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obsessis

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i got some bloodwork done and the doctor said i have really low testosterone. i had to go back to submit 7 vials of blood for more testing. he spoke with an endocrinologist to try to figure out what's going on. he said i will most likely be given shots or cream to use to bring my testosterone back up. he said the normal for one type was 50 - 450 and my test was 18. it is causing some problems with my body (slight gyno, sensitive nipples, no sex drive or energy).

I am wondering what you guys would do if you find out you aren't producing testosterone. do you know what the doctor will give me? is there anything that I should specifically ask for? what should I do? i have no idea.

will i need to do anything to make sure the testosterone doesn't cause any bad side effects? i figure it wouldn't since it'd only bring it up to 'normal' levels. what should I expect?
 
what was your last cycle, i'm guessing you don't know or didn't know what pct is at the time. the cream/shots is trt (testosterone replacemant therapy), it will ARTIFICIALLY raise your test levels but will do nothing to restore your hpta.
And the gyno is from your cycle, not low test levels. how long since your last shot?
 
Grab some AIFM bro!Stuff will have you up and running in no time.I've got mine on the way to help me boost up my natural T levels.
 
Huckster said:
Grab some AIFM bro!Stuff will have you up and running in no time.I've got mine on the way to help me boost up my natural T levels.
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if his test levels are clinically that low and are that way without steroid use AIFM is not going to get him where he needs to be


and im in no way knocking AIFM.....just saying i don't think an aromatose inhibitor will do the trick in this case


we need more information from this guy
 
I say pump the test in bro! Consider off cycle 250-500mg week. The docs will probably prescribe testim or androgel. We are all here to help bro.
 
I'm sorry, I forgot to add I'm 26. I have never used steroids. i came here for the nutrition/workout forum and decided to ask since this is something that happens at the end of cycles from what i've read.


edit: I don't know if maybe this has been happening for awhile or what. i've always been skinny, i used to work out 4 to 5 days a week and couldn't put on any muscle when i was 21 or so, for a solid 8 months. i'm 6'1" and i was always 170 or so but i've bloated up, i am putting on fat, probably retaining water. i'm sure this started with the drop as well.

i finally went to the dr after my breasts became sore, like my nipples. my breasts are swollen/grown a bit. no lumps or anything.

i have been taking medication that is known to do this so it isn't a big surprise. i will be on it for three or four more months. I am hoping things go back to normal when I'm off it. it is kind of similar except my medication isn't hormone related.
 
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work with your doc to see if you can restore your natural T before going on replacement therapy. study up on PCT protocols used for coming off a steroid cycle, the same thing holds true to restore natural T. look into things like HCG and anti-estrogens: clomid, arimdex, etc.
 
obsessis said:
it is causing some problems with my body (slight gyno, sensitive nipples, no sex drive or energy).
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This sounds quite a bit to me like high aromitase/Estradiol symptoms(which I have battled on and off myself since I was a teen),hence my original advice is what I would stick with.Consider using an aromitase inhibtor to get your T/E levels back in line.
 
Hey bro, I was in the same boat, although I have used gear for the past 5 or so years, just came off a while ago, went to the doc, and he gave me a script for testim appy one tube per day 50mg test per tube, I have no idea if it will work although I am giving it a try ED until my next cycle which will be a bitchload of test some deca and some a-drol,hcg thid time too, good luck bro
 
Have you noticed anything else going on? Like no sex drive or small testes? Are you stressed out a lot? What's going on?
I would guess if your test is that low that the Doc is going to pump you with more test. Would make sense to me unless he wants to do more test to figure out exactly what is going on.
I would fix this right away because you might run in to some major man-hood problems in the near future
 
Hey bro, did your urologist check if you may have klinefelter syndrome? I am NOT saying you have that, you may have some syptoms of that, they can do a test to check, that's what my doc did for me, I displayed a few of the signs of klinefelter syndrome, but it was determined that I didn't have it. Although I didn't tell him I juice, he just thinks it's odd my test is fucked up, he probuly knows though he asked me what supplements I take when I work out....maybe something to look into, good luck
 
yes, no sex drive for the past year. i can perform but i never have the desire to. I am irritable, tired all of the time, depressed. i edited an above post also. i have all of the symptoms of low testosterone. i only have to wait until monday.

i don't know if an estrogen-blocker would work. my T is almost non-existant. i need something to boost it I think.
 
obsessis said:
yes, no sex drive for the past year. i can perform but i never have the desire to. I am irritable, tired all of the time, depressed. i edited an above post also. i have all of the symptoms of low testosterone. i only have to wait until monday.

i don't know if an estrogen-blocker would work. my T is almost non-existant. i need something to boost it I think.
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Seriously, you need to pump some test in bro. Treatment for low testosterone, more testosterone. The problem with conventional medical therapy, such as testim or androgel, it's just not a good mode of administration. It's the easiest and safest mode for patients, Doctors simply don't feel comfortable prescribing injectable test to their patients.
 
obsessis said:
yes, no sex drive for the past year. i can perform but i never have the desire to. I am irritable, tired all of the time, depressed. i edited an above post also. i have all of the symptoms of low testosterone. i only have to wait until monday.

i don't know if an estrogen-blocker would work. my T is almost non-existant. i need something to boost it I think.
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what medication did he prescribe you (not the gel, the stuff you're supposed to take for another 3-4 months)
 
gautho said:
Seriously, you need to pump some test in bro. Treatment for low testosterone, more testosterone. The problem with conventional medical therapy, such as testim or androgel, it's just not a good mode of administration. It's the easiest and safest mode for patients, Doctors simply don't feel comfortable prescribing injectable test to their patients.
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agreed 100%
 
Bigredcanecorso said:
Hey bro, did your urologist check if you may have klinefelter syndrome? I am NOT saying you have that, you may have some syptoms of that, they can do a test to check, that's what my doc did for me, I displayed a few of the signs of klinefelter syndrome, but it was determined that I didn't have it. Although I didn't tell him I juice, he just thinks it's odd my test is fucked up, he probuly knows though he asked me what supplements I take when I work out....maybe something to look into, good luck
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I think you might have Klinefelter's also. You said you have always been skinny and can't put on muscle when you work out. This is a possible Klinefelter syndrome problem but only genetic testing will tell for sure.

One thing you could try is human chorionic gonadotropin, commonly called Hcg, and see if your test levels come up. If they do you might have a pituitary problem. If test levels increase with Hcg then your pituitary isn't producing enough Lh, luteinizing hormone.
 
Bro
do you have "ugly wife syndrome" it's OK you can tell us some of us have been there. :cow:

obsessis said:
yes, no sex drive for the past year. i can perform but i never have the desire to. I am irritable, tired all of the time, depressed. i edited an above post also. i have all of the symptoms of low testosterone. i only have to wait until monday.

i don't know if an estrogen-blocker would work. my T is almost non-existant. i need something to boost it I think.
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i don't have klinefelter, reading about it scared me though. i am just naturally skinny and have put on fat/mass weight, that's the point i was trying to get across.....that the lack of testosterone has made me put on weight like a girl. i have wide shoulders, normal sex organs.

he said he would prob. prescribe a shot or cream, they would give me the shots in the office I imagine...should I push for that? I've heard it hurts a lot.

If they give me test I should work out even more and eat a lot i assume....It will probably help me grow muscle, right?

I will read up on the pct and acg or anti estrogens aramatose whatever. If i just reduce the estrogen in my body then i'd just have both low test and estrogen. if a medication is causing it to be low i don't think it will go up until i stop taking it and get it all out of my body.


edit: ha, my girl and i broke up a couple of weeks ago. these problems are prob. what lead to it but there were definitely other issues. That is definitely funny, though.
 
I'm in the exact same situation as you my Brother....Except I'm 47 and my doctor said ive burnt out my system with gear was his explanation....He said I need hrt but wouldn't put me on it....nor would he send me to an endocrinologists...I have an appointment with him on sept 7th...
I immediately e-mailed my source and had 4 vials of test c 2 days later....my
free test was 4.2 out of a range from 20-40....
Every fucking thing in my body was hurting,no energy prtetty much my head was up my ass.....So i'll tell my Dr. straight up..what i'm on and what i expect from him....I want injectable only....fuck that cream shit and the patch....I watched my wife struggle with the ortho patch till i get my nuts cut....

And he'll also tell you that injectables will not keep your levels in check.....there protocol is an injection every 14 days...no fucking wonder the levels wont level out....
Make sure you do your research....I honestly believe that Dr.'s have there own agenda's when it comes to prescribing meds....

This is my 5 th week of test c and deca...my joints are finally not hurting,my sex drive is better....i believe test e is better for me regarding sex drive....I'm a little bloated right now...more so than i would be if i was on test e....and i may switch over to test e....everything is starting to come together for me right now.....

The problem i see is you have no experience with gear so its going to be a crap shoot till you actually try different compounds and see what your body tells you....they only thing you can do is listen to the older Brothers here....

Myself...I'm going to do a long cycle this time and bridge with either 250 or 500 of test e or c.....I'm never going off again....if i do i'll make sure i have some hcg and proviron as a back up.....
 
Huckster said:
This sounds quite a bit to me like high aromitase/Estradiol symptoms(which I have battled on and off myself since I was a teen),hence my original advice is what I would stick with.Consider using an aromitase inhibtor to get your T/E levels back in line.
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again, you are wrong, this won't fix this guys problem.......did you read what he wrote......its not his ratios, he has LOW test
 
aN inhibitor is the last fucking thing this guy needs....whats wrong with you guys....READ.....
Aifm is not the solve all...especially in this guys case....GEEEZ

Say it DRRMAN...only the truth will set you free brutha
 
Big O said:
aN inhibitor is the last fucking thing this guy needs....whats wrong with you guys....READ.....
Aifm is not the solve all...especially in this guys case....GEEEZ

Say it DRRMAN...only the truth will set you free brutha
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oh well.....you know how it is, we can say it and say it but some just don't care to listen!!
 
heavy_duty said:
Rez-V
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I doubt some goofy 'here today, gone tomorrow' pill will do anything. This guy has legit issues. What next? Get some No2 and weider shakes? HMB?

He needs TRT, which, if you think about it, will change his life. He's gonna love it.
 
I am not an MD, but a lot of people my age (56) have low test, some simply get a shot of a low dose of test weekly from an MD. Most of the MD’s that I have talked to don’t seem to know what day it is when it comes to test replacement.

If I were your age and on the meds you mention, I would consider 100-200mg per week of test E strictly for therapeutic measures.

But then again if I were your age I would probably being doing a cycle of 1500-2000mg of gear per week.

I would stay away from the anadrol and the cream, the cream is simply a waste of money and unless you’re on a cycle anadrol will just complicate your symptoms.


Good luck and don’t worry, everyone has little problems like this in life!
 
thanks a lot, I think I know what I'm going to need to do now. I'm definitely going to ask him to get on the therapy since he said that's prob. what we'd do. I will try to go for injections once a week if possible. The creams or gels won't work very well? I think they might work OK for me since I'm young and haven't messed with gear before.

I am getting gyno from fat, I assume once my test gets back up and i exercise that it should go away, right?
 
good choice, if you have no natural test and have never done anything that would suppress your HPTA then it's pointless popping PCT meds in the hope it would somehow magically cause your body to produce what it's never had.

If your doc is not an endo then chances are he'll make that gyno worse.. you'll be needing an AI and probably novla to run alongside whatever test he gives you. Personally I love masteron for estrogen control on HRT but again, not much chance of that from a doc. And living as you are in a country where treating yourself with AAS is a serious crime (Go! USA!) you might have to go through a bunch of doctors before you find one who can give you what you need.
 
this sounds very much like an estrogen related issue. An aromatase inhibitor, Aromasin or AIFM, at the very least would reverse some of the symptoms, if not neccesarily reverse the HPGA situation (though it will more likely than not do that as well)
 
drrman said:
its not his ratios, he has LOW test
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even in such cases shifting the ratio, lowering estrogen will increase LH (if the pituitary is not damaged or dysfunctional) and help alleviate the symptoms and likely increase test. Estrogen hypersensitivity while uncommon is a possibility.

now if there is a prolactinoma or pituitary adenoma then it probably wont help much.


a full copy of the blood work would make analysis easier.
 
obsessis said:
I am getting gyno from fat, I assume once my test gets back up and i exercise that it should go away, right?
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you likely will need an aromatase inhibitor, if you can get aromasin (doctor will want to prescribe arimidex-- just say no :) ).
 
macrophage69alpha said:
this sounds very much like an estrogen related issue. An aromatase inhibitor, Aromasin or AIFM, at the very least would reverse some of the symptoms, if not neccesarily reverse the HPGA situation (though it will more likely than not do that as well)
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:)
 
obsessis said:
i finally went to the dr after my breasts became sore, like my nipples. my breasts are swollen/grown a bit. no lumps or anything.

i have been taking medication that is known to do this so it isn't a big surprise. i will be on it for three or four more months. I am hoping things go back to normal when I'm off it. it is kind of similar except my medication isn't hormone related.
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dont you think it might be prudent to mention what this is?


just because your medication is not hormonal does not mean it does not have hormonal impacts
 
thanks for all of the help, i really appreciate it. this is a really weird situation to be in.

my doctor works in a building with three levels. the first level is an endocrinologist. he mentioned to me that he was/is working with her about the issue, he let me know that 'she knew who i was and was interested in the case' or something so I will be able to have him ask the endocrinologist to verify things like asking for the aromatase inhibiter.
 
also there's no mention of the plactin count either.....alot of times lack of test can be directly related to the pituary.....

that plactin count maybe the missing piece here...suppresion from a minor non-cancerous tumor is a possibilty...the age is also alarming here....26....

When i was 26 I could have used a third hand.....
 
Big O said:
also there's no mention of the plactin count either.....alot of times lack of test can be directly related to the pituary.....

that plactin count maybe the missing piece here...suppresion from a minor non-cancerous tumor is a possibilty...the age is also alarming here....26....

When i was 26 I could have used a third hand.....
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This is why I suggested he try Hcg. If his test levels come up using Hcg then you know that the problem is with the pituitary.

obsessis you might want to check out www.directlabs.com this will allow you to have control of your own treatment. You can then check your own test levels when you try thing like Hcg.
 
obsessis said:
i got some bloodwork done and the doctor said i have really low testosterone. i had to go back to submit 7 vials of blood for more testing. he spoke with an endocrinologist to try to figure out what's going on. he said i will most likely be given shots or cream to use to bring my testosterone back up. he said the normal for one type was 50 - 450 and my test was 18. it is causing some problems with my body (slight gyno, sensitive nipples, no sex drive or energy).

I am wondering what you guys would do if you find out you aren't producing testosterone. do you know what the doctor will give me? is there anything that I should specifically ask for? what should I do? i have no idea.

will i need to do anything to make sure the testosterone doesn't cause any bad side effects? i figure it wouldn't since it'd only bring it up to 'normal' levels. what should I expect?
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If in USA you will probably be prescribed TRT like Androgel(Test gel).
 
i don't have a full workup of my blood, i know he said he was checking testosterone levels when he first took the blood. he only said one of my levels was at 18 instead of 50 - 450 as an average. i've been taking methadone to get off painkillers.


edit: will things like terrebus (sp?) or other 'testosterone booster' pills help out? I can't imagine they'd work as well as something the dr would give me but it can't hurt i guess.
 
when i get off of it will the gyno go away?

i take it i should ask for aromasin from the doc. if he doesn't give me anything besides the gel should I order the AIFM from your autosignature? Would that help the gyno?

should I take either the aromasin or aifm while i take the test gel or after I am done taking it?
 
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the dr should be calling today or tomorrow. what individual blood test results should I ask for?

should I take an anti-estrogen w/ testosterone treatment or after I'm done? I am assuming that is for the gyno and it should take it away. will just testosterone take it away? the gyno isn't hard, feels fatty.
 
Big O said:
And he'll also tell you that injectables will not keep your levels in check.....there protocol is an injection every 14 days...no fucking wonder the levels wont level out....
Make sure you do your research....I honestly believe that Dr.'s have there own agenda's when it comes to prescribing meds....
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obviously... Schering Nebido(r) should be available for a year now in Europe, the shots are only once every 3 months but levels are still more steady than with enanthate because of the undecanonate ester (4 ml á 250mg).
http://www.indevus.com/product/nebido.asp?page=nebido

if you can afford ist (it costs $200 per vial in Germany) try it
 
I should hear today or tomorrow.

Do i need to take something like AIFM or an inhibiter like aromasin while I am on TRT or after?
 
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