryker1992]

I would get E-control from Ironmag labs, HCGenerate from needtobuildmuscle.com and forma stanzol.

All of these products will help control estrogen issues as well as get things running for more natural products. Some sort of phytotestosterone may help as well.

I have used every single one of thes products and they all work! They have gotten tremendous support form all boards.

There are some good sales going on right now as well. You really need to do some sort of heavy pct and allow your body to regulate.

 

[maxxmill17]

not to dispute but I wouldn't use anything other than a vitamin , or what I can get from my Dr. as he is willing to write script for anything that he thinks may help.

I have read about DIM for years ;though each time I wrote to a user or it and asked if it lowered E in their blood the answer was no..

Back to nolva only would help with gyno not ed correct? as it doesnt lower E which would be the cause of ed?

and adex anybody else get joint pain?? thx much

 

[Stryker1992]

not to dispute but I wouldn't use anything other than a vitamin , or what I can get from my Dr. as he is willing to write script for anything that he thinks may help.

I have read about DIM for years ;though each time I wrote to a user or it and asked if it lowered E in their blood the answer was no..

Back to nolva only would help with gyno not ed correct? as it doesnt lower E which would be the cause of ed?

and adex anybody else get joint pain?? thx much

So, if you are working with a doctor then I would ask him what to take and tell him your issues...By the sounds of things if he has been writing the scripts that is not going so well???

 

[Zyglamail]

not to dispute but I wouldn't use anything other than a vitamin , or what I can get from my Dr. as he is willing to write script for anything that he thinks may help.

I have read about DIM for years ;though each time I wrote to a user or it and asked if it lowered E in their blood the answer was no..

Back to nolva only would help with gyno not ed correct? as it doesnt lower E which would be the cause of ed?

and adex anybody else get joint pain?? thx much

Personally putting blind faith in your doc like that is a recipe for disaster, especially if something can be controlled naturally, relying on sripts is just silly.

As for DIM and how it works, as I mentioned above, there is a lot of stuff going on, use of DIM is just one piece of the puzzle. DIM increases hydroxyestrone and therefore improves the 2/16 hydroxyestrone ratio improving E related side effects. It also reduces availability of 4-androstenedione for aromatization to estrone. Then of course they is always the question of DIM quality and dosage. Most people with E "problems" need to be taking many times the recommended dose for a period of time to bring things under control.

 

[Stryker1992]

Personally putting blind faith in your doc like that is a recipe for disaster, especially if something can be controlled naturally, relying on sripts is just silly./QUOTE]

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