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DBBT said:looking forward to trying the sustain alpha....loved derma sustain it worked like a charm EVEN AFTER A HEAVY CYCLE
Just curious, did you run hcg during that cycle?
My Experience with Sustain Alpha/Unleashed/Post Cycle for PCT
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Just curious, did you run hcg during that cycle?
needtogetaas
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I would run hcg also.leprechaun said:
needtogetaas said:
Yes, if its an 8 week cycle I would run it weeks 2-7 at 250iu mon/thurs. I started it on week 4 of my prop/ace/mast cycle because I didn't find out about it until I had already started the cycle and I had to order it.
Also PP recommends to stop running it a week before the end of the cycle to allow yourself to re sensitize to natural LH and FSH. I didn't know that at the time and ran it through the last week. However it still seemed to work well for me.
Others say to run it to the last week or even to run it a week past your last inject, so I don't know which way is actually best. Just letting you know what PP recommends.
Just wanted to drop in with some new info now that it's been a couple months.
I can say that I did not recover fully. I noticed my libido has been up and down for the last month and lately, more down than up. Also my balls were still smaller than normal and hanging lower than they should have been.
I just started a new PCT - 1 month of nolvadex at 20mg a day with 3 shots a week of 1000iu of hcg for the first 2 weeks. Within the first shot my balls looked like they should, bigger and not hanging so low. Also I felt an increase in libido already that first day. I tried to use sustain again but it gave me all these bumps where I used it and the area got itchy. Who knows if that initially helped my libido or not -- I used it for the first 2 days before giving up on it. It's funny because I got the bumps the first time but it wasn't as bad. I'll post back up about how I'm doing after the month is up.
I can say that I did not recover fully. I noticed my libido has been up and down for the last month and lately, more down than up. Also my balls were still smaller than normal and hanging lower than they should have been.
I just started a new PCT - 1 month of nolvadex at 20mg a day with 3 shots a week of 1000iu of hcg for the first 2 weeks. Within the first shot my balls looked like they should, bigger and not hanging so low. Also I felt an increase in libido already that first day. I tried to use sustain again but it gave me all these bumps where I used it and the area got itchy. Who knows if that initially helped my libido or not -- I used it for the first 2 days before giving up on it. It's funny because I got the bumps the first time but it wasn't as bad. I'll post back up about how I'm doing after the month is up.
Just want to mention, that I can't blame it all on the unleashed/post cycle/sustain pct. If you read the first post, I was on some aas or another for almost 8 months and only did 1 month of pct. And to its credit i did feel a lot better for that month. I was just down so hard I probably needed at least some clomid or nolvadex to go with it. Anyway you live and learn. I seem to be having no ill affects from the nolvadex so hcg/nolvadex will probably be my pct of choice in the future. We'll see how it pans out after this month. Also, just in case, I ordered some clomid to have on hand.
mus1cjunk1e said:
The way you did things isn't giving an accurate assessment.
First of all, it sounds like you were more suppressed than you realized. An 8 month cycle?! I don;t think any PCT is going to make you recover fully from that and it's unrealistic to expect it to. No shit you're libido is down!
Of course doing another round of HCG is going to help testicular atrophy! That has nothing to do with the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of the previous approach.
I honestly believe the NOlva will do absolutely nothing. If you feel better it will be for other reasons, not the Nolva.
The clomid may or may not help but if it does, you still have to come off. If you do the same thing (go on and off some gear for months on end) the end result will be exactly the same and you'll be back to square one.
At some point you have to come off of everything and let your body recover. That's where the supps can really help. You kinda shot yourself in the foot because you didn't allow them to do what they're designed to do. At this point you can either continue using the supps and wait until you recover or go on HRT. Expecting more drugs to cure the problem is futile and counter productive.
Nelson Montana said:
Nelson did you actually read my first post or not? I haven't been on any aas for over 3 months now, when I started that pct. So it's not like I've just been on and on and on. I'm not going to repeat the story so you can look at the first post if you want to know.
And honestly how can you tell me that nolvadex and/or clomid isn't going to do anything to help me recover when one or the other is used by almost every person that cycles? Nolvadex does increase test levels (Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men. Vermeulen, Comhaire. Fertil and Steril 29 (1978) 320-7) as does clomid just at a higher dose. And I hate to tell you, but before sustain, unleashed, and post cycle came out people were using nolvadex/clomid and hcg for years to recover test levels. I would love to use sustain alpha along with it (might as well have every angle covered) but I don't want bumps and itchy skin for the next month. If there is anything else you can think of that would help me, feel free to let me know, but I don't see how you can tell me what I am doing now won't help at all.
