My First Cycle

[rudy76]

This is my idea for my first cycle / after a few more months cardio. I have read on the topic for about 20 hours and can answer all the little "noobie" quiz questions.

I have worked out for about 10 years (nothing too intense), played football, rugby, baseball. Tried 3 pro-hormone cycles with good diet and seen the expected results.

31 years old, 6'2", 240lbs, high BF %, about 19% and falling.

Here it is:
WK 1 - 750mg Sustanon front load
Wk 2 - 5, 30mg Thai Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ed
Wk 2 - 5, 250mg Sustanon EW
Wk 5 - 8, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 300mg EW
Wk 5 - 8, 500 mg Sust ED
Wk 5- 8, Winstrol oral 25mg ED
Wk 9 nothing
Wk 10, 100 mg Clomid ED
WK 10 - 13, 40mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - ED

Any Suggestions?

 

[cdownie927]

Is that serious 500mg sus everyday. Thats a lot, seems like a lot of shit for your first cycle, whats the second going to look like.

Stick with the basics youll grow fine for your first cycle.
sus1-10 500ew
deca 1-10 300ew
dbol 1-4 50mg aday

If you want to frontload add prop for the first 2 weeks at 100mg eod

 

[rudy76]

Sorry, EW on the 500 sust week 5-8

 

[cdownie927]

I like to run sus at 250 eod, I think you will get good results with that.

I would wait to use the winny to cut up

 

[rudy76]

I was going to take the low 25mg ed dose of winstrol just to help boost the free test level (as I have read it does). I think this would also then help me avoid deca dick and help ease in to PCT.

My second cycle would be completely different consisting of equipoise, test enanthate and winstrol depot. Don't know doses yet.

Then nothing but multi-vit, healthy diet, creatine and 300g of protein ed for a while.

 

[cdownie927]

I would skip the winny and use hcg the last three weeks of the cycle to kick start your levels. At that dose of 25mg by the time your liver processes it, it would be reduced significantly and be a waist of money. Save it for your next cycle.

 

[BaconBits]

I don't really see a need to front load the sust. if you are going to kick start with D-bol

 

[needtogetaas]

This is my idea for my first cycle / after a few more months cardio. I have read on the topic for about 20 hours and can answer all the little "noobie" quiz questions.

I have worked out for about 10 years (nothing too intense), played football, rugby, baseball. Tried 3 pro-hormone cycles with good diet and seen the expected results.

31 years old, 6'2", 240lbs, high BF %, about 19% and falling.

Here it is:
WK 1 - 750mg Sustanon front load
Wk 2 - 5, 30mg Thai Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ed
Wk 2 - 5, 250mg Sustanon EW
Wk 5 - 8, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 300mg EW
Wk 5 - 8, 500 mg Sustanon ED
Wk 5- 8, Winstrol oral 25mg ED
Wk 9 nothing
Wk 10, 100 mg Clomid ED
WK 10 - 13, 40mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - ED

Any Suggestions?

way to much going on there for a first cycle bro...

try 500mg ew 12 weeks sust
500iu's hcg ew threw out cycle
2 weeks after last inject 4 weeks dermacrin sustain 5 pumps ed...could add some unleashed during the cycle as well.
http://www.primordialperformance.com/derm_sust_intro.cfm
pm me for discounts.

 

[Thunderclap47]

I don't really see a need to front load the Sustanon. if you are going to kick start with Dianabol - methandrostenolone

Very true. I'm almost through my second week of Dianabol and it's kicked things off just fine. I mixed it with some creatine and have crazy ass killer pumps at the gym. My gains have been great thus far.

 

[hyp1]

This is my idea for my first cycle / after a few more months cardio. I have read on the topic for about 20 hours and can answer all the little "noobie" quiz questions.

I have worked out for about 10 years (nothing too intense), played football, rugby, baseball. Tried 3 pro-hormone cycles with good diet and seen the expected results.

31 years old, 6'2", 240lbs, high BF %, about 19% and falling.

Here it is:
WK 1 - 750mg Sustanon front load
Wk 2 - 5, 30mg Thai Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ed
Wk 2 - 5, 250mg Sustanon EW
Wk 5 - 8, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 300mg EW
Wk 5 - 8, 500 mg Sustanon ED
Wk 5- 8, Winstrol oral 25mg ED
Wk 9 nothing
Wk 10, 100 mg Clomid ED
WK 10 - 13, 40mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - ED

Any Suggestions?

REALLY HORRIBLE FIRST CYCLE DUDE

you need to learn how to crawl before you can sprint.

stick to a low dose of one compound like 250mgs of testosterone enanthate a week.you don't even know if you're prone to gear induced acne,gynecomastia,or hair loss for that matter.at least if you're running one compound and you experience any sides you will know exactly what is causing it and can adjust accordingly.

dianabol,winstrol and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - durabolin have NO FUCKING PLACE IN A FIRST CYCLE

no offense but evidently you haven't read enough to even grasp that your first cycle is purely testing the waters to see how you respond to gear in general.

regardless....best of luck to you bro

 

[holy ghost]

yeah hyp is right that cyle is fuckin horrible

Theoretically, Would you pop 6 vicodins instead of 2 because your friend said its better?

 

[slat1]

This is my idea for my first cycle / after a few more months cardio. I have read on the topic for about 20 hours and can answer all the little "noobie" quiz questions.

I have worked out for about 10 years (nothing too intense), played football, rugby, baseball. Tried 3 pro-hormone cycles with good diet and seen the expected results.

31 years old, 6'2", 240lbs, high BF %, about 19% and falling.

Here it is:
WK 1 - 750mg Sustanon front load
This makes no sense at all since you are using dbol for three weeks
Wk 2 - 5, 30mg Thai Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ed
If you are dead set on the dbol stick to 250 from week one and start the dbol week one also
Wk 2 - 5, 250mg Sustanon EW
Wk 5 - 8, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 300mg EW
Wk 5 - 8, 500 mg Sustanon ED
Wk 5- 8, Winstrol oral 25mg ED
Wk 9 nothing
Wk 10, 100 mg Clomid ED
you may want to double check the half life of sustanon. I think you are a little early with it
WK 10 - 13, 40mg Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - ED

Any Suggestions?

That is a pretty crazy first cycle.
It is also more complex then what most national level competitors use.
I would keep it simple and run one compound and see how you react.
You will have no idea how you are responding to any of those compounds.

 

[rudy76]

Thanks for all the advice.

PS: I have read enough to know that there are about a 100 ways to approach your first cycle. There is the safest way, only test's; and there is the other theory that your gains will be largest on your first cycle so use all the same gear as an experienced guy but just at lower doses.

I think I'll drop the winstrol and Deca and go only 3 weeks Dbol, 10 weeks sust.

How's that for a compromise.

 

[hyp1]

Thanks for all the advice.

PS: I have read enough to know that there are about a 100 ways to approach your first cycle. There is the safest way, only test's; and there is the other theory that your gains will be largest on your first cycle so use all the same gear as an experienced guy but just at lower doses.

I think I'll drop the winstrol and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and go only 3 weeks Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , 10 weeks Sustanon.

How's that for a compromise.

imo honestly? not much of one at all....but slightly better.I don't condone anyone using more than one compound on their first cycle,to me that's like trying to run before you can walk.

but you're going to do what you're going to do if you mind is already made up and there's not much anyone can do about it.

whatever your choice,best of luck to you

 

[rfowler]

That is a pretty crazy first cycle.
It is also more complex then what most national level competitors use.
I would keep it simple and run one compound and see how you react.
You will have no idea how you are responding to any of those compounds.

This cycle makes me want to take a crap.....horribly thought out. Im glad you posted it here for advice first so thats a plus but your begging for sides and possible health issues. your first cycle needs to be smartly planned and simple like slat said, these bros know there shit. Keep researching and I can tell you with certainty that less is more with steroids. Mixing all those compunds with no experience isa recipe for high blood pressure which leads to kidney failure, not to mention your nips might puff as soon as that dbol hits your system thats how I react to the shit.

 

[slat1]

Thanks for all the advice.

PS: I have read enough to know that there are about a 100 ways to approach your first cycle. There is the safest way, only test's; and there is the other theory that your gains will be largest on your first cycle so use all the same gear as an experienced guy but just at lower doses.

I think I'll drop the winstrol and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and go only 3 weeks Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , 10 weeks Sustanon.

How's that for a compromise.

Those are theory's.
I slapped on 20lbs with 250mgs of test.
I have rarely seen someone gain more then that with a gram on their first cycle.
Its all diet driven.
I am also fortunate enought to be friends with IFBB pro's and famous diet guru's. I know what they recomend and none of them would say a gram on a first run.
A gram is what super heavy's on the national shows use.
I would not listen to a word anyone said that recomended that.
Then again that is just me.

 

[holy ghost]

fuck man just do the bread and butter if you really want' to push it

This is going no where.

 

[Thunderclap47]

Hey Slat. How's the healing process going for you? Best of luck bro.

 

[big greg 82]

this is interesting...



it should be mandatory for all first cycle

wks 1-10 test only!

 

[slat1]

Hey Slat. How's the healing process going for you? Best of luck bro.

Pretty good.
The leg has healed.
The thumb is close.
I did legs last night.
Ate clean all day yesterday too. Got five meals in.
I pretty much starved for two months with four meals a day and dropped to 240.
I am working and NPC show tomorrow so no gym. I will start back up again on Monday.
I am ready to go full speed ahead.
Get those six super clean meals in and hit the gym five days a week.
Give me a month and I will be ripped at 250+ clean (and I have patheticly low test).
I bet I can make 255 after starving my body. Got to have 8 abs though or its not worth it for me!
Tomorrow should be motivating. Some serious LHW's are competing and a few IFBB pros will be there.
Add to that I will be sitting with some diet/supplement guru's and I have everyone I need to motivate my ass!
Its been two months too long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rudy76]

Holy Ghost, can you give me any real advice or just metaphors. What I'm hearing is stick with Sust only.

If that's the way it has to be I'll save the other gear for my 4th or 5th cycle.

 

[slat1]

Oh... and no more fighting professional athletes.
Even when you win you get all fucked up! LOL

 

[Thunderclap47]

lol!! Your crazy man. You wouldn't catch me fighting them boys. Glad to hear your healing up. Best of luck in your upcoming events bro.
-Thunder

 

[holy ghost]

Holy Ghost, can you give me any real advice or just metaphors. What I'm hearing is stick with Sustanon only.

If that's the way it has to be I'll save the other gear for my 4th or 5th cycle.

you know what, i insist you do your original cycle, bump the trenbolone to 800mg ew, pick up some halotestin and run it 50mg ed

smart ass

catch a clue kid your not ronnie coleman stop trying to be different

youre born in 76? thats a lot of time to research pal.

please before you make your self seem like a bigger fool, get a plat membership

and research soem threads on first cycles, pull up some webpages and DO SOME RESEARCH..

 

[rudy76]

I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I have done research.

I just went and looked up 4 other sites / forums and 2 of 4 said a good first cycle would be 4 weeks 30mg ED Dbol, 10 weeks 500mg Sust EW.

The other two said only Test for 10 weeks.

I admit I was over doing it with my first plan. The only reason I added the 25mg Winstrol oral ed was to help with bloat and free up more test.

Is that so wrong - I don't know why? Let me know.

 

[cdownie927]

dont believe what everyone tells you, regardless you are going to do what you want. so do it, you have your mind already made up by your responses

 

[hyp1]

I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I have done research.

I just went and looked up 4 other sites / forums and 2 of 4 said a good first cycle would be 4 weeks 30mg ED Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , 10 weeks 500mg Sustanon EW.

The other two said only Test for 10 weeks.

I admit I was over doing it with my first plan. The only reason I added the 25mg Winstrol oral ed was to help with bloat and free up more test.

Is that so wrong - I don't know why? Let me know.

bro just because a site recommends doing dianabol and sustanon for a first cycle doesn't make it a great idea at all.I can't count how many fucking sites recommend doing over 150mgs of clomid as a part of post cycle therapy and tapering downward(that much clomid would give anyone tracers from hell and make them one moody son of a bitch)and that recommendation in itself proves that many sites aren't reliable for dependable information.

and sorry but you did come off as a smart ass towards holy ghost and the bro was just trying to help you out,to begin with.

as has been pointed out to you many,many times in this thread for a first cycle it's best to stick with one compound for reasons that have already been explained.you're going to do what you're going to do no matter what anyone says and your mind is made up based on mis information provided by other websites.....after you realize that they can't be trusted hopefully you will stick around on these forums and further your education.

best of luck to you

 

[BigGuyPHX]

you know what, i insist you do your original cycle, bump the trenbolone to 800mg ew, pick up some halotestin and run it 50mg ed

smart ass

catch a clue kid your not ronnie coleman stop trying to be different

youre born in 76? thats a lot of time to research pal.

please before you make your self seem like a bigger fool, get a plat membership

and research soem threads on first cycles, pull up some webpages and DO SOME RESEARCH..

Fuckin A!!!

 

[Acela]

in your attempt to be quick witted, you failed to mention the d3ca @ 300 mgs EW weeks 5-8
So "they" recommend 30 mgs of D/bol, so you do 50
"they" say 500 sus EW, you want to frontload with 750 on your first cycle
you're wondering why people are being hard on you?

I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I have done research.

I just went and looked up 4 other sites / forums and 2 of 4 said a good first cycle would be 4 weeks 30mg ED Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , 10 weeks 500mg Sustanon EW.

The other two said only Test for 10 weeks.

I admit I was over doing it with my first plan. The only reason I added the 25mg Winstrol oral ed was to help with bloat and free up more test.

Is that so wrong - I don't know why? Let me know.

 

[rfowler]

Holy Ghost, can you give me any real advice or just metaphors. What I'm hearing is stick with Sustanon only.

If that's the way it has to be I'll save the other gear for my 4th or 5th cycle.

Hey bro,
Yeah were harsh on yah but you know why? because we dont want you to fuck yourself up. Steroids are serious business and this board for the majority leans toward conservative usage, many of us reached that conclusion through trial and error, so basically you get to learn from the self imposed research of others, how great is that? We want you to keep as muchof your gains as possible and while keeping your body healthy on the inside. Our community gets the bad rap we have because people take rediculous amounts of drugs on top of other terrible life habits like drinking, smoking, bad diet, other drugs and prescription drugs, then when they die the sexiest culprit to their death is the 20ml vial of test they found in your dresser beside the big pink dildo you got for xmas. So be responsible bro line everything up get a clean bill of health, build a solid base, write out your diet, then bust a nice first cycle. Mine was test e 500mg wk for 12 weeks, thought I was freaking Hercules bro and my rod was large at all times. This is why I love this board because the guys on here have made all the mistakes for you, so when you disregard our advice its like your telling us were full of shit bro. If you take all more than one compound and you wake up with mantits how do you know which one to drop? If your blood pressure rises and your ears start ringing like someone just knocked your head off is it the test, the winny, the decca, or the eq thats the culprit? Do you run nolvadex to combat the progestrin gyno since your tits are leaking everywhere or do you get bromo? By running a single compound you eliminate so much risk. Think about it bro, then go move that pink dildo out of your dresser thats the first place they will look. lol

 

[mattdan]

Well I agree that that cycle IS a mess.

I disagree that a first timer cannot run d-bol. I don't know where the hell that came from. Many, many people have used d-bol for a first cycle. In fact, it's probably the most common first cycle.

Try something like:

250mg test ew for the duration.
25mg d-bol for the first 4 weeks.

That is low dose, perfectly safe and you'll get great results as long as you do proper p c t.

Good luck.

 

[rudy76]

Thanks, I was starting to think all the reading I did was a waste of time. And yes I now agree that my first attmept at coming up with a cycle was a mess.

One question, I just saw another post here where a guy was going to run Winnie tabs at 50mg ED at the end of almost this exact cycle you mention above. The guys told me that was stupid for a few reasons.

Is it stupid? When do you use winnie? On my next cycle I thought I could use 10 wk Sust again at 250mg EW and winnie tabs the last 4 weeks 50mg ED since I shouldn't use the winnie with my first cycle.

Then my third cycle 7 weeks Deca 200mg EW and 325mg test enanthate EW 10 weeks.


Thanks

 

[holy ghost]

Yes mattdan is back! Also great info from hyp and acela, they are good EXPERIENCED bros that you can trust, not some dipshit 18 year old from one of the other forums

these guys are older and have put in work!

do not heed their advice!

keep it simple man, cheers

 

[holy ghost]

this just screams you need to spend some tiem researching bro

be safe!

Thanks, I was starting to think all the reading I did was a waste of time. And yes I now agree that my first attmept at coming up with a cycle was a mess.

One question, I just saw another post here where a guy was going to run Winnie tabs at 50mg ED at the end of almost this exact cycle you mention above. The guys told me that was stupid for a few reasons.

Is it stupid? When do you use winnie? On my next cycle I thought I could use 10 wk Sustanon again at 250mg EW and winnie tabs the last 4 weeks 50mg ED since I shouldn't use the winnie with my first cycle.

Then my third cycle 7 weeks Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 200mg EW and 325mg test enanthate EW 10 weeks.



Thanks

 

[pound for pound]

Well I agree that that cycle IS a mess.

I disagree that a first timer cannot run Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . I don't know where the hell that came from. Many, many people have used Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for a first cycle. In fact, it's probably the most common first cycle.

Try something like:

250mg test ew for the duration.
25mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for the first 4 weeks.

That is low dose, perfectly safe and you'll get great results as long as you do proper p c t.

Good luck.

bump

also, I don't know why people are so attracted to sust, honestly, test is test and a long ester like C or E would be the easiest way to keep your blood levels stable which in turn keeps the sides to a minimum. If you are prone to high blood pressure, I wouldnt' run dbol until you see how the test is going to effect your bp.