Guys, Tbol can give some Dbol sides. Did it to me and I know I had BD Tbol. I get puffy from most gear. Shit, Var even bloats me, (Yes, I test my gear). So I did some Tbol at the tail end of a EQ/Test cycle. Shit did harden me and make me more vascular with no bloat whatsoever, hit within a few days! I did get some headaches. Also the kidneys and lower back did hurt in the beginning, but went away. Tried anywhere from 40mg - 60mg. Then went back to var for the last two weeks to see the difference. Same shit var always does to me, major pumps and some bloat. Tbol is something I like, but the headaches did suck for me......