Need help with first cycle dosages

[inlove]

Hi,
I've started my first cycle yesterday and done quite a bit of research on the subject. I've got good support from a few good friends who've been competing and know their gear. However my problem is with the stack sizes that they recommended me to take.
I've decided on doing a classical Susta+deca stack.
1 ml each / week. Susta is 250 deca only 100mg.
NOW my friends say 100mg is enough for first time and good for joints. But the internet says even 200mg is too little..
I'd like some answers from experienced users, so please if you've used a few cycles please dont bother..
im going for 12 weeks , last 2 weeks deca goes off and after 12 weeks a few weeks pause and clo..

My info:
25yo
175cm
78kg
body about 12-15%
hitting the gym for 5+years
mesomorph body
4 times / week gym

aim: MASS SIZE and STRENGTH.

Thanks for help

 

[training700]

Test only just drop the deca

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Hi,
I've started my first cycle yesterday and done quite a bit of research on the subject. I've got good support from a few good friends who've been competing and know their gear. However my problem is with the stack sizes that they recommended me to take.
I've decided on doing a classical Susta+deca stack.
1 ml each / week. Susta is 250 deca only 100mg.
NOW my friends say 100mg is enough for first time and good for joints. But the internet says even 200mg is too little..
I'd like some answers from experienced users, so please if you've used a few cycles please dont bother..
im going for 12 weeks , last 2 weeks deca goes off and after 12 weeks a few weeks pause and clo..

My info:
25yo
175cm
78kg
body about 12-15%
hitting the gym for 5+years
mesomorph body
4 times / week gym

aim: MASS SIZE and STRENGTH.

Thanks for help

You need to learn how to eat and train.

I say no AAS!

 

[training700]

Stopping would be the best approach

 

[RADAR]

Test only to see how your body reacts to hormones, Deca will kill your libido and linger in your system as long as 18 months, save it for a later more advanced cycle, and for petes sake don't listen to your buddies at the gym ,let them learn the hard way.

If you don't know of Ancillaries needed running a cycle or a good PCT i would suggest stopping until you learn all you can about what you're putting in your body ( the pro's and con's)

 

[EZ_E]

+1 to all responses so far..

 

[inlove]

Thx for answers. I will strongly consider quitting the deca if you really think its bad for first cycle.
When will I know how my body reacts? Its been 2 days after first shot and the shoulder is a bit sore..

and for those who say "eat more" etc. I can promise you that i know more about working out and nutrition than most people will ever know...
I had great gains during the years and good results, but i've hit a wall in motivation and in results and I need something new.

 

[-SD-]

You dont know a whole lot if you claim to be a mesomorph at 5'9" 171 lbs. Drop the deca for sure, and run the sust at 375mg/wk for 12 weeks.
HCG throughout the cycle at 250iu, twice a week.
PCT: research it

 

[stevesmi]

i will tell you why deca is a bad idea.

deca is a very long ester.. it lingers for a long time. the body cannot recover when there is even small traces left in your body.
also deca creates progesterone problems.. you and your buddies probably have zero clue what progesterone is or how to combat it am i correct? ask them what progesterone is next time you see them and get back to me.. they don't know shit. any idiot can inject 2 grams of juice a week and claim to be a genius.. however if your 'buddies' were really smart they wouldn't recommend deca for a first cycle and on top of that a lame dosage.. good for the joints huh? a bullshit reason to run deca.. whats good for the joints is proper nutrition (omega's, krill oil, etc) and proper form.

if you are having joint issues you better lay off and/or fix your form ASAP because at your small size and age that is a major red flag to be having joint problems already

 

[EZ_E]

If you know more about diet & training that most people will ever know, then you should know how to tweek both to break thru a plateau...

~EZ

 

[TheRippedReverend]

If you know more about diet & training that most people will ever know, then you should know how to tweek both to break thru a plateau...

~EZ

My thoughts exact!!! He'd be 2 plus. Just anther person that wants some magic and who wouldnt!? But its a sad reality if hes not happy now just wait till after pct

 

[inlove]

I came for advice and I got some advice, thanks for that. Im dropping the deca off.
Will you think I will get good enough gains with 375 sust only?
Seems to be a lot of info on the net about "getting your dosages as high as possible for first cycle since it will be your best"


second question: its been a few days after my first injection. Is it normal to have a bit of pain in one of my testicles?

ps.
Leave your comments about knowing who knows what to yourselves. If I tell you that my body has hit a wall in getting lean weight, I might be either
1: amateur or
2: right about it.
Don't go jumping into conclusions although I respect and understand that most of the guys who post here are dumb US. citizens with 4 week cycles. My background was that I started with 115lbs when I was 18. Then worked my ass off and served in eu special forces for some time. Belive me I know how to train. And Im not trying to prove anything, all I'm saying is that This steroid stuff is new, and the reason im doing this is because I don't have the time it needs to grow bigger naturally. When you come from a puny background, genetics play a big role. And once you stop getting good results it gets hard to keep motivating yourself.

 

[bonacris]

I came for advice and I got some advice, thanks for that. Im dropping the deca off.
Will you think I will get good enough gains with 375 sust only?
Seems to be a lot of info on the net about "getting your dosages as high as possible for first cycle since it will be your best"


second question: its been a few days after my first injection. Is it normal to have a bit of pain in one of my testicles?

ps.
Leave your comments about knowing who knows what to yourselves. If I tell you that my body has hit a wall in getting lean weight, I might be either
1: amateur or
2: right about it.
Don't go jumping into conclusions although I respect and understand that most of the guys who post here are dumb US. citizens with 4 week cycles. My background was that I started with 115lbs when I was 18. Then worked my ass off and served in eu special forces for some time. Belive me I know how to train. And Im not trying to prove anything, all I'm saying is that This steroid stuff is new, and the reason im doing this is because I don't have the time it needs to grow bigger naturally. When you come from a puny background, genetics play a big role. And once you stop getting good results it gets hard to keep motivating yourself.

1st off lose the fucking attitude bro.. we are here to help you.. and people here no more about AAS and hormones than you will ever know..

2nd most people here train and take AAS because they are dedicated and its a lifestyle choice we don't use it because its a fucking short cut..

Thirdly that comment about getting your dosing ad high as possible for your 1st cycle is fucking retarded.. if that was the case we would recommend tren, and HGH and all that as a 1st cycle but we don't.. listen to the guys here and drop the attitude.

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[EZ_E]

This is a discussion board, you ask and people answer, you don't have to like the answer...

How the hell is ANYONE but YOU know if you're going to get "good results" with anything.....and if you know so much why would you start a cycle and then ask "is this good?"

EF isn't a pissing match so chill the fuck out with the attitude....

~EZ

 

[inlove]

I dont want any flame or trouble. This stuff is confusing and I never stated that I know jack shit about steroids. Im a newbie at this stuff thats a fact.
I dont really get how websites like (w)ww.steroid-cycles.com/first-steroid-cycles.html state "first cycle best cycle take a lot"
and then people tell me that u can kiss your gf goodbye and welcome decadick and then there are sites that state deca is one of the safest drugs there is...
(w)ww.silownia.net/steroids/deca_durabolin

 

[bonacris]

I dont want any flame or trouble. This stuff is confusing and I never stated that I know jack shit about steroids. Im a newbie at this stuff thats a fact.
I dont really get how websites like (w)ww.steroid-cycles.com/first-steroid-cycles.html state "first cycle best cycle take a lot"
and then people tell me that u can kiss your gf goodbye and welcome decadick and then there are sites that state deca is one of the safest drugs there is...
(w)ww.silownia.net/steroids/deca_durabolin

It's safe if run properly. With the right ancillaries it can be great bit may people don't know what to look for when dealing with progesterone side effects and try treat them like estrogen side effects.. it can be very complicated and its not for beginners like tren which is a completely different animal.. you will also see a lot of sites recommending Clomid and nolva for every pct.. that shit is outdate and so are those websites that suggest that


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[EZ_E]

That's cuz anyone can put anything on the 'net bossman....ever see that State Farm commercial?

Take a minute to think about it; drinking a few beers may get you a buzz, by that logic drinking a liter of tequila gets you more drunk. Does that make ANY sense? Exactly.

~EZ