My Ultimate Post Cycle Recovery:

[Little Rage]

Planning on running this after next cycle: Need to start stocking up, so let me know what u think.

Avena Sativa: 2500mg ed
Maca: 900mg ed
Clen: 120mcg ed
Liquidex: .5mg ed
r-ALA: 500mg ed
Zinc: 60mg ed
Yohimburn 1 dose a day on abs
Milktistle 1g ED
Multivitamin
Creatine 20g ED
hcg - 500iu ED - for total of 7500iu
Insulin – 5 days on, 2 off. 10IU ed

 

[lawnsaver]

Why HCG? It doesnt do anything for HPTA recovery. I dont see clomid?

Please tell me you arent listening to Nelson's view on clomid and how it doesnt work.

 

[Little Rage]

HCG is used in the beginning of recovery to quickly increase testicular size. it acts like LH, and causes the testicles to produce testosterone just as if LH were present

as for clomid i don't doubt it works, but i'll pass on it due to the sides i get. I feel it is not necessary ecspecially with the other stuff i am using.

 

[DeepZenPill]

Looks good, but personally i wouldn't combine the clen and creatine. It seems like they're working against each other. You're trying to increase water retention with the creatine, but the clen's gonna make you piss it out.

 

[The Terminator]

I dont see clomid?

Please tell me you arent listening to Nelson's view on clomid and how it doesnt work.

While you were gone Nelson somehow converted most of the board against clomid...Oh well, it works well for me so I will continue using it...

 

[oubeta]

Looks great, I did Aventa at 3g's a day and it helped a lot. I used clomid for only a week and recovered very fast.

 

[Nelson Montana]

outbeta: Your experience proves that some "natural" help can even assist the drug use.

Terminator: You're one of the lucky ones so I won't try and convert you. But have your tried the proviron/herbal stack combo?

I agree with Deep Zen: Clen and creatine work against each other, and neither really helps recovery.

 

[The Terminator]

Terminator: You're one of the lucky ones so I won't try and convert you. But have your tried the proviron/herbal stack combo?

I did use Avena and Tribulus along with my normal therapy last time. (I would not have tried Avena on my own), so I guess you partially converted me ...(and the results were pretty good actually )

 

[Little Rage]

well i'd rather pass on the creatine then.

as for the clen, it doesn't help with the recovery but helps with keeping gains post cycle, at least i have had great results when using it... it gives me that extra energy for a good workout.

The same goes for the slin, it is not needed for post recovery but i will be using it for the same reason i am on it now: to help keep the gains, if not try to add a little extra.

 

[bumpo]

Planning on running this after next cycle: Need to start stocking up, so let me know what u think.

Avena Sativa: 2500mg ed
Maca: 900mg ed
Clen: 120mcg ed
Liquidex: .5mg ed
r-ALA: 500mg ed
Zinc: 60mg ed
Yohimburn 1 dose a day on abs
Milktistle 1g ED
Multivitamin
Creatine 20g ED
hcg - 500iu ED - for total of 7500iu
Insulin – 5 days on, 2 off. 10IU ed

BRO? clomid works, but if you refuse to use it get some Nolva and add tribulus aswell

 

[Little Rage]

I am not saying that clmoid does not work, i have ran it in the past but as stated above, i can do without the sides i get from it.

as for the nolvadex: i am running the ldex throughout the cycle so i will just keep running it the same post cycle, so no need to switch.

 

[lawnsaver]

Nolvadex work much differently than A-dex. N-dex actually work along the same pathways as clomid, but doesnt cause the acne and mood swings.


Also, i am fully aware of how HCG works...I have a little knowledge on the subject.

What I meant was, you shouldnt take HCG post cycle as it will only prolong your recovery. HCG should be used while androgens are still present, as it will still revert atrophy, but wont prolong recovery.

 

[_Yossarian_]

What I meant was, you shouldnt take HCG post cycle as it will only prolong your recovery. HCG should be used while androgens are still present, as it will still revert atrophy, but wont prolong recovery.

HCG can be used in the presesence of androgens when the cycle has ended if you are using a sonewhat long ester compound enan, cyp, ets) Excellent post cycle therapy article:


http://www.mindandmuscle.net/magazine/i7postcycle.html

 

[Little Rage]

Tribulus and zinc are basically unproven, but used zinc in the pass, so hell it can't hurt to use.

I am choosing to keep running the ldex for a few reasons:
*I hold almost no water with liquidex as opposed to nolvadex, even when i was up to 40mg ed. so why get off ldex and bloat post cycle.
*clomid/ldex are bind to estrogen receptor sites in the pituitary gland, so when the sights are filled estrogen can't get to them. ndex does the same thing but uses different sites, which is mostly the breast, but has the same function of clomid. so no need to really switch over unless really prone to gyno.
*I had great results doing it after my last cycle while test levels returned to normal.
*finially, just for the sake of supressing the estrogen further.

As for the HCG, most people suggest using it only after long cycles and being that mine is only 10wks i believe i can pass on it.


On another note, I will be using nolvadex post cycle when my current cycle is done. (this will be my 1st time to use it for post cycle)

 

[DeepZenPill]

as for the clen, it doesn't help with the recovery but helps with keeping gains post cycle, at least i have had great results when using it... it gives me that extra energy for a good workout.

Yeah I agree. I like clen post cycle because it helps me trim some fat and gives me a decent strength boost in the gym. It also makes me real sleepy during the day, so a nap is always necessary, but I don't mind a little sleep