My DHEA-S results on Dermacrine

[SuperOne]

Bro im healthy as a horse, i have NO pre-existing condition. All other non hormonal blood work was perfectly fine and has always been.


My hormones are just out of whack, i agree Avodart skrewed my hormones up, and they havent rebalanced YET, but the Dermacrine should have raised my DHEA-S and lowered my Estradiol regardless. It probabbly did increase my testosterone too though. But i was specifically told it would increase my DHEA-S and was the reason i tried it.


Im willing to bet my estradoil was higher after Dermacrine because my pecks were itching me which they never did before. Also since the aromatize complex didnt work for me the DHEA probabbly converted more into estrogen.

 

[artificialaspirations]

how long has it been since you took avodart?

 

[SuperOne]

I havent taken Avodart since mid May.

 

[gjohnson5]

Avodart / Dutasteride (which is a prescription drug) is a DHT blocker. It is possible dutasteride made more testosterone available for aromatase. So you use dermacrine to limit aromatase. But you also said that you have taken AIFM and Arimidex and still you have had elevated estrogen, correct?

Bro im healthy as a horse, i have NO pre-existing condition. All other non hormonal blood work was perfectly fine and has always been.


My hormones are just out of whack

 

[holy ghost]

is avodart more effective than finasteridE?

 

[gjohnson5]

Avodart / Dutasteride is more potent at blocking 5ar reduction of testosterone then finasteride / propecia.

But the idea that Avodart significantly elevates estrogen is the part I'm having trouble with. I have never read any science anywhere that suggests a dutasteride or finasteride does so. Something is missing here

is avodart more effective than finasteridE?

 

[holy ghost]

agreed bump for more info!

 

[SuperOne]

Yes Dutasteride definetly increase estradiol and testosterone by an average of 25% each, and im willing to bet more in some people, as it inhibits 95% of all dihydrotestosterone. So as a result testosterone and estradiol will greatly increase.


dihydrotestosterone itself is a estrogen antagoist, and regulates estrogen. Im sure you know all about the anti-estrogen effects of dihydrotestosterone.


http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/arnold/dihydrotestosterone.htm



So i used AIMF to counter the raise in estrogen, but since all my DHT was abolished, im guessnig that i needed something like 2.5mg per day or Letro or something to lower estradiol. I tried AIMF and it didnt get rid of the water retention and facial bloat, and i tried Adex too which didnt work.


I also used some stims right after i quit Avodart to help get rid of the water and i think i stressed out my adrenals, contributing to the cause of my low DHEA-S levels.


Thats where i was hoping and was told Dermacrine would fix the DHEA-S problem.


I didnt use Dermacrine untill about 5 weeks ago, and i havent touched Avodart in over 5 months. Ive read that Avodart has a very long half life once it builds up in your system over time, and it has been reported that DHT levels can remain low for 6-12 months after quitting.


Im not trying to bag on the product, but im just being honest and need some help aswell.


Thanks.

 

[gjohnson5]

Ok , Misread this post.
Yes lowering DHT can cause elevations in estrogen and progesterone
I'm in agreement there

Yes Dutasteride definetly increase estradiol and testosterone by an average of 25% each, and im willing to bet more in some people, as it inhibits nearly 95% of all dihydrotestosterone. So as a result testosterone and estradiol will greatly increase.


dihydrotestosterone itself is a estrogen antagoist, and regulates estrogen. Im sure you know all about the anti-estrogen effects of dihydrotestosterone.


http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/arnold/dihydrotestosterone.htm



So i used AIMF to counter the raise in estrogen, but since all my DHT was abolished, im guessnig that i needed something like 2.5mg per day or Letro or something to lower estradiol. I tried AIMF and it didnt get rid of the water retention and facial bloat, and i tried Adex too which didnt work.


I also used some stims right after i quit Avodart to help get rid of the water and i think i stressed out my adrenals, contributing to the cause of my low DHEA-S levels.


Thats where i was hoping and was told Dermacrine would fix the DHEA-S problem.


I didnt use Dermacrine untill about 5 weeks ago, and i havent touched Avodart in over 5 months. Ive read that Avodart has a very long half life once it builds up in your system over time, and it has been reported that DHT levels can remain low for 6-12 months after quitting.


Im not trying to bag on the product, but im just being honest and need some help aswell.


Thanks.

 

[Iron man]

Scary 2 months to get blood work. That is where we are heading Socialized medicine thank you Hitlerey. Just ask yourself what does the govnerment do right?

I have been on HRT for about 2 years. 400mg a week. Using some Dex then switching to very small amont of letrozole to combat estrogen. All so starting out with small amont of finasteride and didn't notice but a very small difference in sex drive. So switched to dutasteride because it was supposed to not have any sexual side effects and be a lot better. Now I am still loosing my hair and sex drive SUCKS.
So I bought some Dermacrine to see if it will straightened hormones out. the only thing I notise is that More energy More appetite but more hairloss and worse sex drive. I think I might go back to finasteride and try some HCG for the sex drive. Is there anything for hairloss that works? Without the sides