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Nearly beat a man's ass at Wal-Mart yesterday. Was I wrong?
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Big Val,
I'm really not sure of how I feel - emotionally and in my heart I would say you did the right thing but I can with some confidence imagine that his daughter received quite the beating either on the drive home, when they got home or in these next weeks to follow.
I was beaten regularly as child - even as a young adult and it didn't stop until I was until my mother was too tired or had run out of objects that fit well in her hand. I wasn't a crier or a screamer but you see someone's mother could not cope with most anything in life or her relationship with my father and usually needed to take it out on someone.
Now my question to you would be what if it had been a woman beating her child in front you for reasons you couldn't quite figure because there was no crying and there was no screaming. Would you still have done what you had done?
I had always assumed that because she is a woman that people chose not to believe it ever happened unless they had actually witnessed it and even then they had simply turned away.
So Big Val - would you have taken a woman, a mother down for doing the very same thing?
No flame - no, women and men should be treated differently. I'm only asking because they never was anyone there to make it stop for me.
I'm really not sure of how I feel - emotionally and in my heart I would say you did the right thing but I can with some confidence imagine that his daughter received quite the beating either on the drive home, when they got home or in these next weeks to follow.
I was beaten regularly as child - even as a young adult and it didn't stop until I was until my mother was too tired or had run out of objects that fit well in her hand. I wasn't a crier or a screamer but you see someone's mother could not cope with most anything in life or her relationship with my father and usually needed to take it out on someone.
Now my question to you would be what if it had been a woman beating her child in front you for reasons you couldn't quite figure because there was no crying and there was no screaming. Would you still have done what you had done?
I had always assumed that because she is a woman that people chose not to believe it ever happened unless they had actually witnessed it and even then they had simply turned away.
So Big Val - would you have taken a woman, a mother down for doing the very same thing?
No flame - no, women and men should be treated differently. I'm only asking because they never was anyone there to make it stop for me.
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The Ranger
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I recently had to pull 10 days in jail for something along these lines Val(pulled the days on weekends)....well worth every second, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat....
Matter of fact....not quite through....<wink>
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Matter of fact....not quite through....<wink>
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ROMAGOLD
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You know, all these posts on this particular incident are noble and all, but intervening is a stupid thing to do. I mean, unless the child is getting beaten to death, leaving it alone it the best thing to do. Why?? Because as good as it might feel to have driven this guys nose bone into his brain, it probably would've felt worse had he gone out to his car, grabbed his .38, and put one in your brain!! And THAT"S the world we live in today..........
theoak01
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Trance said:
im not disagreeing but even if they are castrated they can still molest with hands mouth and other bodie parts,aswell as mental sexual abuse on the childern
Romnagold your attitude is very self centered ,this post just proved it,i would be willing to risk being shot or beat if i saw a man hit his childern ,if there was any chance i may stop it i would,your just a pussy thats why you dont intervene
Big Brother Val
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Daised... I truly am sorry. It harms me emotionally for you.
Nordstrom... Absolutely. There would be no difference between someone beating their son or their daughter. This situation merely revolved around a father/daughter situation. To me, a child is a child. I have 2 boys, and 1 girl of my own. And though there is a bond between me and my 1st born son that I cannot describe, he does not take precedence over my daughter, or other son. Children are beautiful. All of them. I would stand up for/fight for/die for any child. That's just the way I am.
Velvett... I am at a loss for words for what happened to you. And it also harms me that you went through that. I can't imagine what you went through. To answer your question, I would have intervened, yes. But no, not to the same extent. For example: I was in the mall, in the food court... and I heard this boy screaming... (anytime I hear a child screaming, I look for the reason... sort of a habit), and there's a woman seated with her boy (a gorgeous little blond haired champ... maybe 2 years old) and she was rather large. She was eating. She had 3 corn dogs, and a basket of fries in front of her. The boy had nothing. The reason he was screaming, is he was watching her eat. He would stand up in his stroller reach his hand out to the corn dog/fry in her hand, as it went from her tray to her mouth... when he didn't get a bite, he'd cry. I watched her for 5 minutes... she never gave him a thing. She just continued to tell him to shut up. He continued to scream. She pushed him down (as he was standing in his stroller)... he fell out of the stroller, and luckily landed on his butt, but started crying harder. The woman did nothing. I walked over to the woman, leaned down by her shoulder and asked her if her husband was around. She said no. I told her the reason I was asking, is I was going to beat him like a circus midget if he was around. I told her I would never hit a lady. But she wasn't a lady. I explained in few words that the boy was simply hungry... and she obviously ate enough for three people already... and advised her if she wanted him to be quiet, to give him a corn dog. I actually picked up the boy, and put him back in his stroller... the woman gave him a corn dog, and the boy tore into it. He was very hungry. I got my chicken sandwich, and sat about 2 tables away from them. She didn't raise her voice, and she wasn't physical to the boy again.
So there's an exact opposite situation. I didn't push her around. I just handle it differently. My girlfriend thought that was the coolest.
It was around summertime. It's a two way street... and I don't care who is in the situation... white trash lookin' people, or people who look like they have more than enough cash. It's not a man/woman thing, or a financial status thing... it's a children thing.
Ranger... 10 days in jail? What did you do? If you don't want to post it, I'd appreciate it if you'd pm or email me and let me know. I'm just sorta curious. Whatever it was, if it was on the same lines as this, and you went to jail for it... then I applaud you even more. And I agree that being in jail would be worth every second... if there would have been a fight, and I got to beat the man down, but had to go to jail... it would be worth it. I just try to avoid it if possible. Good work, my friend.
ROMAGOLD... That's why people like you don't intervene... "But what would happen to ME?" That's the general sensus of the public, I believe. Why help a child, even if just for the moment, if I could get hurt? What if he's a really big guy, and he might "beat me up"?
Well... if you choose, you continue living in your self-protecting little shell of a body... and I will continue to help whoever, wherever, whenever I can. I may die... but I'd die doing what's right. You'll die in fear of death... doing nothing for anyone.
And I'd rather die tomorrow, than live how you choose to live.
Canadian Oak... right on. I absolutely agree. Many people say they would do something, but when the time comes, they find themselves in fear of what might happen to themselves. It takes a different kind of person to actually step in. I'm glad you have your views. I think a lot of people do... but when it comes right down to it, they lack the courage of their conviction.
Nordstrom... again... read what I wrote to Velvett... I care that the INDIVIDUAL... the child... got hurt. Not what it means to society. I don't give a damn what it means to the "social organism". The reason I posted this thread, was to see how many people agree with me, versus disagree. It seems like everyone agrees for the most part... as I'm sure the general public would... but if that's the case, why do so few intervene? I will do what I need to do in ANY situation... if that means beating someone like a circus midget... then fine. If it means a subtle threat... then fine. It needs to be done. Not for the social organism... but for the child.
Nordstrom... Absolutely. There would be no difference between someone beating their son or their daughter. This situation merely revolved around a father/daughter situation. To me, a child is a child. I have 2 boys, and 1 girl of my own. And though there is a bond between me and my 1st born son that I cannot describe, he does not take precedence over my daughter, or other son. Children are beautiful. All of them. I would stand up for/fight for/die for any child. That's just the way I am.
Velvett... I am at a loss for words for what happened to you. And it also harms me that you went through that. I can't imagine what you went through. To answer your question, I would have intervened, yes. But no, not to the same extent. For example: I was in the mall, in the food court... and I heard this boy screaming... (anytime I hear a child screaming, I look for the reason... sort of a habit), and there's a woman seated with her boy (a gorgeous little blond haired champ... maybe 2 years old) and she was rather large. She was eating. She had 3 corn dogs, and a basket of fries in front of her. The boy had nothing. The reason he was screaming, is he was watching her eat. He would stand up in his stroller reach his hand out to the corn dog/fry in her hand, as it went from her tray to her mouth... when he didn't get a bite, he'd cry. I watched her for 5 minutes... she never gave him a thing. She just continued to tell him to shut up. He continued to scream. She pushed him down (as he was standing in his stroller)... he fell out of the stroller, and luckily landed on his butt, but started crying harder. The woman did nothing. I walked over to the woman, leaned down by her shoulder and asked her if her husband was around. She said no. I told her the reason I was asking, is I was going to beat him like a circus midget if he was around. I told her I would never hit a lady. But she wasn't a lady. I explained in few words that the boy was simply hungry... and she obviously ate enough for three people already... and advised her if she wanted him to be quiet, to give him a corn dog. I actually picked up the boy, and put him back in his stroller... the woman gave him a corn dog, and the boy tore into it. He was very hungry. I got my chicken sandwich, and sat about 2 tables away from them. She didn't raise her voice, and she wasn't physical to the boy again.
So there's an exact opposite situation. I didn't push her around. I just handle it differently. My girlfriend thought that was the coolest.
It was around summertime. It's a two way street... and I don't care who is in the situation... white trash lookin' people, or people who look like they have more than enough cash. It's not a man/woman thing, or a financial status thing... it's a children thing.
Ranger... 10 days in jail? What did you do? If you don't want to post it, I'd appreciate it if you'd pm or email me and let me know. I'm just sorta curious. Whatever it was, if it was on the same lines as this, and you went to jail for it... then I applaud you even more. And I agree that being in jail would be worth every second... if there would have been a fight, and I got to beat the man down, but had to go to jail... it would be worth it. I just try to avoid it if possible. Good work, my friend.
ROMAGOLD... That's why people like you don't intervene... "But what would happen to ME?" That's the general sensus of the public, I believe. Why help a child, even if just for the moment, if I could get hurt? What if he's a really big guy, and he might "beat me up"?
Well... if you choose, you continue living in your self-protecting little shell of a body... and I will continue to help whoever, wherever, whenever I can. I may die... but I'd die doing what's right. You'll die in fear of death... doing nothing for anyone.
And I'd rather die tomorrow, than live how you choose to live.
Canadian Oak... right on. I absolutely agree. Many people say they would do something, but when the time comes, they find themselves in fear of what might happen to themselves. It takes a different kind of person to actually step in. I'm glad you have your views. I think a lot of people do... but when it comes right down to it, they lack the courage of their conviction.
Nordstrom... again... read what I wrote to Velvett... I care that the INDIVIDUAL... the child... got hurt. Not what it means to society. I don't give a damn what it means to the "social organism". The reason I posted this thread, was to see how many people agree with me, versus disagree. It seems like everyone agrees for the most part... as I'm sure the general public would... but if that's the case, why do so few intervene? I will do what I need to do in ANY situation... if that means beating someone like a circus midget... then fine. If it means a subtle threat... then fine. It needs to be done. Not for the social organism... but for the child.
I commend you for what you did, but I don't think I would have done the same. Mainly because I'm really weary of our litigation happy society. Good for you though, the guy deserved it and then some. Telling a 5 year old girl to "shut the fuck up" and hitting her is one of those things that'll probably affect her for the rest of her life.
I have had a similar experience several years ago when a drunk man ran a red light and hit my car. It was 3 pm and he had just picked his son up from school when he hit me. He was not fallen down drunk but he was stumbling around and smelled of alcohol.
While we were waiting on the police and tow trucks he started yelling at his kid, about how it was the son's fault. I was pretty calm until he slapped him. When he went to hit him again I just reacted, and grabbed him. When the police got there, they saw me with my hand around the guys throat, and were almost ready to pull their guns, when a woman told them what happened.
If it had not been for her, I would have been the one to go to jail.
Would I do it again? Hell yes!!
Velvett, you know how I feel about what you went through as a child. You turned into one incredible lady in spite of all that.
As to how I would have handled it if the parent was a woman.
I honestly don't know. I doubt I would have used physical force in that situation, at least I hope not. I'll never know, and hopefully I'll never have to find out.
While we were waiting on the police and tow trucks he started yelling at his kid, about how it was the son's fault. I was pretty calm until he slapped him. When he went to hit him again I just reacted, and grabbed him. When the police got there, they saw me with my hand around the guys throat, and were almost ready to pull their guns, when a woman told them what happened.
If it had not been for her, I would have been the one to go to jail.
Would I do it again? Hell yes!!
Velvett, you know how I feel about what you went through as a child. You turned into one incredible lady in spite of all that.
As to how I would have handled it if the parent was a woman.
I honestly don't know. I doubt I would have used physical force in that situation, at least I hope not. I'll never know, and hopefully I'll never have to find out.
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