need help from knowledgeable folk.

[layinback]

i have extended a 8 week "Anavar - oxandrolone - only" cycle to 10 weeker. started at 60 mg ed and have increased 70 mg ed for last 3 weeks. i am planing this for PCT - post cycle therapy - :

day 1. 40 mg nolvadex.
week 1 and 2. 20 mg nolvadex
week 3. 10 mg nolvadex

i will of course, up calories and use a shit load of glutamine.

what else can i take do as far as supplements etc...
can i run Clenbuterol with PCT - post cycle therapy - or is it too catabolic?

what is the best way to train during PCT - post cycle therapy - ?

 

[AhMadKooL]

An anavar only cycle? If so thats a very bad cycle.

 

[Acela]

An anavar only cycle? If so thats a very bad cycle.

I believe that layinback has indicated that he has done var only several times with a lot of success.

you didn't do a great job of trying to answer his question

layinback..as far as supps go...i personally just ordered the derma-sustain that everyone is raving about. maybe give it a try?

 

[AhMadKooL]

I believe that layinback has indicated that he has done Anavar - oxandrolone - only several times with a lot of success.

you didn't do a great job of trying to answer his question

layinback..as far as supps go...i personally just ordered the derma-sustain that everyone is raving about. maybe give it a try?

Ask anyone with experience and he'll tell you that an all oral cycle is a bad cycle. If I see something that I know is wrong I think the right thing to do is to inform the other person of his mistake so that he can rectify it whether now or later.

As far as his question goes clomid and HCG could be used for PCT

 

[a creed]

I doubt his nutz have shrunk at all (have they??) If not, a simple PCT of Clomid 50mg/day for 3-4 weeks and AIFM throughout and at least 4 weeks after.

I don't like the cycle either, and have never dealt with one like this, but the above is pretty much protocol for a simple cycle............

 

[rambleon]

I don't like orals only either but in this specific case i'm pretty sure layinback knows what he's doing. Don't fix what works for u right?

I agree about the clomid pct.

 

[AAP]

Nolvadex is a terrible choice for PCT in my opinion. All you are doing is setting yourself up for an estrogen rebound effect. Nolva doesn't eliminate estrogen. It just keeps it from binding to the receptors. That shit is still floating around in there.

I would not even worry about PCT after an anavar cycle. Hell, I have never ever used PCT before even after 1 gram test weekly, 800mg EQ weekly and GH daily. I simply think PCT is overrated.

 

[njmuscleguy]

low dosage of clo-mid is sufficient.... 25-50 mg ED for 4 weeks maximum.

Dermacrine Sustain works very well, and no side effects like clo-mid.... I'd give it a shot.

Don't run clen during P C T... it can be catabolic at higher dosages.... usually best run during cycle because you're in a highly anabolic state. I would just run something like Amp-02 and glutamine during P C T.

 

[Papa Lion]

clen is anti-catabolic... and I run it at 40mcg pd through pct

 

[big greg 82]

you dont need any pct for var only.

 

[Papa Lion]

you dont need any PCT - post cycle therapy - for Anavar - oxandrolone - only.

WRONG!!! if anavar shuts you down... which it's been proven to do at even fairly lower doses... why wouldn't you run p-c-t???

 

[layinback]

thanks guys for the input. i ran var only cycyle couple years back and got fantastic results. last time i used nolva for pct and it was a little rough. i know nolva is an estrogen blocker but i did not know it was inappropriate for var. aap, i have done a couple of small cycles and didnt use pct and i was fine. you say you dont worry bout it unless you are doin 800 mg or more....wow. it may be overrated. you guys keep suggesting clomid. i havent used it because i have heard bad things. ppl are equally divided about clenbuterol during pct. i am processing all of this information. i have made some quality gains and i wanna keep as much as possible and get the natty kickin and im sure you guys can relate. if anybody has anything to add im all ears

 

[raider187]

I doubt his nutz have shrunk at all (have they??) If not, a simple PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - of Clomid 50mg/day for 3-4 weeks and AIFM throughout and at least 4 weeks after.

I don't like the cycle either, and have never dealt with one like this, but the above is pretty much protocol for a simple cycle............

What Creed said is pretty good, but I would run the clomid at 50mg ED the first week and 25mg ED for two more weeks. This is what I will be running for my PCT. I will also be adding derma-sustain. (no info on AIFM, sorry)

As for the Clenbuterol, I have seen many people running it on their PCT. It's best to use it then as opposed to running on cycle.

For me I usually cycle the Clenbuterol as follows:

Day 1: 40mcg
Day 2: 40mcg
Day 3: 60mcg
Day 4: 60mcg
Day 5: 80mcg
Day 6: 80mcg
Day 7: 80mcg
Day 8: 100mcg
Day 9: 100mcg
Day 10: 100mcg
Day 11: 100mcg
Day 12: 120mcg
Day 13: 120mcg
Day 14: 120mcg

I take all my Clen in the AM before cardio.
Some people will stop using Clen at day 14. They will then take 14 days off to allow the beta receptors to up regulate.

If you decide to go past the 14 day period, do this...

You can also stay on Clenbuterol, without the two weeks off by taking 50mg of Bendryl ED for 7 days starting on day 15. This will allow beta receptors to up regulate.


Don't forget to take Taurine and I would eat a Banana every day. Clen can lower potasium levels.
You should also ramp down dosage as you come off.

Day 15: 120mcg + 50mg Benadryl
Day 16: 120mcg + 50mg Benadryl
Day 17: 120mcg + 50mg Benadryl
Day 18: 120mcg + 50mg Benadryl
Day 19: 120mcg + 50mg Benadryl
Day 20: 120mcg + 50mg Benadryl
Day 21: 120mcg + 50mg Benadryl
Day 22: 120mcg (Run for 14 more days & repeat Benadryl Week.) Or (Ramp Down Dose and come off)

Good Luck Bro.

 

[Acela]

layinback...some people will say this is shit, but i used tribulus with h.cg after may last cycle (sus/d-bawl) and i came off OK.

i have always felt like i get something from tribulus

 

[Mac173]

3-4wks of clomid should be more than sufficient.

 

[mattdan]

Ask anyone with experience and he'll tell you that an all oral cycle is a bad cycle.

That's total bullshit. Anavar only cycle is good for competitions that have weight classes such as boxers, MMA, wrestlers, power lifters, etc.

If you want to get strong without gaining weight, oral only cycles are good for that.

Too many people on this board ASSume that everyone has the same goals as theirs.

Maybe he's a track and field guy, maybe he just wants to stay smaller and cut. It's his cycle, his body and his life. Let him live it.

 

[mattdan]

As far as PCT, try clomid and decide for yourself. For me it works fanfuckintastic. Others don't like it.

It's cheap, so you're not out much if you don't like it. Save the leftover for a sex weekend and you'll perform like a porn star.

 

[needtogetaas]

I believe that layinback has indicated that he has done Anavar - oxandrolone - only several times with a lot of success.

you didn't do a great job of trying to answer his question

layinback..as far as supps go...i personally just ordered the derma-sustain that everyone is raving about. maybe give it a try?

good chose bro..if you need a discount code and derma pm me.

 

[rangers87]

i was wondering if any of you guys cant help me out i am 6'2 205 i have a bottle of ara test 2500 i was told to take 1 shot a week is that the best way to go i would like to get up to 225 or 230 any advice ?

 

[raider187]

i was wondering if any of you guys cant help me out i am 6'2 205 i have a bottle of ara test 2500 i was told to take 1 shot a week is that the best way to go i would like to get up to 225 or 230 any advice ?

Start a new post.

 

[Acela]

good chose bro..if you need a discount code and derma pm me.

funny, i just ordered 2 bottles YESTERDAY, so i guess that ship has sailed, but good lookin out. and i will post my results feedback on the product. thanks needto

 

[goku_kakarot77]

clomid 25-50mgs per day for about 3-4 weeks along with dermacrine sustain, no need for nolvadex

 

[layinback]

That's total bullshit. Anavar only cycle is good for competitions that have weight classes such as boxers, MMA, wrestlers, power lifters, etc.

If you want to get strong without gaining weight, oral only cycles are good for that.

Too many people on this board ASSume that everyone has the same goals as theirs.

Maybe he's a track and field guy, maybe he just wants to stay smaller and cut. It's his cycle, his body and his life. Let him live it.

TRUE! i have used a dozen analogs of testosterone inject and oral. anavar is by far my favorite.i am already big at 240lb. i am naturally lean and very strict training\diet. i only do the juice every 1.5 -2 yrs and i look better than lot of guys i know that go year round. i am no longer as strong...but its all about aesthetics now. an oral only cycle properly executed can produce much better results than an inject cycle in the hands of the ignorant or undisciplined. for instance a kid at my gym (i think he about 20 and to young imho) started a test\deca\dbol cycle when i kicked off my lil ole 60 mg var cycle. well needless to say i have made much more progress than him. he misses meals and overtrains and god knows what else. he will not listen to me.i can turn 400mg test and 30 mg dbol into 15 lb of keepable muscle. it is all about focus, diet and intense training. this can be accomplished with orals or injectables. i dont even listen when i hear "orals only are a bad cycle". unless i am completely psychotic and hallucinating i have made tremendous progress on oral only and have personally kept more % wise on var than anything else i have used. i have reconsidered and will be using clomid instead of nolva. this site and the good folks on it are invaluable. i appreciate everyones contribution.....even the ones i disagree with.