My DHEA-S results on Dermacrine

[SuperOne]

Well i doubt my E2 was "excessively" high to begin with. I never had itchy nipples before, only when i started Dermacrine. There only other reason my E2 would be excessively high, is if my testosterone levels were above normal levels, while off Dermacrine. I also dont think Dermacrine raised my testosterone above normal normal physiological levels, as i was growing more on Dutasteride and AIMF and more vascular.

I dont think Dermacrine raised my DHEA-S levels while using it, because i really didnt feel too much different then than i do now while on nothing.


And why would my DHEA levels be higher while using it, then lower than it was in the first place 3 days after i stopped? So your saying that if i tested my DHEA-S levels now since ive been of it for over 10 days, that they should be high?

You said not to get your levels tested while on it, and when im off it i test low, but your saying my levels would be high while im on it? You cant gaurantee that, it doesnt make sense seriously.

Please explain this it doesnt make sense.

 

[Primordial Performance]

Well i doubt my E2 was "excessively" high to begin with. I never had itchy nipples before, only when i started Dermacrine. There only other reason my E2 would be excessively high, is if my testosterone levels were above normal levels, while off Dermacrine. I also dont think Dermacrine raised my testosterone above normal normal physiological levels, as i was growing more on Dutasteride and AIMF and more vascular.

I dont think Dermacrine raised my DHEA-S levels while using it, because i really didnt feel too much different then than i do now while on nothing.


And why would my DHEA levels be higher while using it, then lower than it was in the first place 3 days after i stopped? So your saying that if i tested my DHEA-S levels now since ive been of it for over 10 days, that they should be high?

You said not to get your levels tested while on it, and when im off it i test low, but your saying my levels would be high while im on it? You cant gaurantee that, it doesnt make sense seriously.

Please explain this it doesnt make sense.

What doesn’t make sense?

I said that your DHEA levels would have been elevated if you tested DURING your Dermacrine use. Dermacrine clears the system within 2-3 days, so if you test your hormones 4 days after using Dermacrine your levels will be lower than before you started because your natural production would be temporarily impaired from the Dermacrine. (which is why we only recommend 4 week cycles)

Your body takes a couple weeks to regain full normal production. So yes, if you tested now your levels should be at least what they were before you started.

I’m assuming your itchy nipples is a result of having lower than normal dihydrotestosterone levels, thus any excess in estrogen would be doing more damage than normal. Dermacrine brings a considerable amount of hormones into the body, which may possibly bring an increase in estrogens in certain individuals. I suppose if your DHT was low enough that is why you noticed the nipple irritation, whereas other individuals with normal DHT wouldn’t have this problem.

-Pp

 

[SuperOne]

I fully agree, will get my bioavailable testoesterone, aswell as DHEA-S again on Monday or Tuesday, and report the results when i get them back.


Will also report my DHT results when i get them back. They are taking longer because they had to be sent to a different lab.


Didnt you say Dermacrine can help with hairloss?


My hair is thicker at the moment.

 

[Primordial Performance]

I fully agree, will get my bioavailable testoesterone, aswell as DHEA-S again on Monday or Tuesday, and report the results when i get them back.


Will also report my dihydrotestosterone results when i get them back. They are taking longer because they had to be sent to a different lab.


Didnt you say Dermacrine can help with hairloss?


My hair is thicker at the moment.

Well that is good to hear.

Yes, Dermacrine will at least prevent further hair loss. The pregnenolone converts to progesterone which helps control DHT levels. (5a-reductase)

Unfortunately, it sounds like you want DHT back up...

-Pp

 

[SuperOne]

yeah i need DHT back up no doubt.


I need high androgens i think for a while to bounce my body back to normal.


What do you think?

 

[Primordial Performance]

yeah i need dihydrotestosterone back up no doubt.


I need high androgens i think for a while to bounce my body back to normal.


What do you think?

Well its sort of choice between a hard-body or a full head of hair… unless you’re willing to possibly look into some natural remedies for your hair (shampoos, scalp application of progesterone, omega’s, ect)…

I think the only way your going to get the bloat reduced is if you bring your DHT levels up again.

-Pp

 

[SuperOne]

Thanks PP, i want to wait untill i get my DHT results back, aswell as bioavailable and total testosterone first.


Then i can either increase my DHT via proviron and/or increase my test via mabye 200mg per week of testosterone for a bit.


I really dont know much about how to use aas in that regard.


As for hair id rather try to use some topical anti-androgen because i cant deal with this puffier face look, ive never had this before in my life and it doesnt look good on me, especially because it doesnt match my physique at all.

 

[SuperOne]

Hey Eric, okay i got my dihydrotestosterone results back, i got them tested the same day as my Estradiol and DHEA-S, that i posted.


dihydrotestosterone= 3391 - Range 860 - 3406


So as you see my DHT is almost higher than normal, yet my Estradiol was higher than normal.



So im really confused right now!


I thought DHT was supposed to regulate Estradiol and even lower it. How can my face be holding water if my DHT is almost higher than normal?



So it looks like my itchy nipples werent a result of low DHT,ect. It also looks like the pregnenolone/progesterone deal didnt control my DHT levels.



My doctor ordered a Bioavailable Testosterone test today, but wouldnt test my DHEA-S again, he told me to wait untill i see the Endo in a month.



So what the hell do you think is going on with me?


Im guessing my Total Testosterone must be high, otherwise my DHT and Estradiol wouldnt be high right? Why are my DHEA-S levels still low though?


Based on my results my Total Testosterone probabbly isnt low right?



my Doctor wouldnt test my Total Serum Testosterone, and said it was useless. He said only Bioavailable Testosterone matters.


What i dont get is, cant high Total Testosterone cause higher Estradiol, regardless of Bioavailable Testosterone?

 

[gjohnson5]

I wonder if dutasteride is clearing your system and your DHT is rebounding right now... The DHT test needed estradiol in it as well.
You definitely need a real hormone panel, so going to the endocrinologist is a good idea.
It's hard to draw any conclusions if you only have one variable at one point in time.

Anyway I would suspect that your testosterone is low right now since 5ar reduction of testosterone may be creating the high DHT, and your estrodial is lowering as a consequence. But the test needs more variables to confirm

Hey Eric, okay i got my dihydrotestosterone results back, i got them tested the same day as my Estradiol and DHEA-S, that i posted.


dihydrotestosterone= 3391 - Range 860 - 3406


So as you see my dihydrotestosterone is almost higher than normal, yet my Estradiol was higher than normal.



So im really confused right now!


I thought DHT was supposed to regulate Estradiol and even lower it. How can my face be holding water if my DHT is almost higher than normal?



So it looks like my itchy nipples werent a result of low DHT,ect. It also looks like the pregnenolone/progesterone deal didnt control my DHT levels.



My doctor ordered a Bioavailable Testosterone test today, but wouldnt test my DHEA-S again, he told me to wait untill i see the Endo in a month.



So what the hell do you think is going on with me?


Im guessing my Total Testosterone must be high, otherwise my DHT and Estradiol wouldnt be high right? Why are my DHEA-S levels still low though?


Based on my results my Total Testosterone probabbly isnt low right?



my Doctor wouldnt test my Total Serum Testosterone, and said it was useless. He said only Bioavailable Testosterone matters.


What i dont get is, cant high Total Testosterone cause higher Estradiol, regardless of Bioavailable Testosterone?

 

[SuperOne]

Thanks,

I did get my DHEA-S and Estradiol test the same day as dihydrotestosterone.


DHEA-S - 3.3 LOW Range 7.6-17.4
Estradiol - 224 HI Range Up To 206


The only reason i had to wait longer for my dihydrotestosterone results, were they had to be sent to a different lab to get the numbers.



This was like 4 days after i finished Dermacrine.