Need some Opinions on cycle

[EvansOnJuice]

Ok so I'm 6'1 225lbs 25 yrs old. Not sure on body fat. Pretty skinny except for stomach. Getting ready to start a 18 wk cycle. And want some opinions. I hate when guys on here ask for advice and the next five posts are people wanting them to give better details on certain things so I'm gonna try to lay it all out as best as I can. My last cycle was a bulk 12 wk of test cyp 500/ wk and deca 400/ wk. I got off that about 3 months ago weighing 260lbs. Mostly just water which I'm gonna try and get away from as best I can this time.

Ok so now for my 18 wk cycle. This is how I wanna run it.
1-18 test cyp 250 3x wk mon,wed,fri
1-18 deca 300 2x wk tue,thur
1-18 eq 300 2x wk tue,thur
1-7 dbol
7-18 winstrol
And running nolva through whole cycle. The eq is just to make me eat like a horse. Last cycle was pretty much a waist cuz I was always full from protein shakes. Dont want that again is the reason for the eq.

Pct was thinking about a post cycle kit and hcg injects. But really kinda open to suggestions on this. I plan on having everything on hand before I start but can get everything within 4-5 days so not worried about the pct too much. Thanks

 

[EvansOnJuice]

Also will be takin NO Xplode pre workout and nitrix pills. Along with glutamine and creatine. Monster milk protein shakes cuz of the protein to calorie ratio. I wanna be able to eat with my shakes without puking

 

[obsessedwliftin]

Bro I would shorten the deca in that cycle to 14 or 16. You really want to run the test past the deca. You to need a really good ai on hand with the dbol and deca mixed. The deca hangs around for a long time so you have an easier recovery with running it shorter than the test. I would run something other than the nolva with deca bro. But if it is worked fir you in the past I wont argue that with you. The winstrol should help you shed all the water and bloat towards the end.

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[Draxgear]

Better have a new liver ready for pct as well since you are essentially running orals for the entire 18 weeks. Forma is pretty good for helping keep estrogen down on cycle. Definitely run the deca shorter duration than the test. And quick question....if you had so much water bloating on a cycle before...y would you run so much gear on this cycle? I assume you know that eating like a horse and trying to cut same time is counterproductive?? You're gonna run well over a gram of gear a week...just to increase your appetite? Broski...I'm just giving you the benefit of doubt saying your diet is spot on...which we all know the case is usually something can be fixed but drop the shakes and eat real good food so you don't get that protein shake full for too long during the day. I had the same problem. I switched to tuna/crackers, chicken baked with BBQ sauce for flavor, and things of the sorts to replace daily shakes....and only pounded shakes right before bed(casein) and right at start of day(whey). Gained 9lbs (7lbs retained after pct solid LBM) after a 4 week dbol only cycle at 20-25mg per day. Food=best anabolic I guess is the main point. All that gear? IMO? Money wasting. But hey it's your money. Get some unleashed and Hcgenerate and post cycle and drop the nolva too since you're runnin a Nandrolone. You might need help with the prolactin and I believe Forma helps with that. Others can back up that claim Bc I'm not 100% sure. Hope any of that helps. OH and for the love of your liver...either drop the winny or get some n2guard. Your liver will thank you.

 

[Draxgear]

I think I may have misunderstood your dosages weekly. How much of each are you running per week. And how much dbol and winny you planning to run. You didn't specify only to say the length of which you are running.

 

[EvansOnJuice]

Ok def will run the deca 15-16 weeks. Dbol and winny @ 50 mg/day broke n half twice a day. Never heard of n2guard. Can I get that @ vitamin shoppe or do I need to go through somewhere else. Same goes with the forza I keep hearing about.

Also what AI u suggest u run with this cycle. I have access to whatever I want. Just heard from most people the nolva would be fine. If there's better options I'm certainly open to them.

I would get full from my protein shakes on last cycle just from the one waking up. Then I wouldn't wanna eat for 5-6 hrs then after workout shake would keep me full for couple hrs also and I would have to force myself to eat. My diet is mostly grilled chicken, some steak, baked potatoes and salads.

 

[EZ_E]

That's A LOT of juice, what's your cycle history?

6'1 and 225 doesn't sound skinny

I think you can run a lot less and reach the goals you're looking for...

1st thing I would do is throw the nolva away

2nd I would probably drop the deca out of the cycle altogether or @ least cut it down way shorter than the 18 weeks

3rd I wouldn't run orals for 18 weeks straight..maybe 4 in front and 4 in back

Go to Needtobuildmuscle.com for your N2Guard and PCT

~EZ

 

[Draxgear]

Mrsupps.com has Forma if it's in stock. Ntbm has Hcgenerate and post cycle/unleashed combo. Best I've ever used thus far. Quality products I was skeptical about til I tried. Nolvadex blocks estrogen but doesn't help prolactin which can be a problem with deca. Forma helps I'm almost positive. Research it. But it does work whatever it says helped me. Diet isn't an exact science so toy with it. I dropped my shakes during the day except for the two I mentioned and just added Real food. I prefer it that way anyways but everyone is different. Deca and eq is gonna make you eat like a freak man. Idk how winny is gonna help with all that food you're gonna take in Bc you're gonna bulk big time with all the aas plus the food intake. Unless that's your goal but how are you gonna maintain your gains Bc that's alot of weight you will put on and again it's only my opinion which means nothing to anyone but myself I'm sure but huge gains just to shrink after cycle is such a waste. I prefer short cycles with smaller gains but much easier for your body to keep permanent.

 

[EvansOnJuice]

Thanks for all the input guys. Now thinking of dropping the deca and running tren ace 100mg every other day. And doing the dbol 1-7 and moving the winny to 12-18. Still gonna run the AIs u mentioned. Just so many routes to take and now winters here I wanna bulk up then cut this summer

 

[Draxgear]

Dropping one to add a more potent Compound. SMH lol. Alright bro how's this...I'm similar in weight and structure to you pretty much. 229@ 5'9ish 27 y/o.
Run:
test C 500mg a week 1-16
Deca 300mg a week 1-12
Dbol 25mg ED 1-4
winny 50mg ED 12-16
Hcgenerate while on cycle starting week 2- however long it states on bottle you can run then discontinue.
Forma stanozol while on cycle to help estro/prolactin.-great stuff
Keep some letro on hand just incase but most swear by needto's products Bc they work.

Pct- there's a pct thread that has a solid pct program which is more important than aas themselves. But for the meantime I'd run as pct:
Hcgenerate
Forma
Unleashed/post cycle combo
Maybe a bit of clomid...maybe.

If you cannot gain on a cycle like this:
1) you are not eating enough
2) your training is lacking
3) your some kind of freak resistant to aas and food consumption.
4) you don't rest....ever.

Save the rest for a different cycle. Cutting? Drop some cals, run a little test with some primo and do some cardio. Diet def best for cutting. Period.