Natty? Really?

[NEO1]

Ok, so I was reading another post and someone mentioned getbig.com I checked it out, read some posts and then saw....Hmmmm, anyone else think there are a couple that "aren't quite natural"? I may be wrong but let the debate begin

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=54122.0

 

[ironcheif1984]

There might be some in there that "arent quite natural" but who can tell for sure you never really know.

 

[dabuffguy]

It's possible, but I think some are not natty.

 

[GUARDIAN]

there are a few in there that i believe are natural.

 

[drsketch]

I have seen huge people that were 100% natural, and not really taking many or any legal suppliments.

 

[Raptorex]

Your stay here will be short if you post links to other boards is my guess...

 

[Tatyana]

I have seen huge people that were 100% natural, and not really taking many or any legal suppliments.

Me too.

I have seen some awesome natties.

I think there are a few reasons why people don't believe

-BBing is all an illusion, so in a pic, especially a comp pic, the guy may only be 175 lb soaking wet, but jacked, shredded and dry. They then look HUGE.

-Maybe there is a cultural thing cause the huge steroid boom came from the US (read steroid nation), and it is as American as baseball , but so many peeps in the US just don't think anyone is natural. I think this is partially to the fault of the media and saying how many sports people are on steroids in the US.


-steroids are illegal in the US, making them more appealing. In countries with more liberal drug laws, the use of drugs decreases. A lot of UK BBers who are 'known' post their cycles publically, it is not an issue

-there are people who are so desperate to win ANYTHING, they will cheat, and drug testing in natural federations (especially in the US where the NPC and IFBB rule supreme), is not funded all that well.

-while people seem to accept biological variations in things like intelligence and attractiveness, for some reason, this variation in the ability to build muscle is not accepted

Here is a thread I made of some of the natties I know (on this board).

I also know in my first season people had a hard time believing I was natural, and I have put on more muscle since then.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...le-bodybuilding-training/naturals-578412.html

 

[NEO1]

I think there are several that are natural. Just not all of them.

Posting links for a conversation? I hope not.

 

[c-sharp minor]

-BBing is all an illusion, so in a pic, especially a comp pic, the guy may only be 175 lb soaking wet, but jacked, shredded and dry. They then look HUGE.

That's a fact.

 

[GUARDIAN]

I think there are several that are natural. Just not all of them.

Posting links for a conversation? I hope not.

BANNED!

 

[Bikini Mod]

Bottom line is whether you agree with it or not, anabolic agents are ILLEGAL. This FACT will always skew perception, sadly.

 

[Tatyana]

Bottom line is whether you agree with it or not, anabolic agents are ILLEGAL. This FACT will always skew perception, sadly.

They are not illegal everywhere, which I think changes things in some countries.

The natural BBing federations get as much BBing mag coverage as the 'geared' feddies in the UK.

The most recent issue of BEEF, which covers all the comps, demonstrates this.

It could almost be called 'the nattie issue'.

Also, life-long natural BBers are sponsered by some of the major supplement companies here, and they get the advertising spots as well.

Really, it is a whole different attitude towards steroids as they are legal to use, just not to sell.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Do u think those natty's simply have an abnormally high natural test level?

 

[Raptorex]

LOL, Tat - you might want to spend more time in American gyms before you write the book on Natty in America...steriod use is very high. The only true natty's that are ripped are highly trained to do so.

I laff at guys who juice to get big and try to carry the swag when they dont' have it...I just laff in their face.

 

[Raptorex]

Does this Getbig place have a membership fee? sounds interesting.

 

[Bikini Mod]

They are not illegal everywhere, which I think changes things in some countries.

The natural BBing federations get as much BBing mag coverage as the 'geared' feddies in the UK.

The most recent issue of BEEF, which covers all the comps, demonstrates this.

It could almost be called 'the nattie issue'.

Also, life-long natural BBers are sponsered by some of the major supplement companies here, and they get the advertising spots as well.

Really, it is a whole different attitude towards steroids as they are legal to use, just not to sell.

You live there. I don't so I can only comment on what goes on in the US. Here, steroids are ILLEGAL. They weren't back in Arnold's day either, but that didn't stop him and Ferrigno, Columbo, etc from taking them either.

I can see your point about them being illegal making them so much more "desirable"... I suppose it is human nature to want what you aren't supposed to have. LOL

 

[Tatyana]

Do u think those natty's simply have an abnormally high natural test level?

It is far more involved than just test levels.

There are some old experiments where they basically took all the endocrine glands out of rats and they still made muscle, so there are other pathways that will have muscles growth (think it is mTOR genes).

And you also have to consider all of this as well, and this is not a complete list:

Cortisol output
Adrenaline output
Insulin output
insulin sensitivity
Thyroid output
Thyroid sensitivity
Testosterone production
Testosterone/hormone sensitivity
Testosterone to estrogen conversion
SHGB sensitivity
Testosterone to DHT conversion
Estrogen sensitivity
Growth Hormone output
Growth Hormone sensitivity
IGF output
IGF sensitivity
Digestive capability
Basic protein synthesis ability
Muscle fiber composition
Muscle fiber content
Motor unit recruitment/motor unit density
CNS output/CNS recovery
Hard wired stress response
Emotional states
Myostatin polymorphisms
Follistatin polymorphisms

 

[SaladFork]

Can you spot the natty guy in this line up?

 

[Tatyana]

LOL, Tat - you might want to spend more time in American gyms before you write the book on Natty in America...steriod use is very high. The only true natty's that are ripped are highly trained to do so.

I laff at guys who juice to get big and try to carry the swag when they dont' have it...I just laff in their face.

I just finished the book Steroid Nation by Shaun Assel, it was really interesting, and followed the whole history of steroids from Dan Ducheine, Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Arthur Rea, the lot.

It is subtitled, the 'real drug addiction in the US'.

I really do think the media has done some serious damage with regards to steroids in the US. Far too many people think that they are some sort of 'magical' drug that is going to give them the body they want.

I still remember the most profound thing I heard Dr. Colker say (he writes for MD and was giving one of the lectures at Arnie's training seminar, and he is very pro-steroids):

"If you don't think you can build a good physique without the use of drugs, you never will"

I have no issue with people using or not using performance enhancing drugs.

I even think that a lot of professional sports should allow steroid use, I do think that it would be better if the Olympics stayed 'clean' though.

My biggest issue with steroids is that there are so many people who are just too bloody lazy to make any changes AT ALL to their diets, or even bother to make a decent effort training.

When they don't get the results they want with half-assed dieting, training and gear, they can't see how anyone else who does trains hard and smart and has their diet sorted (consistently) CAN do it nattie.

 

[Tatyana]

You live there. I don't so I can only comment on what goes on in the US. Here, steroids are ILLEGAL. They weren't back in Arnold's day either, but that didn't stop him and Ferrigno, Columbo, etc from taking them either.

I can see your point about them being illegal making them so much more "desirable"... I suppose it is human nature to want what you aren't supposed to have. LOL

True about Arnie etc, but they were competitive BBers, and it was bodybuilders who were the first 'lab rats' for steroids.

What is happening now is a completely different kettle of fish.

You know what I am talking about. There are housewives who have never pushed anything more than a pink dumbell who want to take steroids now because they see something in the news about what steroids do.

 

[Raptorex]

Excellent reply, I agree fully with you. What doesn't get captured is the broad and common usage of many "real" steroids during the 90s being sold in the corner vitamin stores as pro-hormones (note: I tried them also). When I go into these same stores even today, all the young guys know exactly which new ones have slipped thru the cracks and are close (if not the same) to the real thing.

I have seen young guys with such unsightly stretch marks from their rapid growth it made me sick. There is little if any short/long term safety known on these compounds.

I do believe in DHEA-S however for those 35+ or so.

I just finished the book Steroid Nation by Shaun Assel, it was really interesting, and followed the whole history of steroids from Dan Ducheine, Ben Johnson, Marion Jones, Arthur Rea, the lot.

It is subtitled, the 'real drug addiction in the US'.

I really do think the media has done some serious damage with regards to steroids in the US. Far too many people think that they are some sort of 'magical' drug that is going to give them the body they want.

I still remember the most profound thing I heard Dr. Colker say (he writes for MD and was giving one of the lectures at Arnie's training seminar, and he is very pro-steroids):

"If you don't think you can build a good physique without the use of drugs, you never will"

I have no issue with people using or not using performance enhancing drugs.

I even think that a lot of professional sports should allow steroid use, I do think that it would be better if the Olympics stayed 'clean' though.

My biggest issue with steroids is that there are so many people who are just too bloody lazy to make any changes AT ALL to their diets, or even bother to make a decent effort training.

When they don't get the results they want with half-assed dieting, training and gear, they can't see how anyone else who does trains hard and smart and has their diet sorted (consistently) CAN do it nattie.

 

[GUARDIAN]

what was he thinking? lol

Can you spot the natty guy in this line up?

 

[Bikini Mod]

True about Arnie etc, but they were competitive BBers, and it was bodybuilders who were the first 'lab rats' for steroids.

What is happening now is a completely different kettle of fish.

You know what I am talking about. There are housewives who have never pushed anything more than a pink dumbell who want to take steroids now because they see something in the news about what steroids do.

Agreed 100%

It's really sad to see... but I don't have too, too much sympathy for those who have the "magic bullet" syndrome.

Thinking back I would volunteer HOURS of my time trying to help all the people out in the gym who would constantly stop me and ask advice. After awhile I realized that what I had to tell them just fell on deaf ears anyway so I began messing with them. I would look both ways and lower my voice, then lean in and say just above a whisper, "You know there REALLY IS this magic stuff here that you can just rub on your thighs to get rid of cellulite." or "There is this magic pill here that you can take and it will give you the bikini body that you have always wanted." or some such. There eyes would get wide and they would whisper the reply, "REALLY?!?!?!"

Then I started to laugh and say, "Duh, if there was magic in here (my gym bag) do you think I would have been in the gym kicking my own ass since I was 18 years old?" (I was in my mid 30's at that point in time.)

Then they went back to that glazed over deer in headlights stare.

 

[Tatyana]

Excellent reply, I agree fully with you. What doesn't get captured is the broad and common usage of many "real" steroids during the 90s being sold in the corner vitamin stores as pro-hormones (note: I tried them also). When I go into these same stores even today, all the young guys know exactly which new ones have slipped thru the cracks and are close (if not the same) to the real thing.

I have seen young guys with such unsightly stretch marks from their rapid growth it made me sick. There is little if any short/long term safety known on these compounds.

I do believe in DHEA-S however for those 35+ or so.

I do think in some ways I am making things a bit more difficult for myself doing it nattie.

There are so many supps and companies I avoid, as they are in the 'grey' area, or they have been known for having contamination.

I have to read EVERYTHING, and also know what means what.

For example, my gym started selling a new 'energiser' tablet called grenade.

When my training buddy and I looked at what was in it, the first ingredient is Ma Huang, which looks quite innocent, but it is the 'raw' form of ephedra.

What is even more dangerous about this, is that I KNOW that quite a few Ma Huang herbs have been contaminated with fenfluramine, or Phen-fen, which has been know to cause heart valve defects and is banned in so many countries.

Similarly, I can't take anything with Sida Cordifolia in it, as it is ephedra alkaloids.

I even avoid cold and flu strength remedies, as most have phenylephidrine in them, which again, could have me test positive (and my natural status has been questioned as I do pack on the muscle with intense training).

I stick to a lot of the basics, and frequently use vitamins from someone like Solgar where the chances of contamination with steroids is highly unlikely.

Like I keep saying, there really isn't anything wrong with the proper use of steroids.

The issue is that far too many people use them in an irresponsible manner, and far too many people take risks with their health and well-being dabbling with some of the drugs I would consider highly dubious, such as insulin and DNP. I am also a bit concerned about people using thyroid drugs as well.

I can understand if you are a top level competitor in BBing/powerlifting/strongman or something related, but just to look good for your holidays?

I think it is this sort of use that has messed it up in the US for those that do use responsibly.

 

[ponyfitness]

One reason I stopped bodybuilding was that the last "natural" show I was at there were guys in line with me comparing their cycles and when they came off so that they would test clean. Needless to say I looked like the guy in that pic except I had a tan and actual muscles but I was probably 20 lbs lighter than anyone else there.

 

[Tatyana]

One reason I stopped bodybuilding was that the last "natural" show I was at there were guys in line with me comparing their cycles and when they came off so that they would test clean. Needless to say I looked like the guy in that pic except I had a tan and actual muscles but I was probably 20 lbs lighter than anyone else there.

I feel for you.

What sad pathetic cowards that do gear and compete in natural federations.

I love kicking the geared up girlies butts, and I have done before.

There does seem to be a lot more 'cheats' in NA.

In the UK, the natural feddies catch quite a few cheaters every year, and they sometimes go to fairly extreme measures to catch them, including sitting outside the house of one person whose natural status was in question until they provided a urine sample (it was 6 weeks out from the UK finals).

These people are 'named and shamed' quite publically, and they are not even the person who won the class.

I think it has something to do with the whole British mentality.

We love the underdogs, and 'true' naturals sort of fall into this category.

We also have a high regard for decorum and integrity, and while we seem so very 'nice' on the surface, if someone thinks that some injustice is going on, they will grass (tell) on the person.

The UK BBing community is small, so I do think that we police our own.

I have a few letters etc, from some of the nattie feddies that they sent out to all their members naming the cheats I could post here to give you an idea.

Long story made short, I got a one year ban from the nattie for life federation for grass as it is one of the banned substances according to the IOC rules.

My coach took DHEA for three weeks before it was a banned pro-hormone once.

When the nattie feddies did ban it, he told them, and he got a lifetime ban from the nattie for life federation.

That is how seriously it is taken here.

 

[Jon79]

that dude all the way to the left is nipalicious

 

[SaladFork]

that dude all the way to the left is nipalicious

Gynecomastia set in 2 days before the contest lol. The guy standing next to whittie (left side) won the overall. I would have wanted to stand next to that guy in pose down also lol.

 

[Sub-Zero]

there are a few in there that i believe are natural.

yah like that one old dude

 

[Sub-Zero]

Me too.

I have seen some awesome natties.

I think there are a few reasons why people don't believe

-BBing is all an illusion, so in a pic, especially a comp pic, the guy may only be 175 lb soaking wet, but jacked, shredded and dry. They then look HUGE.

-Maybe there is a cultural thing cause the huge steroid boom came from the US (read steroid nation), and it is as American as baseball , but so many peeps in the US just don't think anyone is natural. I think this is partially to the fault of the media and saying how many sports people are on steroids in the US.


-steroids are illegal in the US, making them more appealing. In countries with more liberal drug laws, the use of drugs decreases. A lot of UK BBers who are 'known' post their cycles publically, it is not an issue

-there are people who are so desperate to win ANYTHING, they will cheat, and drug testing in natural federations (especially in the US where the NPC and IFBB rule supreme), is not funded all that well.

-while people seem to accept biological variations in things like intelligence and attractiveness, for some reason, this variation in the ability to build muscle is not accepted

Here is a thread I made of some of the natties I know (on this board).

I also know in my first season people had a hard time believing I was natural, and I have put on more muscle since then.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...le-bodybuilding-training/naturals-578412.html

your coach is a juicer, its obvious,

either that or he has like 2,000% more test than avarage humans

 

[Tatyana]

your coach is a juicer, its obvious,

either that or he has like 2,000% more test than avarage humans

My coach has been BBing and competing for 20+ years, and competes at about 180-190 lb (can't remember which, middle weight).

Check a few posts back for all the factors that are involved in muscle growth, it is more than testosterone.

 

[bigmann245]

My coach has been BBing and competing for 20+ years, and competes at about 180-190 lb (can't remember which, middle weight).

Check a few posts back for all the factors that are involved in muscle growth, it is more than testosterone.

at that weight i can believe someone is natural. when they hit my weight, and im one of them, its unatural. i wrestled 177lbs in high school now im 290lbs. i would love to say its natural but its so not.

 

[str8nubin]

My coach has been BBing and competing for 20+ years, and competes at about 180-190 lb (can't remember which, middle weight).

Check a few posts back for all the factors that are involved in muscle growth, it is more than testosterone.

180-190 lbs in the right places...

Somebody tell me you can't attain that naturally =)

"Illusion not delusion"

You know this sublime

 

[chazk]

One of the pics the black guy doing the side tricep pose. is 5'4 and competes ar 150lbs his name is little hercules over in the getbig natural forums.

When you see the pics you think damn that dude is huge and ripped , But if someone 6'ft was standing next to him you might think holy shit that dude is not as big as I thought.

 

[Sub-Zero]

180-190 lbs in the right places...

Somebody tell me you can't attain that naturally =)

"Illusion not delusion"

You know this sublime

maybe so i still call juicer alert

 

[bigmann245]

maybe so i still call juicer alert

yea seriously its hard to find natural natural peeps these days...

 

[Tatyana]

maybe so i still call juicer alert

I have a few questions for you

1. How would you modify training (reps and sets) for different muscle fiber types?

2. What is periodisation of training/contrast training?

3. What is CNS adaptation/CNS recovery?

4. What are the signs and symptoms of over-training?

5. How do you naturally manipulate insulin?

6. How do you naturally trigger GH release?

7. Which carb doesn't trigger insulin release but most strongly induces gluconeogenesis?

8. What amino acids are insulinogenic?

9. What amino acid induces protein synthesis?


Young Skywalker, you are only at the beginning of your training.

If you think that steroids are the only way you can get an awesome physique, there are some serious gaps in your BBing knowledge.

 

[Tatyana]

And lastly

10. How would you test someone for the different muscle fiber composition they have?

 

[bigmann245]

I have a few questions for you

1. How would you modify training (reps and sets) for different muscle fiber types?

2. What is periodisation of training/contrast training?

3. What is CNS adaptation/CNS recovery?

4. What are the signs and symptoms of over-training?

5. How do you naturally manipulate insulin?

6. How do you naturally trigger GH release?

7. Which carb doesn't trigger insulin release but most strongly induces gluconeogenesis?

8. What amino acids are insulinogenic?

9. What amino acid induces protein synthesis?


Young Skywalker, you are only at the beginning of your training.

If you think that steroids are the only way you can get an awesome physique, there are some serious gaps in your BBing knowledge.

he lost to the dark side.....

 

[Sub-Zero]

I have a few questions for you

1. How would you modify training (reps and sets) for different muscle fiber types?

2. What is periodisation of training/contrast training?

3. What is CNS adaptation/CNS recovery?

4. What are the signs and symptoms of over-training?

5. How do you naturally manipulate insulin?

6. How do you naturally trigger GH release?

7. Which carb doesn't trigger insulin release but most strongly induces gluconeogenesis?

8. What amino acids are insulinogenic?

9. What amino acid induces protein synthesis?


Young Skywalker, you are only at the beginning of your training.

If you think that steroids are the only way you can get an awesome physique, there are some serious gaps in your BBing knowledge.

10. what cycle is that juicer running?

 

[puddlemonkey]

lol@natty comps

Its nothing but a bunch of ex juicers

 

[Sub-Zero]

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/051227/n_abrams_bodybuilder_051227.300w.jpg

that is my natural friend and coach, Mr. JuicerHead

 

[Tatyana]

10. what cycle is that juicer running?

I don't get this mind set and cynicism, I do think it is quite prevalent in the US because of the media.

Insta-everything.

However, I would suggest that if you set this aside for a wee bit (you can always go back to being cynical later), you might ask the question:

If they are NOT juicing and get those kinds of results, what are they doing?


100 % nattie, no fatburners, no diuretics.

I am A LOT bigger now as well, I think about 10 lbs of muscle.

 

[Tatyana]

lol@natty comps

Its nothing but a bunch of ex juicers

Some are.

FAME is meant to be 3 years clean, INBF is 5 or 7 years clean, the BNBF is 10 years clean.

 

[xrsist]

Some are.

FAME is meant to be 3 years clean, INBF is 5 or 7 years clean, the BNBF is 10 years clean.

how do they measure this when most aas other than nandrolone is clear from the system after 5 months?

 

[Tatyana]

how do they measure this when most aas other than nandrolone is clear from the system after 5 months?

Some people do cheat, no doubt.

But that is not all people.

Lie detector tests are also used.

And yes, I know that some people will say you can beat those too.

There are gaps in drug testing at every level.

My point is, if you really think that everyone lacks integrity and cheats, it really says more about you than it does about others.

Also, peeps would learn a lot more from those who have made great gains nattie.

There are also lads that use and don't make any gains.

It's not all about the steroids.

 

[bigmann245]

Some people do cheat, no doubt.

But that is not all people.

Lie detector tests are also used.

And yes, I know that some people will say you can beat those too.

There are gaps in drug testing at every level.

My point is, if you really think that everyone lacks integrity and cheats, it really says more about you than it does about others.

Also, peeps would learn a lot more from those who have made great gains nattie.

There are also lads that use and don't make any gains.

It's not all about the steroids.

im a graduate of the police academy and also navy sear school. they teach us to beat the box and we do it well. its not hard at all. the easiest way is to bite your cheek real hard and concentrate on that and not the questions. next i will teach yall how to beat a DUI........

 

[xrsist]

Some people do cheat, no doubt.

But that is not all people.

Lie detector tests are also used.

And yes, I know that some people will say you can beat those too.

There are gaps in drug testing at every level.

My point is, if you really think that everyone lacks integrity and cheats, it really says more about you than it does about others.

Also, peeps would learn a lot more from those who have made great gains nattie.

There are also lads that use and don't make any gains.

It's not all about the steroids.

lie detector tests in a sport, interesting.
i never said everyone cheats but alot more than "some" cheat, at any sport, competition etc not just BB

 

[ponyfitness]

Some are.

FAME is meant to be 3 years clean, INBF is 5 or 7 years clean, the BNBF is 10 years clean.

FAME was who did the show I was in. Their testing procedures are easy to beat which is why the shows are so popular even though the entry fees are super inflated.

 

[Tatyana]

FAME was who did the show I was in. Their testing procedures are easy to beat which is why the shows are so popular even though the entry fees are super inflated.

I think FAME has absolutely no integrity and it is a joke that they call themselves a nattie federation.

I know of one woman who received a lifetime ban from the BNBF for steroid use, and the next year she was the FAME champion.

Everyone knew about it as well.

Pathetic really.

 

[Mavafanculo]

And lastly

10. How would you test someone for the different muscle fiber composition they have?

vivisection. no anesthesia.


How much karma you give me if I get 8 out of the other 9 correct lol?

 

[Tatyana]

im a graduate of the police academy and also navy sear school. they teach us to beat the box and we do it well. its not hard at all. the easiest way is to bite your cheek real hard and concentrate on that and not the questions. next i will teach yall how to beat a DUI........

I think that the scientists/technologists performing the tests watch for those sorts of things.

I have done testing for drugs of abuse, mostly heroin and methadone compliance, and it is HILARIOUS some of the things people think that they can get away with to mask their samples.

Like the people who are highly trained in this area are naive and stupid and have never heard any of these techniques before.

 

[Tatyana]

vivisection. no anesthesia.


How much karma you give me if I get 8 out of the other 9 correct lol?

Without a biopsy.

 

[Mavafanculo]

Without a biopsy.

The professor cant change the test question during grading. It's in the rules.

 

[Mavafanculo]

Without a biopsy.

I would think without a biopsy, its just an educated guess, but

1) based on bodytype as a first shot (ecto = slow twitch predominent, meso = fast tewitch predominent)

2) clinically based on performance tests (explosive strength vs endurence)

 

[GUARDIAN]

I would think without a biopsy, its just an educated guess, but

1) based on bodytype as a first shot (ecto = slow twitch predominent, meso = fast tewitch predominent)

2) clinically based on performance tests (explosive strength vs endurence)

show off....lol

 

[binö]

I don't get this mind set and cynicism, I do think it is quite prevalent in the US because of the media. Insta-everything.

However, I would suggest that if you set this aside for a wee bit (you can always go back to being cynical later), you might ask the question:

If they are NOT juicing and get those kinds of results, what are they doing?


100 % nattie, no fatburners, no diuretics.

I am A LOT bigger now as well, I think about 10 lbs of muscle.

[]

stfu with your constant jabs at america, you sound like an elitist europig

 

[Mavafanculo]

show off....lol

or dunce. she hasnt said thats the right answer

 

[Tatyana]

stfu with your constant jabs at america, you sound like an elitist europig

I guess you haven't heard me go on about the Germans yet then

Hun, it 's the English way, we take the mic out of everything, ourselves included.



However, I got that take from one of your countrymen, and it was mentioned in Steroid Nation.


Mava, I will post the muscle fiber training technique in the training section.

 

[GUARDIAN]

or dunce. she hasnt said thats the right answer

i think u r. i looked up alot of your answers out of boredom. i think u r spot on!

 

[Mavafanculo]

stfu with your constant jabs at america, you sound like an elitist europig

thats pretty fucking rude without cause to anyone much less a mod who wasnt even talking to you. i think you owe Tat an apology

 

[timtim]

I have a few questions for you

1. How would you modify training (reps and sets) for different muscle fiber types?

2. What is periodisation of training/contrast training?

3. What is CNS adaptation/CNS recovery?

4. What are the signs and symptoms of over-training?

5. How do you naturally manipulate insulin?

6. How do you naturally trigger GH release?

7. Which carb doesn't trigger insulin release but most strongly induces gluconeogenesis?

8. What amino acids are insulinogenic?

9. What amino acid induces protein synthesis?


Young Skywalker, you are only at the beginning of your training.

If you think that steroids are the only way you can get an awesome physique, there are some serious gaps in your BBing knowledge.

please answer all of these. i am very interested.

 

[Tatyana]

I have a few questions for you

1. How would you modify training (reps and sets) for different muscle fiber types?

Slow Twitch (type 1A) - 55-65% intensity with training more than 90 sec - or light training, high reps 12-20 things like running fall into this category

Fast Twitch (type 2A) 70-80% intensity with training between 25-89 sec- moderate training, 6-12 rep range

Fast Twitch (type 2B) 85-100% intensity with training between 0-25 sec-heavy, 6-12 rep range

Fast twitch muscle has the greater capacity for hypertrophy

2. What is periodisation of training/contrast training?

A trained athlete can adapt to a routine within 4-6 workouts, so changing your routine frequently (exercises, rep ranges, intensity) is periodisation.

Contrast training is similar, however you would follow something like a high rep German volume training for 3-6 weeks followed by the same period of time doing lower reps heavy training.

3. What is CNS adaptation/CNS recovery?

CNS = central nervous system

CNS adaptation is the neural 'programming' that occurs as we learn to do new movements. So initially, doing some movements like squats, front squat or more advanced, a back flip are difficult until the brain lays down a 'firing pattern' for this movement.

Even though your muscles may be recovered, it often takes the CNS longer to recover, so you have those days when you don't feel physically tired, but just can't lift what you have in the previous sessions.

4. What are the signs and symptoms of over-training?

Feeling burnt out (don't want to go to the gym), moodiness, difficulty in sleeping, decreased appetite, being clumsy, not being able to lift what you have previously, weight loss, loss of libido, more injuries

5. How do you naturally manipulate insulin?

For bodybuilders, you want to spike insulin post-training, and the biggest spike you will get is from the combination of a whey isolate and a simple carb like waxy maize, rice cakes, dextrose, glucose........

To keep insulin levels stable through out the day, small frequent meals with complex carbs, protein, fibre and fat slow down the digestion of carbs, so the insulin response is not 'spiked'.

6. How do you naturally trigger GH release?

Training intensely, especially the 'big lifts' like squats and deadlifts

Deep sleep

Hunger - the 'hunger' hormone gherelin triggers GH secretion

GH is released when we sleep, so don't take in carbs in your last meal before bed, however, some of the latest research shows that 4-6 g of arginine will assist in a greater insulin release.

GH and insulin act in opposition, so when insulin is high, GH is low and vice versa

7. Which carb doesn't trigger insulin release but most strongly induces gluconeogenesis?

Fructose really doesn't elicit an insulin response, but is the strongest inducer of gluconeogenesis (the central pathway of metabolism where carbs/glucose is turned into energy that the cells can use - ATP)

8. What amino acids are insulinogenic?

BCAAs - branched chain amino acids, leucine, isoleucine and valine

Milk is highly insulinogenic, and also contains valine.



9. What amino acid induces protein synthesis?

Leucine induces the mTOR pathway of protein sythesis, about 4 g post-workout is beneficial for this.


Young Skywalker, you are only at the beginning of your training.

If you think that steroids are the only way you can get an awesome physique, there are some serious gaps in your BBing knowledge.

It is all about training and dieting smart.

I think most people jump on the steroids before they have really sorted out a solid training or diet program.

 

[GUARDIAN]

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It is all about training and dieting smart.

I think most people jump on the steroids before they have really sorted out a solid training or diet program.

 

[str8nubin]

Hey Tat, I wanted to say (at first) yeah your coach is a jooser... LOL...

But then I remembered his bodyweight is merely 180-190 and I'm guessing he isn't too tall and obviously his BF is quite low...

You can attain that with a lifetime of training, I don't give a rats a$$ about genetics...

As for the reason I suspected him, like others are saying, he has that dried look and mad striations.

However I remember reading posts from Ingram where he discussed things like that fact he doesn't use diuretics during contest prep because he comes in looking too "flat", I can't remember exactly what he did but I know he decreased his water intake substantially over a decent period of time. Granted Ingram posts his cycles and mentions he includes things like winstrol/masteron HOWEVER, Ingram comes in looking mad-ripped =)

So I will suspend my disbelief until somebody gives me a solid reason

 

[timtim]

It is all about training and dieting smart.

I think most people jump on the steroids before they have really sorted out a solid training or diet program.

thank you. i am actually in the opposite boat. i am coming up on 20 years of training under my belt and am starting to leave the aas mindset. naturally now (1 year off) i still look great and am really pushing the natural boundaries for myself. its interesting. i actually think i look better as i am tightening up. i went from 5'5" 196 (over 200 over the winter) to right now 186 with about 5 to 8 pounds left to drop. havent lost much if any muscle. its different. people keep asking me what im doing different. i am a believer in the ability to look great naturally. not juiceball great, but great nonetheless.

 

[Mavafanculo]

It is all about training and dieting smart.

I think most people jump on the steroids before they have really sorted out a solid training or diet program.

I think the issue of leucine being insulinogenic is unsettled or at least has had conflicting studies in the past.

some studies showed no insulin secretion with leucine given to fasted subjects (mice or men? ) -- others showed no hypoglycemia in fasted subjects (which you'dd expect if insulinogenic) (might have been in same study). But others showed insulin release.

dont know which are the most recent or best designed, only that there were questions