My First Cycle

[fangz]

Hey guys,

as the title states, this will be my first cycle, i live in australia and gear is pretty hard to get a hold of here, but i managed to get a hold of:

10ml deca 250
10ml eq 250
10ml test prop 200
10ml super test 300
all by thai phoenix

I have been training for almost 2 years now, Im 24 years old, weigh around 135-140 pounds prob around 10-12% body fat

i put a cycle together and i would like to hear what u guys think.....

week 1-10 super test @300mg week
week 2-11 eq @250mg week
week 4-9 deca @500mg week (wk 4&9 250mg)
week 4-9 test prop @400mg week (wk4&9 200mg)

i will be injecting twice a week (wk 4&9)

so, there it is, my first cycle.

thanks guys,
Fangz

 

[rambleon]

Hi bro

How tall are u?

Reason i'm asking is that i can't help thinking that 140 lbs sounds like u have a ways to go yet before u reach ur natural potential. If u start aas use before reaching that potential there is a price:
U will in all proability need aas to grow from then on. An since keeping gains from cycles is demanding (even experienced users keep only a percentage) u might end up needing aas to maintain a level u could've reached naturally if u'd been patient in the first place.

Think about it. Ur stash will keep several years so no worries there.

On the other hand if u insist on taking the plunge now the first run should be something like:

1-8 super test 300 mg ew (split into 2 injections)

On a first run it's considered a good idea to limit it to one compound so that if problems occur u'll know their source an be able to take corrective action.

Save the deca and such for later. The test alone will yield great results if ur diet's on point.

Anyways good luck man.

 

[*The_West*]

140lbs? sorry to be frank with you, but step away from the juice. steroids should not be seen as a shortcut, or easy route, to a more muscular physique. they are a tool an already advanced/highly trained athlete can use to take their sport/physique to the next level.
you say you have been training for 2 years, how much did you weigh before you started?

 

[fangz]

i weighed about 117pounds (53kg) before i stared working out and as far as height im 5' 10''
i have a good diet (steak, chicken, veggies ect) and just cant put on the pounds.

this is not a short cut for me but as a potential to put on some weight

ill put up some pics of my self and my gear

 

[*The_West*]

i weighed about 117pounds (53kg) before i stared working out and as far as height im 5' 10''
i have a good diet (steak, chicken, veggies ect) and just cant put on the pounds.

this is not a short cut for me but as a potential to put on some weight

ill put up some pics of my self and my gear

you're diet can be as "good" as you like, but if you're not eating enough of it, you wont grow, simple as.
i take it you, like me, are an ectomorph. the amount of calories needed to grow, and maintain, is huge. start by posting up a typical days diet, and i bet you anything you could put on another 10-15 lbs in 12 weeks just by eating more.
you ARE looking at steroids as a shortcut, do you realise that unless you really know how to eat/train for mass gain, you will eventually lose whatever mass you gain on steroids.

 

[fangz]

you're diet can be as "good" as you like, but if you're not eating enough of it, you wont grow, simple as.
i take it you, like me, are an ectomorph. the amount of calories needed to grow, and maintain, is huge. start by posting up a typical days diet, and i bet you anything you could put on another 10-15 lbs in 12 weeks just by eating more.
you ARE looking at steroids as a shortcut, do you realise that unless you really know how to eat/train for mass gain, you will eventually lose whatever mass you gain on steroids.

ok,

breakfast, cup of oats with milk or cerial + weight gain shake
snack, subway footlong italian bmt or rice with chicken
lunch, either steak or chicken with veggies (broc, cart, cul flr, peas)
snack, yogurt or nuts with weight gain shake (before gym)
after gym, shake (cycle creatine every 2months or so)
dinner, maybe pasta or something like lunch

and sometimes i have a third shake

 

[fangz]

ok here are some pictures of myself and the gear

i know, i know.........im skinny, lol

 

[rambleon]

looking at those i concur with west:

Step away from the juice and look to your diet.

 

[*The_West*]

breakfast 8 am- 6 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 4 rashers of bacon
pre lunch 10 am- 150g tin of tuna
lunch 12 pm- 200g chicken breast, brown rice
2pm- pasta(pre workout carbs) with some form of protein in there
post workout- 50g oats, 100g peanut butter, 6 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, a litre of milk (blitz in a blender)
post workout meal 4 30 pm- 200g chicken breast, brown rice
dinner 6 30 pm-steak, new potatoes, green beans
late dinner 8 30 pm- chicken breast sandwich
last meal 10 30 pm- omelette, 4 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, cheese and ham
although i do hear a lot of people using cottage cheese for their last meal, as it contains casein, a form of slow released protein.

when bulking i like to keep a protein shake and a bottle of water next to my bed, so when i wake up at about 4am (like i usually do) i just mix it up, down it, go back to sleep.

this is just an example of a diet. obviously, times would probably be different for you, but are you starting to see how much food you need to grow? people vastly underestimate this, get shit results and think "oh this isnt working, i need steroids to grow" when 9 times out of 10 it is a matter of getting their diet sorted.
as an ectomorph, you really are looking at upwards of 3500cals a day, at least 250g protein, up to 500g carbs, maybe 100g fat (from nuts, oily fish, avocado etc)

 

[fangz]

breakfast 8 am- 6 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 4 rashers of bacon
pre lunch 10 am- 150g tin of tuna
lunch 12 pm- 200g chicken breast, brown rice
2pm- pasta(pre workout carbs) with some form of protein in there
post workout- 50g oats, 100g peanut butter, 6 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, a litre of milk (blitz in a blender)
post workout meal 4 30 pm- 200g chicken breast, brown rice
dinner 6 30 pm-steak, new potatoes, green beans
late dinner 8 30 pm- chicken breast sandwich
last meal 10 30 pm- omelette, 4 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, cheese and ham

good stuff, ill give it a go...... my salsa partner is gonna love the extra eggs lol

 

[*The_West*]

oh yeah lol, it may take your arse a while to get used to the high protein lol. i could clear a room when i started eating like this. it calms down after a while though.
seriously though mate, and i mean this, im not just telling you you're not ready for seroids just yet, to make myself feel big and powerful, i genuinely mean that you have far more natural growth ahead of you, if you eat big, lift big, and rest enough, you seriously will grow. stick to this diet for 12 weeks and i bet you ave put on close to 10lbs, if not a little more. after a few years, when your growth slows down, then it may be time to start using light doses of test/a little dbol. good luck, happy training.

 

[joe d]

here is what i think you need to do.

eat 8 meals per day (do not eat clean)

get in as many grams of protein, carbs, calories, fat as you can in each of those meals. the more you junk your diet the more of these you will be able to fit in you. you could go to a resteraunt and get 1 single cheese burger and fries that has about 60g protein and 100g carbs and 50g fat probably about 1000 cals. this will help you grow.

im not saying eat every meal this way but if you want to put on some mass you are going to need to fit a lot more food in you.

also when you drink shakes make them in whole milk.

go to bed earlier and get up half way through and drink a shake then go back to bed.

the gear will not give you a jump start. the gear makes your body able to use more food faster.
if you are not eating enough (your not) you will get nothing from it.

 

[fangz]

when bulking i like to keep a protein shake and a bottle of water next to my bed, so when i wake up at about 4am (like i usually do) i just mix it up, down it, go back to sleep.

this is just an example of a diet. obviously, times would probably be different for you, but are you starting to see how much food you need to grow? people vastly underestimate this, get shit results and think "oh this isnt working, i need steroids to grow" when 9 times out of 10 it is a matter of getting their diet sorted.
as an ectomorph, you really are looking at upwards of 3500cals a day, at least 250g protein, up to 500g carbs, maybe 100g fat (from nuts, oily fish, avocado etc)

i think your 100% correct, because when i wasn't getting the expected results from training alone and my current diet, i looked to steroids as a last resort and (definatley not as a short cut) as a i guess a way to break through this wall and pack on size that my genetics wouldn't allow!

 

[ConanX]

Dude you got the juice sitting there. Hold onto it bro. It ain't goin' anywhere, so don't worry. Just save it for later.

As everybody has been saying, EAT! You should eat like every 2.5hrs and when you have these meals, stuff yourself with a shitload of protein and complex carbs. Lift HEAVY (not to the point of injury but you know what I mean). Get a good 8 hours of sleep. Within a few short months you should be much bigger and stronger. Check in with us and let us know how you progress.

 

[*The_West*]

joe d is spot on, one of the (admittedly, few lol) advantages to being an ectomorph, is that your diet doesn't have to be 100% clean. as a skinny ectomorph, as long as you are getting enough protein, you can basically eat the whole kitchen! i cheat probably once a week (once a day lol) and i still got abs.

 

[*The_West*]

so, now we have diet covered, what is your training split like?

 

[fangz]

Dude you got the juice sitting there. Hold onto it bro. It ain't goin' anywhere, so don't worry. Just save it for later.

As everybody has been saying, EAT! You should eat like every 2.5hrs and when you have these meals, stuff yourself with a shitload of protein and complex carbs. Lift HEAVY (not to the point of injury but you know what I mean). Get a good 8 hours of sleep. Within a few short months you should be much bigger and stronger. Check in with us and let us know how you progress.

i will, i guess the juice can wait......or hopefully do away with it all together

all u guys are champions, i have received more info in the last 2hrs than i have in the last 2 years lol,

i appreciate all the support and guiding me in the right direction

 

[fangz]

so, now we have diet covered, what is your training split like?

the fun part, lol

i dont really have set days for eg. mon legs, tue chest, wed back
i try to concentrate on compound exercises
i aim to fail at 6-8reps and do 3 sets of every exersise

i usually do say but i mix it up
day1, deadfilfs, squats, calf raise, leg press, leg extentions
day2, pullups, chinups, standing barbell sholder press
day3, benchpress, incline dumbell press, cable cross overs + bi's
rest,
day5, barbell rows, lat pull downs, seated cable row, pullups + tri's

then start over

i do a lot more but i dont know the names of the exercises

 

[*The_West*]

the fun part, lol

i dont really have set days for eg. mon legs, tue chest, wed back
i try to concentrate on compound exercises
i aim to fail at 6-8reps and do 3 sets of every exersise

i usually do say but i mix it up
day1, deadfilfs, squats, calf raise, leg press, leg extentions
day2, pullups, chinups, standing barbell sholder press
day3, benchpress, incline dumbell press, cable cross overs + bi's
rest,
day5, barbell rows, lat pull downs, seated cable row, pullups + tri's

then start over

i do a lot more but i dont know the names of the exercises

there you go, another reason why you haven't been getting the results you wanted. you are correct for concentrating on compound movements, but you need to work out a good split, this way you can journal your training, add small increases to your lifts each time, and accurately guage your progress.

i think in the weight lifting/training section here there a few great routines like the beginner 3x5 or intermediate 5x5. but one of the best routines i did, is a simple monday-legs/shoulders, wednesday-chest/triceps, friday-back/biceps.
you might want to start thinking about finding yourself a training partner.

 

[fangz]

there you go, another reason why you haven't been getting the results you wanted. you are correct for concentrating on compound movements, but you need to work out a good split, this way you can journal your training, add small increases to your lifts each time, and accurately guage your progress.

i think in the weight lifting/training section here there a few great routines like the beginner 3x5 or intermediate 5x5. but one of the best routines i did, is a simple monday-legs/shoulders, wednesday-chest/triceps, friday-back/biceps.
you might want to start thinking about finding yourself a training partner.

i have had 2 training partners in the past but their to unreliable, they won't train if they have a sore finger or ichy left nut, so i train solo...lol

whats this 3x5 & 5x5???

 

[*The_West*]

it used to be stickied at the top of the weight lifting forum here, not anymore it would seem.
Bodybuilding.com - Workout Of The Week - What Is The Best Rippetoe Workout?
check that out. it is a beginners strength/mass routine that works by increasing weight by 2.5% each session, to be run until, well, your lifts stall and you can no longer increase the poundages. that wouldnt be for at least a couple of months though. i haven't don this routine myself yet, but numerous others have has great success with it. try it, if you dont like it, you can always come back here, and myself, or one of the more knowledgable bros can help you work out a routine that works for you.

 

[Nelson Montana]

1: You haven't built enough muscle to hold gains you get from gear.

2: Up your calories and protein consumption and use BIG BLAST and UNLEASHED for six months and gain another 20 pounds.

3: Train harder.

4: READ THE RULES. OF THE BOARD. No source posting.

 

[WinnyPumps]

Bad idea buddy, you need to strive towards your natural limits before touching aas! If you're that skinny you are either not lifting heavy enough or not eating enough calories in a day. Eat a shitload of protein and good carbs like brown rice, sweet potatoes, whole wheat pasta, oatmeal, whole wheat bread, etc.... You could even have a decent amount of cheat meals and weight gainer shakes. Plus if your that light and your body gains weight so quick from all that aas you wanna take you will most likely lose half of it afterwards. For god sake you're 140!!!

 

[2evil]

Two words: Golden Corral

 

[jonny jacked]

Listen, the guys on here on smart (well, most of them) and are giving you some good advice. the diets listed (I didnt read all of them) are good. but here is the problem. you are a TOOTHPICK. an obvious ecto.
Fuck eating clean - what you need is to eat and eat everthing. you are in the unique position where you obviously burn calories fast and thus, can probably eat whatever you want and still be able to see your ribs.
start eating Macdonalds (they have those over there, or down there - or whatever - right?) eat ice cream, chips, pasta. etc. you need calories and lots of them.
as you stated. it is extremely hard for you to put on weight. which also means, that once you have it on, it will be easy to cut it back as you see fit.
as long as you are training you can eat whatever you want. I repeat DO NOT EAT CLEAN. EAT LIKE A FAT KID IN A CANDY STORE.

Some one here may disagree but what they fail to realize is that your case is unique in many aspects. you cannot approach your diet the same as someone who is 5'10" 200lbs.

Once you have put on the weight then and only then will you re-evaluate you diet and start eating clean. but until that time - have fun and eat like a slob!

..remember - Michael Phelps eats over 12,000 calories a day.. meaning, calories does not automatically mean you get fat - and with your body type and stated weight - you need the calories

 

[jonny jacked]

I forgot - buy a weight gainer protein mix - not whey. some of them have upwards of 1000 calories in one shake.
also, do not neglect the protein - it must stay high as well. but remember a McDonalds Big Mac had 25 - 30grams of protein and 540 kcal. so eat up!

 

[*The_West*]

fuck buying a weight gainer, make your own. and although, as an ectomorph, fast food is a tool you can use to gain weight, dont rely on it, i have seen many guys just end up skinny but with a belly.

 

[jonny jacked]

fuck buying a weight gainer, make your own. and although, as an ectomorph, fast food is a tool you can use to gain weight, dont rely on it, i have seen many guys just end up skinny but with a belly.

again, as long as you are still working out - eating fast food (ie high caloric intake) is not an issue.
also, even if you can some stomach fat - which is where ectos tend to gain it - once you hit your desired weight and then start a more stable / disciplined diet - it is easy to trim that added fat away.
you cannot grow without calories - and if you are hitting the gym hard and not getting enough - you will not grow.

This is a common mistake made by many young athletes without a good working knowledge of diet and fitness.
athletes require a much higher caloric intake than the average person.

you are correct. if the average person ate 10,000 calories a day they would get fat. but an athlete in training 10,000 is needed just TO MAINTAIN their current fitness levels. without adequate caloric intake, they begin to lose muscle and fatigue quickly

 

[d3c9685]

nice

 

[fangz]

fuck buying a weight gainer, make your own. and although, as an ectomorph, fast food is a tool you can use to gain weight, dont rely on it, i have seen many guys just end up skinny but with a belly.

lol, not an attractive look.....

i do buy weight gain mainly for its higher protein and carbs and have up to 3 a day and its quick n easy,
i get the Horleys Awesome Mass 475cal per serve with milk, or 300cal (75g serve) & 600cal (150g serve) with water

jonny jacked, yes we have maca's down here lol, the 800-1000cal shakes are like drinking mud and make u sick before u even finish it!!

 

[cuts82]

1: You haven't built enough muscle to hold gains you get from gear.

2: Up your calories and protein consumption and use BIG BLAST and UNLEASHED for six months and gain another 20 pounds.

3: Train harder.

4: READ THE RULES. OF THE BOARD. No source posting.

Agree with everything 110%