My First Cycle

[*The_West*]

oh yeah lol, it may take your arse a while to get used to the high protein lol. i could clear a room when i started eating like this. it calms down after a while though.
seriously though mate, and i mean this, im not just telling you you're not ready for seroids just yet, to make myself feel big and powerful, i genuinely mean that you have far more natural growth ahead of you, if you eat big, lift big, and rest enough, you seriously will grow. stick to this diet for 12 weeks and i bet you ave put on close to 10lbs, if not a little more. after a few years, when your growth slows down, then it may be time to start using light doses of test/a little dbol. good luck, happy training.

 

[joe d]

here is what i think you need to do.

eat 8 meals per day (do not eat clean)

get in as many grams of protein, carbs, calories, fat as you can in each of those meals. the more you junk your diet the more of these you will be able to fit in you. you could go to a resteraunt and get 1 single cheese burger and fries that has about 60g protein and 100g carbs and 50g fat probably about 1000 cals. this will help you grow.

im not saying eat every meal this way but if you want to put on some mass you are going to need to fit a lot more food in you.

also when you drink shakes make them in whole milk.

go to bed earlier and get up half way through and drink a shake then go back to bed.

the gear will not give you a jump start. the gear makes your body able to use more food faster.
if you are not eating enough (your not) you will get nothing from it.

 

[fangz]

when bulking i like to keep a protein shake and a bottle of water next to my bed, so when i wake up at about 4am (like i usually do) i just mix it up, down it, go back to sleep.

this is just an example of a diet. obviously, times would probably be different for you, but are you starting to see how much food you need to grow? people vastly underestimate this, get shit results and think "oh this isnt working, i need steroids to grow" when 9 times out of 10 it is a matter of getting their diet sorted.
as an ectomorph, you really are looking at upwards of 3500cals a day, at least 250g protein, up to 500g carbs, maybe 100g fat (from nuts, oily fish, avocado etc)

i think your 100% correct, because when i wasn't getting the expected results from training alone and my current diet, i looked to steroids as a last resort and (definatley not as a short cut) as a i guess a way to break through this wall and pack on size that my genetics wouldn't allow!

 

[ConanX]

Dude you got the juice sitting there. Hold onto it bro. It ain't goin' anywhere, so don't worry. Just save it for later.

As everybody has been saying, EAT! You should eat like every 2.5hrs and when you have these meals, stuff yourself with a shitload of protein and complex carbs. Lift HEAVY (not to the point of injury but you know what I mean). Get a good 8 hours of sleep. Within a few short months you should be much bigger and stronger. Check in with us and let us know how you progress.

 

[*The_West*]

joe d is spot on, one of the (admittedly, few lol) advantages to being an ectomorph, is that your diet doesn't have to be 100% clean. as a skinny ectomorph, as long as you are getting enough protein, you can basically eat the whole kitchen! i cheat probably once a week (once a day lol) and i still got abs.

 

[*The_West*]

so, now we have diet covered, what is your training split like?

 

[fangz]

Dude you got the juice sitting there. Hold onto it bro. It ain't goin' anywhere, so don't worry. Just save it for later.

As everybody has been saying, EAT! You should eat like every 2.5hrs and when you have these meals, stuff yourself with a shitload of protein and complex carbs. Lift HEAVY (not to the point of injury but you know what I mean). Get a good 8 hours of sleep. Within a few short months you should be much bigger and stronger. Check in with us and let us know how you progress.

i will, i guess the juice can wait......or hopefully do away with it all together

all u guys are champions, i have received more info in the last 2hrs than i have in the last 2 years lol,

i appreciate all the support and guiding me in the right direction

 

[fangz]

so, now we have diet covered, what is your training split like?

the fun part, lol

i dont really have set days for eg. mon legs, tue chest, wed back
i try to concentrate on compound exercises
i aim to fail at 6-8reps and do 3 sets of every exersise

i usually do say but i mix it up
day1, deadfilfs, squats, calf raise, leg press, leg extentions
day2, pullups, chinups, standing barbell sholder press
day3, benchpress, incline dumbell press, cable cross overs + bi's
rest,
day5, barbell rows, lat pull downs, seated cable row, pullups + tri's

then start over

i do a lot more but i dont know the names of the exercises

 

[*The_West*]

the fun part, lol

i dont really have set days for eg. mon legs, tue chest, wed back
i try to concentrate on compound exercises
i aim to fail at 6-8reps and do 3 sets of every exersise

i usually do say but i mix it up
day1, deadfilfs, squats, calf raise, leg press, leg extentions
day2, pullups, chinups, standing barbell sholder press
day3, benchpress, incline dumbell press, cable cross overs + bi's
rest,
day5, barbell rows, lat pull downs, seated cable row, pullups + tri's

then start over

i do a lot more but i dont know the names of the exercises

there you go, another reason why you haven't been getting the results you wanted. you are correct for concentrating on compound movements, but you need to work out a good split, this way you can journal your training, add small increases to your lifts each time, and accurately guage your progress.

i think in the weight lifting/training section here there a few great routines like the beginner 3x5 or intermediate 5x5. but one of the best routines i did, is a simple monday-legs/shoulders, wednesday-chest/triceps, friday-back/biceps.
you might want to start thinking about finding yourself a training partner.

 

[fangz]

there you go, another reason why you haven't been getting the results you wanted. you are correct for concentrating on compound movements, but you need to work out a good split, this way you can journal your training, add small increases to your lifts each time, and accurately guage your progress.

i think in the weight lifting/training section here there a few great routines like the beginner 3x5 or intermediate 5x5. but one of the best routines i did, is a simple monday-legs/shoulders, wednesday-chest/triceps, friday-back/biceps.
you might want to start thinking about finding yourself a training partner.

i have had 2 training partners in the past but their to unreliable, they won't train if they have a sore finger or ichy left nut, so i train solo...lol

whats this 3x5 & 5x5???