well winny because my everyone I spoke with agreed that wintrol worked very well for women as long as they don abuse it ... well I guess I just cant handle it ..There are very few things that we can take .. Clen had the least sides so I figured I could try that .. My second choice will be anavar ... My husband is also trying his first cycle ... We thought we could do it together .. We work out about 4 to 5 days a week ... I am sticking to the low carbs ..