My First Test Shot!

[Discreet User]

I just pinned my first ever Test shot!

It was completely painless!

I was nervous and almost backed down at the last second, then I just thought about all the good advice I've gotten from you bros. I pushed the needle in, aspirated, pushed in the cypionate and out the needle came!

What a great feeling to finally have done that! I put it off for a long time and now I see that it's really no big deal.

So now an issue that arose along the way, I could not get 2ml into the syringe. I'm using 25 gauge 1 1/2 inch. I pulled in 2ml of air, stuck it in the vial, pushed in the air, and then after taking forever I just decided to pin 1ml for this first time. Did I do something wrong? Why was it so difficult to get the cypionate into the syringe?

Next thing, when I aspirated, once deep inside the muscle, two little bubbles came into the syringe. Is this ok? I am sure there was no air in the syringe before I pinned, because I squirted a drop of cyp out before injecting.

Thanks in advance for your replies bros. If it wasn't for this forum I would not have felt comfortable doing IM injections for myself.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I've only got a couple cycles under my belt so far and I've never pinned more than 1.5ml at a time, but then I do alot of upper body shots like delts and pecs.

Before drawing the oil from the vial you want to pull back about as much on the syringe as you plan on withdrawing before putting the needle into the vial. Then push the air into the vial and then start withdrawing the oil. This creates pressure in your typical 10ml vial that helps to get it out.

2 little bubbles aren't going to hurt you. Tap the bubs to the top and then let some oil run down the needle. If you get some air when aspirating don't worry about it.

Grats on your first pin.

 

[Discreet User]

Thanks bro.
I'm excited for this test to really kick in later this cycle so I can grow like never before!

I've only got a couple cycles under my belt so far and I've never pinned more than 1.5ml at a time, but then I do alot of upper body shots like delts and pecs.

Before drawing the oil from the vial you want to pull back about as much on the syringe as you plan on withdrawing before putting the needle into the vial. Then push the air into the vial and then start withdrawing the oil. This creates pressure in your typical 10ml vial that helps to get it out.

2 little bubbles aren't going to hurt you. Tap the bubs to the top and then let some oil run down the needle. If you get some air when aspirating don't worry about it.

Grats on your first pin.

 

[HAYEZ]

I never put air in the vial....
bad idea to load the vial with outside air...its like taking the lid off and letting your sterile vial sit open..i never did get why people did that...using amps is risky enough because of the exposure

 

[Only1eagle]

I never put air in the vial....
bad idea to load the vial with outside air...its like taking the lid off and letting your sterile vial sit open..i never did get why people did that...using amps is risky enough because of the exposure

If you dont put air into the vial to replace the space that is withdrawn then you have created a suction inside the vial. Ever notice oil on the stopper the next time you go to pin and you can swear you didnt spill any? its the vial sucking in outside air to replace what is lost.

Trust me even with Human Grade gear the air in the vial is not sterile.

 

[HAYEZ]

If you dont put air into the vial to replace the space that is withdrawn then you have created a suction inside the vial. Ever notice oil on the stopper the next time you go to pin and you can swear you didnt spill any? its the vial sucking in outside air to replace what is lost.

Trust me even with Human Grade gear the air in the vial is not sterile.

never have i put air in my vials in 7 years...def wont start now..i like to leave whats in the vial in the vial,
i was meaning breaking amp tops off for the human grade

 

[goal245]

I'm using 25 gauge 1 1/2 inch. Did I do something wrong? Why was it so difficult to get the cypionate into the syringe?

Because you are using a 25guage needle, get some 21's and it will load quickly.

 

[Discreet User]

Because you are using a 25guage needle, get some 21's and it will load quickly.

I was thinking that might be the case.

So it just takes longer with a 25 gauge?

When I tried to draw the cyp it was like there was no air in the vial and the plunger just wanted to return back to 0.

 

[HAYEZ]

I was thinking that might be the case.

So it just takes longer with a 25 gauge?

When I tried to draw the cyp it was like there was no air in the vial and the plunger just wanted to return back to 0.

i draw with 20 gauges only and inject with 25 gauge only...no problems here with drawing ever

 

[deestar]

Yes, the smaller the needle the slower the draw. With 23ga it's reasonable, 25 and up and it can take a while. Drawing oil with a 29ga insulin syringe is a pain.

Regarding drawing in air prior to sticking the needle in the vial: this is the common medical practice. If you don't feel the need to do this, then don't - but there's no need to be overly concerned about airborne particulate, unless you're shooting up in a grass seed warehouse or something.

D

 

[deestar]

Oh, and if you feel like saving some time and spending some money, you can always get fatter needles for drawing, then swap out to a smaller needle for injecting. Just be careful not to go too large. I ordered some 18ga needles thinking it would make drawing the oil a breeze, but the first time I used one I got a chunk of rubber stopper in the syringe. Lesson learned. I wouldn't go any larger than 21ga.

 

[stevesmi]

i agree draw with a thicker needle. oil based stuff is harder to load obviously.

secondly make sure the syringe is pushed all the way where the juice is at the top then continue drawing. it may take 2-3 times for all the juice to go into the syringe.

yes its a good idea to load up to 2CC's but i go to 3 on days when i just want to get it over with but make sure you go SLOW and leave it in there to let the muscle take it. if you pull out fast some of your juice will come out and you will have wasted some.

 

[Discreet User]

Thanks for all the input bros

 

[pbhardbody]

get some 20g needles for drawing like others are saying. then switch the end off and pin with the 25g. the problem is that the 25g allows a much smaller stream of test into the syringe. the 20g will draw it right up.

 

[C.K.]

Whoever said shooting air into the vial is a bad idea is dumb... pretty sure the entire needle passed through the "contaminated and unsterial" air twice before injection...

 

[Ezekiel]

Whoever said shooting air into the vial is a bad idea is dumb... pretty sure the entire needle passed through the "contaminated and unsterial" air twice before injection...

That was Hayez...someone w/ a ton of experience m8! To each his own.. calling ppl dumb is not cool... especially considering you are esentially a noob yourself given your size, age and the amount of cycles you may or may not have done... I know you offer tons of advice on here, but most of it is shite... keep your comments about others to yourself.

As per the original question; I draw w/ 18's and pin w/ 23's .

 

[C.K.]

Have you ever gotten a shot at the hospitol? Pretty sure that's medical procedure...

 

[HAYEZ]

Whoever said shooting air into the vial is a bad idea is dumb... pretty sure the entire needle passed through the "contaminated and unsterial" air twice before injection...

i said it . pump your vial full of air if you want to...ill stick to what i do

 

[Discreet User]

Hey bros,
I'm not too happy to see a mini war breaking out over air/no air. I appreciate all you guys' input. I'm not a fan of put downs either. We all stand to learn something here on EF.

Anyway, it appears the prevailing view is that I need a larger pin for drawing in the fluid, then switch to a smaller one for injection. Seems like a good idea. That way I'll have a fresh pin on there for injection, one that has not passed through the rubber stopper.

Honestly, 25 gauge really wasn't bad for shooting. Even though I did draw with it and put it through the rubber stopper, I do not feel any pain at the injection site today.

Thanks again for all the input bros.

 

[Discreet User]

i have thought the same thing every time i crack open one of my Organon sustanon 250's.......

they ARE tasty though

still........ just seems like a bad idea to have anything in the air get in the juice right before you put it inside your body!

The thing I don't understand is, how will I be able to draw without inserting air?

Isn't the vial a vacuum?

I'm all for not inserting air into the vial if I can do it that way without problems.

 

[C.K.]

If you're using a larger needle to draw you're poking a hole in the rubber large enough to replace the oil with air... Think about it!

 

[HAYEZ]

If you're using a larger needle to draw you're poking a hole in the rubber large enough to replace the oil with air... Think about it!

you do what ya want..i know if i have a 50ml bottle of test im not pumping air into it 50 times till its empty everytime i draw a ml...to each his own but ive made it 7 years without a infection (3 years of daily injects)which is more i can say about most others

 

[Discreet User]

you do what ya want..i know if i have a 50ml bottle of test im not pumping air into it 50 times till its empty everytime i draw a ml...to each his own but ive made it 7 years without a infection (3 years of daily injects)which is more i can say about most others

So will I be able to draw normally without inserting any air?

I want to try it your way, but I had a very tough time drawing last time even with the extra air.

 

[Ezekiel]

So will I be able to draw normally without inserting any air?

I want to try it your way, but I had a very tough time drawing last time even with the extra air.

If you use a larger gauge needle to draw w/ you will have no troubles...

 

[Discreet User]

If you use a larger gauge needle to draw w/ you will have no troubles...

Thanks

 

[HAYEZ]

ezekial is correct...drawing with a 25 gauge or 23 is terrible...20 gauge and your good to go

 

[Discreet User]

Today I decided to give a 29 gauge insulin pin a shot (literally)

The 29 drew just like the 25.

I pinned calf and was amazed at the injection. The needle slid in with very little force.

The injection was also extremely fast.

I am using Teva Testosterone Cypionate in cottonseed oil 200mg/ml.

The only issue I had was that I couldn't get the last little air bubble out of the syringe before injecting...

 

[goal245]

Today I decided to give a 29 gauge insulin pin a shot (literally)

The 29 drew just like the 25.

I pinned calf and was amazed at the injection. The needle slid in with very little force.

The injection was also extremely fast.

I am using Teva Testosterone Cypionate in cottonseed oil 200mg/ml.

The only issue I had was that I couldn't get the last little air bubble out of the syringe before injecting...

If you are using insulin pins for injection then you should draw with a regular syringe then remove the plunger from the insulin pin and squirt the oil through the back and then replace the plunger, makes things go alot faster.

 

[Discreet User]

If you are using insulin pins for injection then you should draw with a regular syringe then remove the plunger from the insulin pin and squirt the oil through the back and then replace the plunger, makes things go alot faster.

Thanks for the suggestion. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the 29 gauge did not take very long at all. The injection site is barely noticeable now (12 hours later).

I'm going to continue on with insulin pins for now.

With all due respect bro, your suggestion to, "remove the plunger from the insulin pin and squirt the oil through the back and then replace the plunger" is not sterile.

Thank you for your response, I appreciate seeing different people's points of view.

 

[kx250rider]

25g is way too thin, especially to draw from the vial with. I use an 18 to draw, and a 19 or 20 at 1.5" to inject (glutes), or 21g at 1" for delts and quads. You can use as small as 23g to inject, but it's going to be a lot easier with a heavier gauge, if you get used to the needle sticks. As far as the air being pushed into the vial, I do that, and I don't think there are any issues with airborne contaminants affecting the contents. The air isn't sterile when the vial is sealed... I'm not worried for myself at least.

Charles

 

[guayacan07]

I'm on my first cycle ever. I use 23 gauge needles to draw and to inject. Use 50 mg/ml Boldenone to cut the Test and minimize site pain.