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[Welsh power house]

look wanker.....i hate slipkot because they are fucking shite!!
No, they dont scare me you stupid ass clown.
They may be popular over there, but they aint here!
I have already said his riffs on the new(and all) albums are shit.......let it go, i dont like them, u do....they suck...the end!

 

[6(SIC)6]

Not popular over there?

2/14/2002 - SE&CC - Glasgow, United Kingdom
2/15/2002 - Manchester Evening News Arena - Manchester, United Kingdom
2/16/2002 - London Arena - London, United Kingdom
2/18/2002 - Brighton Centre - Brighton, United Kingdom
2/19/2002 - Cardiff Arena - Cardiff, United Kingdom
2/20/2002 - Birmingham NEC - Birmingham, United Kingdom


Those are the tour dates for SlipKnot in the uk, it's the first place they are visiting on their tour because they are so popular there they decided to kick it off in the uk.

 

[buffal2001]

Looke sic dude...people get bullied here who like slipknot..like badly!!! Sorry sick, they realy suck badly.......no lies there.....AUDITIONED ALSO!!!!!!! End of story, can we go onto something else now???????

 

[6(SIC)6]

Oh no, bullied! please dont scare me!!

sheesh

 

[o`boy]

My gym is playing MTV........... boring

 

[tlhc]

my gym is playing,..... whatever i want because i workout at home

as far as the slipknot debate goes,....
i didn't know that they where put together, does anyone have a link where i can read about it?
i absolutely loved their first cd, it was fresh, new and really brutal;
it would be interesting to know the development of the band if they hadn't become popular so quick
but their second cd (beware, just my humble, subjective, biased opinion following) is clearly new-metal, with the only pupose to sell a maximum amount of copies;

i'm of the opinion that they simply got extremely popular too quick, realising that they can make MUCH more money simply by denying their original principles and producing up to date new metal, requested by many different target groups (even lot's of skaters run around wearing slipknot shirts)

by the time i saw them on mtv they where dead for me, but i don't hate them as a band, or the people that listen to them, it's just not my kind of music anymore

and i don't think that you can hate them for becoming a new metal band, because if i would be in the case of slipknot (being unknow for a long time, and suddenly making the breaktrough; at least that's what i've read on their homepage) and i had to decide between being extremely popular and rich or being an underground band that sticks to their principles, i surely would NOT take the latter

as far as comparing slipknot to metallica, well,..... i don't think you can compare slipknot to early metallica (early metallica = before load), but nowadays metallica have changed a lot, they have become sell outs, like slipknot;

please remember, just my humble, subjective opinion

 

[C.U.N.T]

tlhc, i would have to agree with you and welsh power house, slipknot can not be compared with metallica(old or new)

I read about the slipknot auditioned thing as well..i kind of had a feeling before though, they did come from now where.

They are a nu metal band, but that does not make a difference, even though 90% of nu metal stuff is shit!

In london, they are quite popular, but most people think that they suck, which is true.....what kind of a band has a member who just jumps around on stage!!-hahahah, that was funny!

 

[6(SIC)6]

No you cant compare SlipKnot to Metallica at all. Speaking of Metallica i was just playing 'welcome home (sanitarium)', man i LOVE that bit where James goes 'leave me alone!!' followed by that palm-muted rapid-fire down-picking shred, man that bit rules!!

As for the Knot being auditioned *sigh*

It's just a dirty rotten lie that welsh no power house started and now it's having a trigger effect on everyones subconcious. They formed in 1996, released a really shitty album, dropped some old members gained some new then brought out the self titled album, the rest is history.

 

[kracker]

Yes, you are right there sic, but so is welsh.
In 1996,after they left(well chucked) the remaining members (dont know which sorry) were joined by the rest of the new line up, who were auditioned.

I for one dont care, i think they suck any way...just my opinion.
metallica rule.

 

[buffal2001]

GRRRRRRRRR...........sic................................4 THE LAST TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.........Slipknot were auditioned......no lies there.........and the rest is not history.....the rest is shite!!!!!!!

 

[6(SIC)6]

Yes, you are right there sic, but so is welsh.
In 1996,after they left(well chucked) the remaining members (dont know which sorry) were joined by the rest of the new line up, who were auditioned.

Well yeah obviously!!

You dont think that they just let anyone into the band do you? They had to audition them to see if they were any good or not.

My band just finished auditioning bass players, to no avail

 

[Welsh power house]

look sic, this is my buddy, alex...he knows everything about everything metal.

Right, they may have been auditioned, but the fact of the matter is that they were not auditioned by the members of the band , but by THE RECORD COMPANY. This makes them sell outs. They ae selling out because they are letting outside factors influence their music by choosing who is in their band and who is not. it was done for commercial purposes. They may have started out as the hardest of hard, but look at them now! they sell more merchendise than most bands on the planet put together, and i guarendamntee that most of that is to under 15 kiddie goths who think they are the be all and end all of the alternative scene. This is selling out. They are a teeny bopper nu-metal band, becuase the majority of their fan base, at least in our area, is teeny boppers
I find it hard to respect a band that sings about death and pain and all that shit, without having the slightest semblence of talent. To be fair, Joey the drummer is one of the best i have ever seen. But that doesnt make up for poor songwriting, and monotounous, drawn out three chord pap. Im not one of these people who thinks that solo's are essential, but the monotony of Slipknot is just unbearable.
If you like them fair enough. But i, and the rest of humanity, that is, the part with some musical sense, thinks they are talentless shit. Fuck 'ewe, and if 'ewe want it, 'ewe can aves the cunt-jab, right mukka?

Alex Rees
Bassplayer
Over 1000 albums sold

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

Wow, your ignorance stuns me. First off, Slipknot rules, and about that "slipknot auditioned" thing, that is as true as the bible. Until you can prove it there is no reason to believe it. And whats with your on going obcession with "teeny boppers" that is seen so much around this topic? You may think what you will about Slipknot, its your opinion, and everyone has one. However, MY opinion is that Slipknot is the best band out there. Now i wait to be flamed.

 

[S.K.A]

WHEW!!! Just got done reading all this bullshit about SlipKnot. Ok, where should I start? AH yes!!

To the ppl that say that the guitar players from SlipKnot are "shite", tell me me why GuitarWorld magazine voted both of them as the best guitar players around? Hmmmm....I wonder why?

Second, to the morons that say that SlipKnot as a band sucks, why has IMMENSELY popular heavy metal Kerrang magazine voted SlipKnot as the best band in the whole FUCKING planet 2 years in a row? Hmmm.......I wonder why? maybe because the editors from the magazine recognize true talent and they're not some dumb f@ck wannabe (welsh power house) that obviously has no idea what talent is and just talks straight out of his annalyy raped ass.

Third, I can't belive ppl call SlipKnot sellouts. Just because they sell albums doesn't mean they're sellouts. If they were in this for the money, they would have only 4 guys instead of 9. if they were 4 guysthe money would be much greater for the band instead of 9. With 9 guys, they have to distribute the money evenly, thus making their portion alot smaller than if they were only 4. Clearly they're not in this for the money.

Forth, WAIT.....let me stop laughing about this. lol...can't stop laughing. To the cunts that said that SlipKnot was auditioned, all I can say is this: ROFLMAO LOL LMAO
you guys have to be pretty stupid to make these statements. Where did you hear that SlipKnot was auditioned? VH1.com? RFLMAO I know for sure they weren't auditioned so I'm challenging welsh power house to find me proof that they were auditioned. you can find anything online so find me that proof. I'm doing this way ppl can see that Welsh power house is full of shit and just plain lying.

"P: Did you encouter any protesters while you were out on the Ozzfest last summer?

#8: There were some protesters in Springfield, Missouri and in Denver, but in all honesty, I think they were there to protest more against Marilyn Manson than us. But we've had a few--that's okay. Bring 'em on. I've got a big mouth, I'm happy to hear their points of view... as long as they do it in an intelligent, knowledgeable manner. We want Slipknot to bring out emotions in people. That's what it's all about. But let 'em use that emotion in an intelligent manner. What sense does it make to lash out at something just because you don't necessarily understand it?"

this is an excerpt from an interview that Hit Parader did with SlipKnot. Corey says it all. Welsh Power house is neither intelligent nor knowlegeable by making stupid comments like SlipKnot was audiotioned. you fools should really start listening to the music and don't just say SLipKnot sucks. you'll just make fools out of yourselfs by making such idiotic comments. BTW, if you don't understand something, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!

 

[Bongo_from_Congo]

Old AC/DC, GnR and metallica

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

Good post S.K.A!

 

[Welsh power house]

HMMMM,
well done sic, i think it is plain to see that you have gone under a few names here:

S.K.A
luciferlovesyou

mmm, first post from ska on here, and frist two by luciferlovesyou...both who joined up at the same f'in' date!

U silly cunt, i can tell this is you, due to that fucking awful gothic name you silly TWAT!

first things first, those last coments made were made by my friend who is in a band(who have sold over 1000 albums) and know metal inside out, has every kerrang magazine out in the last 2 years...he is in to this shit that much!!

I have read about htis in kerrang, why do you care, they were auditioned which makes them sell outs.

As far as being the best band in the world today.............fuck off you silly prick!!

slipknot are no where near the likes of metallica or any other band who has TALENT, in my opinion, they are the worst band there is.

you cant even compare slipknot to the likes of today's bands:

Foo fighters
hole
stained
megadeth
bon jovi

let alone the likes of

guns n' roses
iron maiden
pantera
ac dc
aerosmith
def leppard
METALLICA
queen
led zepplin


or another great rock band that i can think of right now...

Look, lets just leave it at slipknot were auditioned, making them sell outs, you think they are great and the best band in the world, i think they are the worst and a buch of no talent boy band style metal group.

 

[Welsh power house]

WHEW!!!
Third, I can't belive ppl call SlipKnot sellouts. Just because they sell albums doesn't mean they're sellouts. If they were in this for the money, they would have only 4 guys instead of 9. if they were 4 guysthe money would be much greater for the band instead of 9. With 9 guys, they have to distribute the money evenly, thus making their portion alot smaller than if they were only 4. Clearly they're not in this for the money.

you guys have to be pretty stupid to make these statements. Where did you hear that SlipKnot was auditioned? VH1.com? RFLMAO I know for sure they weren't auditioned so I'm challenging welsh power house to find me proof that they were auditioned. you can find anything online so find me that proof. I'm doing this way ppl can see that Welsh power house is full of shit and just plain lying.


Welsh Power house is neither intelligent nor knowlegeable by making stupid comments like SlipKnot was audiotioned. you fools should really start listening to the music and don't just say SLipKnot sucks. you'll just make fools out of yourselfs by making such idiotic comments. BTW, if you don't understand something, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!

 

[Welsh power house]

lol, u silly cunt, Yes, i read about the auditioned thing in kerrang ages ago and posted it on here ages ago too....so fuck u asshole!

I dont need to prove anything, i think their shit, so do most other people with ears...it seems to me that you are wll into our shit music, so fuck off and jump around on stage like one of our heros, maybe one day a record label will see one of their bands falling head first down the shitter and auditon guys to dress up like assholes and just jump up and down on stage, if your lucky, you might, just maybe....get to play a guitar!!!!!

Holly shit dude, then u would be the next slipshite!!!!

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

Wait a minute welsh, didn't one of the members of Megadeth die?
Megadeth is my second favorite band ever, and by the way, i ain't 6(SIC)6.

 

[S.K.A]

you guys noticed that whenever someone lies, they always mention a friend. Weird, huh? welshguy, take your dick off Ahnuld's ass and show us some proof that Slipknot was auditioned. It's weird that I've had many disputes with cunts like you and they never mentioned about The Knot being at a audition. It's pretty sad that someone has to resort to lying just because they don't like a band. Welshpowerhouse, you should start posting at the www.vh1.com message boards. you'll fit there nicely along with all the fucktards like yourself. btw, im not that sic dude. ask a mod to show the ip's. you'll see. I just can't stand liars. mmwuuahahahahahahha

 

[6(SIC)6]

Welsh i swear to god those two people are seperate people and not me, fuck do you honestly beleive that i'd sink to your level of bullshit?? You WISH i'd be as petty as you. Ask the mods to compare ip's if you dont beleive me.

you cant even compare slipknot to the likes of today's bands:

Foo fighters
hole
stained
megadeth
bon jovi

let alone the likes of

guns n' roses
iron maiden
pantera
ac dc
aerosmith
def leppard
METALLICA
queen
led zepplin

Hole? Iron Maiden? QUEEN!!?? def leppard?? Foo fighters!!??


Oh man!!


hahaha i've been wasting my time here arguing with you about something you know nothing about!!!!


Hole isn't a fucking metal band you fucking dimwit, neither is queen or fuck fighters. Man i've been wasting my time.....


This is about Metal here not your fucking gay bands. I wasn't even trying to compare SlipKnot to those bands as if i'd be so stupid as to compare SlipKnot to Hole and such, thats like comparing apples to wheelchairs.


And welcome to the boards S.K.A and lucifer, nice to see someone else knows their stuff.

 

[BigDdaGanjalist]

Other: Jungle/dnb

fave artists in that genre right now would have to be

Mampi Swift
Stakka & Skynet
Cause4Concern

and always

Kemal and Rob Data (Konflict)

souljah

 

[Jitsuka]

Right first of I would like to say that some of the people here are some of the most closed mided, thick skulled individuals I have ever had the misfortune to come across on a message board.
Somebody doesnt like your opinion or agree with you? Fine, put your case across, not do what WPH is doing which is to flame the people and say that theyre wrong and hes right. Its called opinion mate. If you were to argue with me the way youve been argueing in this thread I would punch you in the face. You dont like Slipknot? Fine, dont listen to them, say you dont like them, give your reasons, then SHUT THE FUCK UP!


Your opinion is not the be all and end all.


right now ive said that, heres my points.

1. Slipknot were auditioned. Whafuk? I have every Kerrang within the last 18 months, and ive never seen anything in it to say that they were an auditioned boy band. I dont think anybody on these boards should just accept that what you say is right, because you say so, which is what your expecting. Give us proof.

2. Slipknot are shit. Thats YOUR OPINION. The operative word there is OPINION. You get your friend in who's had 1000 records sold. Big fucking deal. I could get someone in who's sold more than that, who is a Slipknot fan. At the end of the day its your friends opinion. just coz he's in a fucking band dont make him right. I know several people who are in bands that do like Slipknot, so whos right here eh? No one. Its what you like.

3. They have no where near the talent of a band like Metallica. Your basing this off albums like Load and Reload yes? Im a Metallica fan, but recently they have lost a lot of respect, and the last albums have been shit. If you cant see this then take of the blinkers you have on to give you such a narrow view of the world and have a look. They have got to do a lot to make a good album now.

4. Slipknot are nu-metal. Ignorance at its best. go and listen to Linkin Park. I happen to like them, they make good music, but they are nu-metal. Now listen to Slipknot. Come back and post if you can see the diffirence.

5. Slipknot is gothic music. No that is bullshit. Im at university and one of the most popular bands here is Slipknot, and these are sure as fucking hell not 15 year old goths.

6. Slipknot arent popular. I think someone already posted the awards theyve won here. And the amount of copies of their albums theyve sold. And the tours theyre on. If you want to ignore stuff like that then why are you on a "discussion" board? you should be on an "Im right, agree or get flamed." board. Slipknot are popular, people like them, and people go to see them. Deal with it.

 

[Welsh power house]

Somebody doesnt like your opinion or agree with you? Fine, put your case across, not do what WPH is doing which is to flame the people and say that theyre wrong and hes right. Its called opinion mate. If you were to argue with me the way youve been argueing in this thread I would punch you in the face. You dont like Slipknot? Fine, dont listen to them, say you dont like them, give your reasons, then SHUT THE FUCK UP!


Your opinion is not the be all and end all

2. Slipknot are shit. Thats YOUR OPINION. The operative word there is OPINION. You get your friend in who's had 1000 records sold. Big fucking deal. I could get someone in who's sold more than that, who is a Slipknot fan. At the end of the day its your friends opinion. just coz he's in a fucking band dont make him right. I know several people who are in bands that do like Slipknot, so whos right here eh? No one. Its what you like.

3. They have no where near the talent of a band like Metallica. Your basing this off albums like Load and Reload yes? Im a Metallica fan, but recently they have lost a lot of respect, and the last albums have been shit. If you cant see this then take of the blinkers you have on to give you such a narrow view of the world and have a look. They have got to do a lot to make a good album now.

4. Slipknot are nu-metal. Ignorance at its best. go and listen to Linkin Park. I happen to like them, they make good music, but they are nu-metal. Now listen to Slipknot. Come back and post if you can see the diffirence.

5. Slipknot is gothic music. No that is bullshit. Im at university and one of the most popular bands here is Slipknot, and these are sure as fucking hell not 15 year old goths.

Ok, i have only ever said that this is my opinion, and i stand by my comments, i think they are shit, i have said,
'i think they are hsit, you dont, lets leave it at that'
a few times....

My friend does know his shit, if you wanna debate an issue, talk to him.

Yes that was why this whole shit started, sic compared slipknot to metallica and i dont care about opinion, no one in this world(who knows rock/metal or whatever you want to call it) can say slipknot are superiour in talent to metallica.
I was not talking about reload or load, i was talking about metallica's music on the whole, take any album, i agree that the load and reload are weaker than their previous material but are still great albums(again, my opinion)
I have heard every metallica album there is, like them all....black album and ride the lightening are my favourites.
I still think metallica can make great albums, probably will never make another classic like their 80's material due to the originallity of those albums(exp at that time)

Punch me in the face, haha, wow, thats great!
You dont know me and after that comment, i hope for your sake you never do meet me.
Just because people have different tastes in music, however extreme, does not mean they will end up fighting each other.
I dont think twice about most of the comments sic, or anyone else on here says about me...and i would think all this means the same to them as it does to me...whos gives a fuck...we are all just expressing opinions, sure i get pissed off with people who say metallica are shit, but dont take anything away from them as a person.....like i said, who gives a fuck?
some of my best mates just listen to rap, rap and rap...they still rule but when it comes to music, we never see eye to eye.

I would class slipknot as nu metal. Yeah, linkin park is nu metal, but are a diferent kind of nu metal from slipknot, disturbed, korn and other heavier bands.

I dont know why all of you seem to think i have never heard slipknot, i have and dont want to hear them again...i have sat downand tryed to figure out what people see in them, but call me an old man, but it just sounds like noizzze.

Again, in my opinion slipknot are a gothic band, at least 99% of their followers from around hear are....I think anyone with eyes can see that they are gothic, but does that matter, maybe where u all live u class gothic by other means than we do here.

Sic, when i mentioned those bands, i was comparing them in talent not under a label...alternative, metal, rock whatever....
Rock and metal are not that far apart, yes slipknot are as heavy as heavy comes so it is hard to compare them to hole or the foo fighters, but Dave from the foo fighters is awesome and extremly talented (used to be drummer in nirvana, played everything on 'the colour and the shape')

I odnt know about you, but iron maiden are one of the best metal bands ever, like them or not(yeah cheesy as hell) but have set the way for what metal is today.

Dont take the piss out of queen, No doubt in my mind he had the best voice in rock music ever.
Brian may is an awesome guitarist and cant be compared with any of slipknot's 20 guitarists.

I cant believe you call the bands i mentioned gay.

Def leppard have had some classics, not you taste, dont give a fuck, but are far from a gay band...fool

the bands i mentioned:
guns n' roses
iron maiden
pantera
ac dc
aerosmith
def leppard
METALLICA
queen
led zepplin
Foo fighters
hole
stained
megadeth
bon jovi

Are all talented as im sure most people on here will agree on.
Yeah, some are not metal, but if you look at a 'rock' band like guns n' roses and compare them to a 'metal' band like metallica then there is not so much diference(listen to perfect crime, right next door to hell and paradise city then come back and say they are not heavy)

Heavy does not cover slipknot, they are just noise.

lucifer, with a name like that, i dont care what you say..i refuse to answer to a fucked up name like that...as far as you others go, keep it coming..i can deal with the shit you say, actually this is quite fun...

 

[Bodhidogma]

hole? bon jovi? stained?
you call that talent?
surely you must be kidding....

 

[Jitsuka]

Ok, i have only ever said that this is my opinion, and i stand by my comments, i think they are shit, i have said,
'i think they are shit, you dont, lets leave it at that'
a few times....

My friend does know his shit, if you wanna debate an issue, talk to him.

Yes you may of said "lets leave it at that", its just that you had already kicked off and tried to force your opinion on people already. And i believe what you actually said was "i think they are shit, you dont, they suck, lets leave it at that", trying to get the last word. And as for your friend, it doesnt make a diffirence either way. i know some guys I train with who are in a band that make Slipknot sound light (Im not kidding, these guys make music you dont want your parents to hear!), and one of them worships Slipknot, one of them hates them. As i said, just becasue hes in a band doesnt give him a better opinion, or make him right.

Yes that was why this whole shit started, sic compared slipknot to metallica and i dont care about opinion, no one in this world(who knows rock/metal or whatever you want to call it) can say slipknot are superiour in talent to metallica.
I was not talking about reload or load, i was talking about metallica's music on the whole, take any album, i agree that the load and reload are weaker than their previous material but are still great albums(again, my opinion)
I have heard every metallica album there is, like them all....black album and ride the lightening are my favourites.
I still think metallica can make great albums, probably will never make another classic like their 80's material due to the originallity of those albums(exp at that time)

Well it depends on your view of the two bands. Slipknot have 9 members who all play together, in tune at the same time, whch is a lot harder than have 4 guys playing together. But if you dont like really heavy stuff you probably wont appreaciate the originality, and sheer genius of the original album.

As for Metallica, if Hetfiled ever gets out of rehab then they might make a good album though i agree they wont be able to match their early stuff. Metallica is my fav album, every song on that album is a classic!

Punch me in the face, haha, wow, thats great!
You dont know me and after that comment, i hope for your sake you never do meet me.
Just because people have different tastes in music, however extreme, does not mean they will end up fighting each other.
I dont think twice about most of the comments sic, or anyone else on here says about me...and i would think all this means the same to them as it does to me...whos gives a fuck...we are all just expressing opinions, sure i get pissed off with people who say metallica are shit, but dont take anything away from them as a person.....like i said, who gives a fuck?
some of my best mates just listen to rap, rap and rap...they still rule but when it comes to music, we never see eye to eye.

You hope I never meet you? Whys that? Coz you might decide to hit me? Well your right I dont know you, but you dont know me either, but I assure you that if you did try to hit me, it would be a mistake you'd only make once.
If youd read the post you would realise that i didnt say that I would hit you becasue you have a diffirent opinion to me, i said that if you argued with me the way you argued with the others in real life, i would punch you. As far as im concerned its called respect, i try not to flame people or tell them theyre wrong just because they dont have the same opinion to me.
And as for friends listening to rap. . . . . i did 9 weeks on night shift, where verybody were rap fans, and thats all they played constantly! I was sooooo stressed by the end of it!

I would class slipknot as nu metal. Yeah, linkin park is nu metal, but are a diferent kind of nu metal from slipknot, disturbed, korn and other heavier bands.

Well i cant say about Disturbed as i havent had a chance to listen to much of their stuff yet, but Slipknot are not nu-metal. Ive been listening to metal for a long time and it aint nu metal. And Kerrang say they aint nu metal, and they would know what theyre tslking about.

Again, in my opinion slipknot are a gothic band, at least 99% of their followers from around hear are....I think anyone with eyes can see that they are gothic, but does that matter, maybe where u all live u class gothic by other means than we do here.

See im thinking i might see where the problem is here. What is your deffinition of a Goth? I did just write out the diffirence between Goths and metalheads but it got confusing. Thje diffirences are subtle but there. trust me, as i have a lot of friends who are Goths, and they can tell you that it isnt Gothic Music. And theyve travelled to clubs all over the country to listen to stuff.

I dont know about you, but iron maiden are one of the best metal bands ever, like them or not(yeah cheesy as hell) but have set the way for what metal is today.

Dont take the piss out of queen, No doubt in my mind he had the best voice in rock music ever.
Brian may is an awesome guitarist and cant be compared with any of slipknot's 20 guitarists.

Iron Maiden are well cool! I like them a lot, but as you said theryre very cheesy.

Queen. They kick ass. nuff said.

Heavy does not cover slipknot, they are just noise.

As ive already said here if you dont like heavy stuff you wont appreaciate Slipknot, you will just hear noise. The first time i heard Slipknot, thats all i heard. After i listened to it some more though the riffs and drumbeats came out and i realised its a very complex album. But you have to like that stuff. If you dont you will never hear what im talking about.

 

[buffal2001]

LOOK SIC...................as far as im concerned you can suck my dick cause u obviously have no fuckin idea what you r talkin about..............slipknot=shite, queen etc=talented......i like some shouty stuff eg--------------disturbed but slipknot merely suck!!!!!!!

 

[S.K.A]

LOOK SIC...................as far as im concerned you can suck my dick cause u obviously have no fuckin idea what you r talkin about..............slipknot=shite, queen etc=talented......i like some shouty stuff eg--------------disturbed but slipknot merely suck!!!!!!!

Man you sure did posted a very constructive opinion of SlipKnot. lol. Sic posted good facts about this issue whilst you just say "slipknot sucks". Do us all a favor and get the f@ck off this thread. YOU obviously don't have a clue of what you're talking about.

 

[Jitsuka]

Dude what the fuck is your problem? huh? slipknot = shite not an arguement. its something a six year old would come up with. I think its you that has no idea what your talking about.

 

[Welsh power house]

No, slipknot does not just sound like noise to me, i do happen to like heavy wstuff, like slayer, but i find there is a big deiiference in the quality of slayer(that i have heard) and slipknot who i have no time for..heard once(alot) hated never again.

Buffal2001 is a friend of mine and does know his shit when it comes to music...he tutours music for fuck sake!

No, i am not kidding, bon jovi are exellent.
Jon has a great voice,
richie is a great guitarist and if you look at polls on metal sites, rates quite high.

I love the older bon jovi stuff...ever heard crossroads????
Please, if you dont call bon jovi talent, i think you should not get involved in this.

I don't think staind are anything special, i was just stating that i think they, and hole (not that i like either) are better than slipkknot.
I was giving examples of todays bands which i believe to be far superiour to slipknot, not by how cool they sound, but by the talent they have(or dont have)

Incubus
korn
foo fighters....

The fact is none of us are going to see eye to eye about this, jitsuka and ska, you dont know buffal and you put your foot in it there because he probably knows more than all of us on this board put together.

whoever said,
'if you try to hit me, it would be the last mistake you would ever make'

How do you know, you dont know me, but unless you have boxed like i have, played rugby for 8 years(fights happen in 99%of each match) then dont jump to conclusions by saying you would kill me.
I wont say anything, i have no ill feelings to the people ont his board, only their musical tastes.
Just as a matter of intrest, how many fights have you guys ever had?

 

[nevertoobig]

I agree with the guys that say slipknot are shit. They may be entertaining to watch (to laugh at...rolling around on the floor in those 'scary' masks), but what they play sure does sound shit.

If you have to listen that hard to get the 'riffs' like someone said before, then its just not good music. Good music's usually pretty easy to listen to because you like it, no matter how heavy it is.

The reason slipknot are popular is because they've been marketed well. Their 'shocking' image sells well to little kids just like Marilyn Manson. Kids dont like slipknot because they sound good, they like it because its something different.

You think slipknot would be so sucessful if they lost the image but still played the same music?

IMHO, they sound shite and look ridiculous.

 

[nevertoobig]

I was giving examples of todays bands which i believe to be far superiour to slipknot, not by how cool they sound, but by the talent they have(or dont have)

I think welsh said it well here, Slipknot sell records because they're 'cool', not because of talent.

 

[6(SIC)6]

I'll ignore what buffal said because it was not very constructive and made him sound like a homo.


To whoever said that i wouldn't listen to SlipKnot if they took all their masks and shit off, OF COURSE I FUCKING WOULD.

You dont see the band when you listen to them anyway, you dont see Metallica when you listen to their albums do you?

You see SlipKnot about 20% or even less of the time when you listen to them, it's not important, it's their music that counts and thats whats fucking important here not their image, get your minds off the image argument cos it aint doin you any good.

I mean you have to argue about a bands IMAGE!? Try arguing about the music you fools. You cant find anything to argue about so you argue about image, fuck how stupid.

 

[6(SIC)6]

If you have to listen that hard to get the 'riffs' like someone said before, then its just not good music. Good music's usually pretty easy to listen to because you like it, no matter how heavy it is.

Well if your too stupid to open your ears and listen then go and have a cry about it.

And what are you doing putting the word riffs in quote marks? Thats not a little word i made up you know it's a proper word for a guitar tune.

 

[Jitsuka]

Buffal2001 is a friend of mine and does know his shit when it comes to music...he tutours music for fuck sake!

And as ive already pointed out it dont mean shit when its his opinion. I had a music teacher who started to teach me how to play guitar, and his opinion was that anybody who used anything other than a classical guitar was shit. I dont see how your friend tutoring music helps your arguement in any way.

The fact is none of us are going to see eye to eye about this, jitsuka and ska, you dont know buffal and you put your foot in it there because he probably knows more than all of us on this board put together.

We put our foots in it? He knows more than everybody on this board? Maybe, about playing music and the bands, but as to what he thinks about Slipknot it is his PERSONAL OPINION. Stop brionging him up when it doesnt mean anything.

If you have to listen that hard to get the 'riffs' like someone said before, then its just not good music. Good music's usually pretty easy to listen to because you like it, no matter how heavy it is.

I never said that it wasnt easy to listen to. I said that i didnt like it too much the first time, but liked it more as i listened to it. Its happened with other albums ive bought as well.

The reason slipknot are popular is because they've been marketed well. Their 'shocking' image sells well to little kids just like Marilyn Manson. Kids dont like slipknot because they sound good, they like it because its something different.

So how did they sell so many copies of Slipknot then, when they hadnt been marketed yet? Becasue they had fans, not 15 year old teenie boppers, who went out and bought the album because they like this kind of music.

You think slipknot would be so sucessful if they lost the image but still played the same music?

Yeah, losing the image would cripple them. All those fantastic interactive CD's with videos of everysong on so you can see the band as well as listen to the album whilest at home would be screwed wouldnt they? I mean what the fuck? In case you havent noticed, Slipknot sell their albums on CD. The loss of image would only affect them if theywere releasing their albums primarily on DVD or VHS.

whoever said,
'if you try to hit me, it would be the last mistake you would ever make'

How do you know, you dont know me, but unless you have boxed like i have, played rugby for 8 years(fights happen in 99%of each match) then dont jump to conclusions by saying you would kill me.

It was me. Firstly I didnt say i would kill you, i said that if you tried to hit me you would only make that mistake once, as in, i would make sure you didnt take a second swing at me. But the point here is this.


I AM NOT ARGUEING WETHER I WOULD KICK YOUR ASS OR NOT.

If you go back, i used the "punch in face" analogy to try to get you to argue your point, not to simply say "Im right, your wrong, and your a dickhead." As ive said before if you argued like that in real life, then you would get a punch. Is this so difficult a concept for you to get through your thick skulled brain to the few remaining brain cells? I dont want a pissing contest about how much boxing youve done, or if you play rugby, or you have fights at 99% of your matches.

[sarcasm] Oh no, im so scared now, please dont hurt me Mr WPH[/sarcasm]

Your throwing shit like that in, and ther image in, to look like a big man because you cant back up your arguements.

 

[Welsh power house]

HaHa, yes i only say these things because i want to come across as a big man, you fool, i am a big man!
You guys suck, you have been on this board for howlong, and why....to just post on this descussion?????

A few of you slipknot lovers on here have not posted on any other board....if you are not on here for a good reason, do us all a favour and fuck off!

You are acting as if i ow you an apology for something, when we both are standing by our own veiws...only you few new guys have just come on here and jumped on my case.....for that fuck you all!!

Why join this site, just for one post???

 

[Welsh power house]

slipknot plays the fucking shittiest music ever. motorhead rapes them.

yeah motorhead are good

 

[AlCunt]

I said that slipknot were a poor band. Thats my opinion. I never forced it upon anyone else by saying "This is what you must think" Thats called fascism. And im no fascist.

However i think that some of the claims that slipknot are a bad band have groundings.I thinks its hard to say that their arnt just noise, but then again thats only my opinon.

I like bands to talk about issues that i can relate to. Now im not talking about some pop-punk band lamenting the loss of a girlfriend 15 years ago. I mean real bands with real issues. Thats why i listen to bands Like Tool, RATM and SOAD> These bands sing about things which really matter, stuff that can affect out everyday lives. And although some of the stuff they talk about happens thousands of miles away from my, they still inspire me to get up and do things about what i feel is important. Thats why i find it hard to listen to music that talks about pain and death etc. If you like that sort of stuf, then fair enough.

If you are a fan of classical guitar playing, i e. solo's and old school metal, its very hard to see slipknot as anything other than percussive noise. Thats my opinion. Thats not me saying they are bad musicians, in fact, i rate Joey as one of the best drummers i have ever, EVER seen. And i know what im talking about.

Notice that not once have i used offensive or threatening language. That is because this is a discussion board, not a slagging match. So i really think that 6(sic)6 and co should calm down. It sounds to me as if you are trying to force you opinon on others. Then again thats my opinion

 

[GaryWary]

Slipknot have some excellent songs.... like Wait and Bleed. And some not so excellent ones...

Metallica these days are shite and look at what they did with Napster - money grabbing bastards.

Personally, I don't think you can beat Hard House to train to. OD404, Tinrib, Lisa Pin-Up, Blue Peter, Baby Doc.......

 

[nevertoobig]

well said alcunt.

 

[Welsh power house]

well said alcunt.

Yeah, this is my friend who wrote in undermy name by the way....nice to see ya on here al-cunt!!!

'ave a bit of that u cunt!!!!!

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

Metallica these days are shite and look at what they did with Napster - money grabbing bastards.

Now that is both funny and true. I can't believe they sued another company. They were pretty good. But now....I agree with AlCunt on this issue, they are money grabbing bastards.

 

[6(SIC)6]

Definately money grabbing bastards, it's such a shame.

They just used to tell their fans to fuck off if they said that Metallica were doing the wrong thing with napster. Man i think that is the worst thing you could ever do, i mean like i'm gonna give them all my money after they just told a fellow fan to fuck off, it's the fucking fans that make them popular for gods sake, without the fans they're nothing.

 

[6(SIC)6]

So i really think that 6(sic)6 and co should calm down. It sounds to me as if you are trying to force you opinon on others. Then again thats my opinion

Thats exactly what WPH was doing to me and others, forcing his opinion of lies.

 

[Jitsuka]

Sorry ive been away guys, but i fudged my elbow up at the start of the week! Anyways...

HaHa, yes i only say these things because i want to come across as a big man, you fool, i am a big man!

Whafuk? I assume you do have a full grasp of the English language and understand what the point of me saying you were trying to come over as a big man was?

Thats why i find it hard to listen to music that talks about pain and death etc.

As ive said, and youve said, its all opinion. How you define what a band singing about as "important" is subjective. Ive found several of Slipknots songs talk about pain that im going through.

Take a look at my sig. that is a question that i have asked myself several times in my life when dealing with complete fucktards whose only aim in life is to make others unhappy.

 

[6(SIC)6]

What Sig...

 

[C.U.N.T]

I think the poll speaks louder than you all do, metallica are better than slipknot, by far...i think everyone on here will agree with that but just leave this shit out, look at the damn poll, it is obvious that there are a few slipknot fans on here but you are cleary out voiced by the people who like metal and rock.

 

[6(SIC)6]

I think Metallica are way better than SlipKnot, i dont like them as much as i like SlipKnot, but they are better.

That is not what we are discussing so stay the fuck out until you do know.

 

[Welsh power house]

Why u gotta say that?

He is right in a way, there are far more metallica and good music fans on here (and any were) than there are slipknot fans, if you look back over this post, you will see loads of people say slipknot are shit, but 1 or 2 say metallica are.

I thin this is just about over.....metallica=far better than slipknot are, were or will ever be!

 

[6(SIC)6]

I agree they would of been better if they still were the way they were in the 80's, but no now i think SlipKnot are better.

80's Metallica = Better than SlipKnot

Post 80's Metallica = Not as good as SlipKnot


That sums it up nicely for me.

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

I really liked Metallica before, but after that napster thing, i lost a good amount of respect for them. And now they sued someone for making wheel covers or something...And they suck. Anyway, one reason not alot of Maggots posted here is because not alot of them knew it even was here. As for my musical tastes.....Slipknot, Kittie, Slayer, and Stabbing Westward (Darkest Days, of course), all those bands are better then metallica, in my opinion.

 

[6(SIC)6]

Oh man Slayer, i just bought a live cd of theirs, 'a decade of agression' or something, it's a double cd and it fucking goes off.

Now THEIR guitar playing is FAST!!!

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

Yeah, Slayer...Now theres a band, i can't wait to get God Hates Us All, the name alone is enough to make me want it.

 

[Welsh power house]

Na, the 90's metallica stuff is awesome too.....You can't call any slipknot album better than the balck album.....a 90's album.

Yeah slayer are class....great to work out to.

I think the later stuff metallica have done is class too.
I like all the 90's stuff, and i dont know why loads of you slag off load and re-load..there are some class tracks on there:

the memory remains
fuel
the house that jack built
untill it sleeps
carpe deim baby
unforgiven 2

I personally think that the strongest metallica material has come from the black album, most of their songs that they are know from are on there:

Enter sandman
sad but true
the unforgiven
wherever i may roam
nothing else matters

Cleary the above material is far better than anything slipknot have ever done.
Just look at the black album songs, surely you can't be serious in thinking slipknot have better material than these legendary tracks????

Any body who is more than a cunt without ears can tell you how class that album was, is and forever will be, no matter what you say about post 80's metallica stuff, the black album is one of the best metal albums ever released.

'AVE A BIT OF THAT......

 

[BilboBaggins]

the best music ever was created by Summoning

 

[6(SIC)6]

Oh yeah i forgot the Black Album.

No SlipKnot is not better than Metallica on the Black Album.

But load and re-load sucks balls. S&M was disapointing, about the only song on that that sounded good was nothing else matters. The rest just sounded stupid, i mean they fucking RUINED one for gods sake.

 

[Welsh power house]

S&M was fucking class!!!!

How can't you like this album being a metallica fan, yeah some done sound great, but others were made better.

 

[6(SIC)6]

Meh, i suppose the older fans might appreciate the orchestra more but it just ruined it for me. I'm a fucking HARDCORE metal fan, theres only so much pussy shit i can take.

I just listened to the black album again, i dont like it, 'Iowa' by SlipKnot is better, much better.

 

[the People's Champ]

ever been to a slayer show and live to tell about it? I have

 

[6(SIC)6]

Sweet man what was it like?

 

[Welsh power house]

I just listened to the black album again, i dont like it, 'Iowa' by SlipKnot is better, much better.

Ummm, right.... no offense now, but you have just proven that you dont know anything about metal with that comment. The black album is a classic, if you dont like it, right ho, but 'IWOA' is pure shite and cannot be compared to music of a different level and class completly.

The black album reflects some, if not the best work metallica have ever done. Like i said before, enter sandman, sad but true, the unforvien and nothing else matters are the songs they are know for and which elevated them to another level above most other bands.

Dont insult my or anyone else by saying that slipknot are better than metallica, because that is what you are implying with that comment. Everyone knows, even if they dont like metallica, what a classic that album is.

 

[6(SIC)6]

Man theres no fucking speed metal on that album!!

It's like hetfields arms fell off and he had to play with his dick. The guitars on that album are nothing but slow palm-muted down-picking which sounds cool for a bit then gets boring. The solos are slow and nothing to write home about. A true dissapointment to a hardcore old school tallica fan like myself.

His singing is different in a way i cant point out, it makes me want to kill him. Probably because it sounds like the shit on load and such.


You dont have to take my word for it, in every music store i've seen here the black album is selling for ten dollars or more cheaper than the the first 4 albums which are still at full price.

And load and re-load i havn't even spotted in a store yet.

Oh yes and then theres SlipKnot, still the number 1 album after 6 weeks

 

[GenetiKing]

Actually, Master of Puppets is their most critically acclaimed album and I agree that it's their best. It has been called the best metal album of all time. The preceeding "Ride the Lightning" was seen as groundbreaking as well but just didn't have the crispness of MOP. "And justice for All" was great too but seems thin in places.

Metallica's Black, while a great metal album, was a little short of a masterpiece. Most people accuse Load and Reload of being their "sellout" albums, but Black was where Metallica signed with producer Bob Rock and the tracks became much shorter, with catchier riffs...more designed for radio airtime and mainstream exposure. It's a far cry from the almost 10 minute long and musically sophisticated track "...And Justice for All" from the same-titled album.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Black and I'm the biggest Metallica fan out there. But, if anyone is going to accuse Metallica of selling out, they need to pinpoint Black as the beginning of the end, not Load and Reload.

BTW, I loved S&M. I think S&M's "One" is even better than the original. You have to listen to it from a different standpoint than the original stuff. IMO, it's inspirational.

 

[Welsh power house]

yeah, s&m is great, and i would agree that some tracks do sound better.

Sic, you can't call james a bad singer....whatever album, he has a fucking great voice!

I did not say the black album was their 'best' album, i said that it was the album that took them to a higher level...call them sellouts if you want, they are still in another class from slipknot.

 

[GenetiKing]

No, I love Metallica...they are by far my favorite band. I'm not saying they are or aren't sellouts (they maintain they aren't and that they still make the music they want to). Label them whatever you want, I love everything they've done. Granted, I enjoy their older stuff a little more but I still listen to Load, Reload, S&M, and Garage Inc all the time.

But you cannot deny that as of Black, their style became more mainstream and radio oriented...either by coincidence or on purpose. Regardless, I enjoy their music and I agree with you about Black being a classic metal album...it's truly great, sellout or not.

On a side note...I'm not going to get into the Slipknot vs Metallica argument with you guys because I don't know as much about their history as I do Metallica's but I do like Slipknot. New Abortion is one of my favorite tracks.

 

[6(SIC)6]

Metallica's Black, while a great metal album, was a little short of a masterpiece. Most people accuse Load and Reload of being their "sellout" albums, but Black was where Metallica signed with producer Bob Rock and the tracks became much shorter, with catchier riffs...more designed for radio airtime and mainstream exposure. It's a far cry from the almost 10 minute long and musically sophisticated track "...And Justice for All" from the same-titled album.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Black and I'm the biggest Metallica fan out there. But, if anyone is going to accuse Metallica of selling out, they need to pinpoint Black as the beginning of the end, not Load and Reload..

Yeah thats what i think, that black was the beginning of the end. You are right about the length of the tracks aswel, thats something i didn't notice, they are all shortened now, it's like they are not putting in the effort that they used to.

Master of Puppets is DEFINATELY the best album, i like every song on it except 'the thing that should not be'.


Welsh, i wasn't saying James is a bad singer, i said his voice changed significantly from Justice to Black to something i dont like, it just changed.

 

[Welsh power house]

Man theres no fucking speed metal on that album!!

It's like hetfields arms fell off and he had to play with his dick. The guitars on that album are nothing but slow palm-muted down-picking which sounds cool for a bit then gets boring. The solos are slow and nothing to write home about. A true dissapointment to a hardcore old school tallica fan like myself.

His singing is different in a way i cant point out, it makes me want to kill him. Probably because it sounds like the shit on load and such.


You dont have to take my word for it, in every music store i've seen here the black album is selling for ten dollars or more cheaper than the the first 4 albums which are still at full price.

And load and re-load i havn't even spotted in a store yet.

Oh yes and then theres SlipKnot, still the number 1 album after 6 weeks

Does it matter how much you pay for an album that makes it good or not????
The backstreet boys album's are way more than guns n' roses appetitte for destruction, which IS the best album of all time IMO.
I t stayed in the US album chart for 3 years, and still sells over 6000 copies a week....it was released in 1987!!!
But, it still costs half the price of a linkin park, backstreet boys or britney album.

slipknot have been number one for 6 weeks, great for them..but they will never be a guns n' roses or metallica talent wise.
Their guitarists cant compete with slash or hammet, no matter how big they are!

And so what if the metallica stuff on the black album is slower paced, that does not mean shit.
Nothing else matters, imo is one of the best songs they have ever done, and a cracking solo in there from james(so much for his arms falling off!!) it is packed full of raw emotion....great track.

Metallica can't be called 'sell outs' with the music on this album, it is still heavy metal...what they have always done, different producer....so???
That is not selling out, selling out is making a certain type of music, then changing the style of it completly for a quike buck.
The metallica material has matured yes, but never changed, well not by much. If their sound was identical every album, would they have come this far.......no way!
Matter of fact, would any decent band????

I said that slipknot were sell outs because they had auditioned members brought into the band(auditioned by the record label)....ok their sound did'nt change much at all, but i still class this as way more of a sell out than what metallica did by changing producers, labels or whatever.
Slipknot, imo have always made nu metal so can't be called sellouts for making that type of music, but by having some of their line up auditioned to me is just like a boy band, but targeted at a different audience.
Boy bands target young girls
Nu metal is targeted at the gothic/nu metal trend

I am not having a go at goths with that comment, but slipknot are deffinatley targeted at that audience to make as much money as they can....that is why they were auditioned, to make them more marketable.
I dont blame any band for trying to make money, after all thats what they are paid to do....but dont call metallica sellouts when the band you like haved 'sold out' way more than metallica have.

 

[Welsh power house]

Man theres no fucking speed metal on that album!!

It's like hetfields arms fell off and he had to play with his dick. The guitars on that album are nothing but slow palm-muted down-picking which sounds cool for a bit then gets boring. The solos are slow and nothing to write home about. A true dissapointment to a hardcore old school tallica fan like myself.

His singing is different in a way i cant point out, it makes me want to kill him. Probably because it sounds like the shit on load and such.


You dont have to take my word for it, in every music store i've seen here the black album is selling for ten dollars or more cheaper than the the first 4 albums which are still at full price.

And load and re-load i havn't even spotted in a store yet.

Oh yes and then theres SlipKnot, still the number 1 album after 6 weeks

Does it matter how much you pay for an album that makes it good or not????
The backstreet boys album's are way more than guns n' roses appetitte for destruction, which IS the best album of all time IMO.
I t stayed in the US album chart for 3 years, and still sells over 6000 copies a week....it was released in 1987!!!
But, it still costs half the price of a linkin park, backstreet boys or britney album.

slipknot have been number one for 6 weeks, great for them..but they will never be a guns n' roses or metallica talent wise.
Their guitarists cant compete with slash or hammet, no matter how big they are!

And so what if the metallica stuff on the black album is slower paced, that does not mean shit.
Nothing else matters, imo is one of the best songs they have ever done, and a cracking solo in there from james(so much for his arms falling off!!) it is packed full of raw emotion....great track.

Metallica can't be called 'sell outs' with the music on this album, it is still heavy metal...what they have always done, different producer....so???
That is not selling out, selling out is making a certain type of music, then changing the style of it completly for a quike buck.
The metallica material has matured yes, but never changed, well not by much. If their sound was identical every album, would they have come this far.......no way!
Matter of fact, would any decent band????

I said that slipknot were sell outs because they had auditioned members brought into the band(auditioned by the record label)....ok their sound did'nt change much at all, but i still class this as way more of a sell out than what metallica did by changing producers, labels or whatever.
Slipknot, imo have always made nu metal so can't be called sellouts for making that type of music, but by having some of their line up auditioned to me is just like a boy band, but targeted at a different audience.
Boy bands target young girls
Nu metal is targeted at the gothic/nu metal trend

I am not having a go at goths with that comment, but slipknot are deffinatley targeted at that audience to make as much money as they can....that is why they were auditioned, to make them more marketable.
I dont blame any band for trying to make money, after all thats what they are paid to do....but dont call metallica sellouts when the band you like have 'sold out' way more than metallica have.

 

[Welsh power house]

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Black and I'm the biggest Metallica fan out there. But, if anyone is going to accuse Metallica of selling out, they need to pinpoint Black as the beginning of the end, not Load and Reload.

I dont want to have a go at you or single you out here Geneti, but why 'the beginning of the end'....i think that is a bit harsh, i like load, garage inc, reload and S&M.

 

[GenetiKing]

I dont want to have a go at you or single you out here Geneti, but why 'the beginning of the end'....i think that is a bit harsh, i like load, garage inc, reload and S&M.

Hey bro. I guess I could have worded that differently or explained myself a little better. I was referring to the period in which much of Metallica's hardcore fan base turned their backs on the band feeling that they had left their metal roots. While Black is still regarded as a classic metal album (and I agree that it definitely is), it also angered many of their hardcore fans because they saw it as commercialized album.

I didn't mean to say that this was "the beginning of the end" in terms of Metallica's career, creative flavor, gusto, or viability. It was, however, the end of their initial speed metal phase. I don't think anyone can really argue that after "...And Justice for All" they lost a certain edge to their music that had, up until that point, kept them fairly restricted to an underground following and word-of-mouth circulation. Granted, their sound has changed with each album...each has its own flavor and theme. But the entire structure of how their songs were written became more mainstream-oriented as of Black.

But don't get me wrong. I'm just like you Welsh, I love the post-Black stuff too. In fact, I posted a thread on the training board several months ago asking people what their favorite album to train to was. I said mine was S&M because I find most tracks on it fascinating. (Maybe you can find it in the archives.) Of course some people thought i was crazy for selecting that particular album. But if my house was on fire and I could only grab the pre-Black albums or the post-Black stuff, I would probably grab the early stuff. (Okay, bad analogy I know but...)

Originally posted by 6(SIC)6
You are right about the length of the tracks aswel, thats something i didn't notice, they are all shortened now, it's like they are not putting in the effort that they used to.

I wasn't saying that they aren't putting forth the same effort as before. My only point was that the tracks off Black seem more oriented for a broader-based fan appeal and increased radio airtime. It was unlikely that tracks as long as "Welcome Home (Sanitarium)" and "Call of the Ktulu" were gonna be heard on the radio.

Originally posted by 6(SIC)6
Master of Puppets is DEFINATELY the best album, i like every song on it except 'the thing that should not be'.

LOL! I agree. I love every song on that album but "The Thing That Should Not Be." It just doesn't do anything for me.

 

[6(SIC)6]

Does it matter how much you pay for an album that makes it good or not????
The backstreet boys album's are way more than guns n' roses appetitte for destruction, which IS the best album of all time IMO.
I t stayed in the US album chart for 3 years, and still sells over 6000 copies a week....it was released in 1987!!!
But, it still costs half the price of a linkin park, backstreet boys or britney album.

I didn't say it matters, i just said that even the big record executives are aware that the Black album is not worth charging people full price for.

slipknot have been number one for 6 weeks, great for them..but they will never be a guns n' roses or metallica talent wise.
Their guitarists cant compete with slash or hammet, no matter how big they are!

Actually they can but seeing as you refuse to actually listen to the complicity of Mick and James' riffs on the new album, you wont know that. And at soundcheck you should hear them solo it sounds great (soundcheck in case you dont know is when they check all their instruments before a show to see if they are working). Theres no solos in SlipKnots music because it's not that kind of music.

And so what if the metallica stuff on the black album is slower paced, that does not mean shit.
Nothing else matters, imo is one of the best songs they have ever done, and a cracking solo in there from james(so much for his arms falling off!!) it is packed full of raw emotion....great track.

Actually it does mean shit, it means that they dropped ALOT of their fans that were into the fast stuff, me for instance.

I whole-heartedly agree that nothing else matters is one of their best songs, i learnt it a few months back and it sounds great.

And the solo is by Kirk not james, so my argument that james' arms have fallen off still stands lol

I said that slipknot were sell outs because they had auditioned members brought into the band(auditioned by the record label)....ok their sound did'nt change much at all, but i still class this as way more of a sell out than what metallica did by changing producers, labels or whatever.
Slipknot, imo have always made nu metal so can't be called sellouts for making that type of music, but by having some of their line up auditioned to me is just like a boy band, but targeted at a different audience.
Boy bands target young girls
Nu metal is targeted at the gothic/nu metal trend

They only auditioned ONE member, but i dont think you realise what SORT of auditoning, or even what auditioning is. You cant just get any old person to join a band you know, you have to know that they can actually play. So they sat down the member and said 'play'. He played, SlipKnot liked his skills, he was in. Thats all their is to it. How is that making them 'just like a boyband'? I really fail to see your logic.

And for the record i have NEVER ONCE SEEN any goth who was into SlipKnot, infact they hate them. They know that they are standard straight Heavy Metal which they are not into because it's got nothing to do with death and such.

I am not having a go at goths with that comment, but slipknot are deffinatley targeted at that audience to make as much money as they can....that is why they were auditioned, to make them more marketable.
I dont blame any band for trying to make money, after all thats what they are paid to do....but dont call metallica sellouts when the band you like haved 'sold out' way more than metallica have.

This is where you really start to piss me off.


What are you on about, 'to make them more marketable'!??

They're NOT in it for the money like fucking metallica are what with them and the napster thing.

You dont see SlipKnot crying about napster, in fact they condone it.

Now if metallica were'nt in it for the money they wouldn't care about napster, but they do. In fact, when fans say for them to leave napster alone they tell them to fuck off!! SlipKnot would never do that, they respect their fans, and they would never 'suck the money dick' as the singer Corey so nicely puts it.


You go on about SlipKnot selling out and such, what the fuck!?? They havn't even fucking changed!! They've only been around for like, 2 years!!

Now metallica, first they release the black album, lose alot of fans because of the style of music change. Then they release load and the other shit. Lose more fans. THEN, they go and have a cry about napster, which is perfect evidence suggesting they are only in it for the money, nowadays anyway.

Now how can you say that SlipKnot have sold out more than metallica, when SlipKnot havn't even DONE ANYTHING!!??

 

[buffal2001]

o dear dear dear sic...........still hung up on this debate.......slipknot have now appeared on MTV now sic meaning one thing.......selling out signs....i think so!

 

[GaryWary]

Anyone hear of Static-X? They rock.

Slipknot have one decent track imho - wait and bleed. It's a blinder.

Auditioned? What about Linkin Park - the boy band of metal....

 

[Welsh power house]

No, the solo in nothing else matters IS DEFFINATLEY DONE BY JAMES HETTFEILD...have you seent he video?
I know hammet is the lead guitarist, but james does also perform solos on not just that song but on others....such as orion on M.O.P....he does the first(i think) and hammet does most of the others.

I'm sorry bro, but i think most will agree that slash and hammet are indeed of a different class to the slipknot guys(dont know names) you may be thinking right, he is just saying this because he hates them, not at all, i have heard them and dont think too much of them, dont hate, just dislike their music and dont rate them at all compared to the likes of guns n' roses and metallica.
I do on the other hand think they are just as good as most other bands of today, but you have to agree, even though, you prefer slipknots music to listen to, guns n' roses and metallica are more talented regardless of tatse.

I was not saying it about the band slipknot, but the people behind them are trying to make money, as every label, producer ect wants.

Over here goths of all ages think of slipknot as Gods, but people everywhere change, the goths over there might hate them, i dont know....Christ, we are on the other side of the wolrd!! things and people change from place to place.

LOL, buffal....yeah, they are always on MTV over here, that to me is selling out....my opinion.

Right, you say that you dont like the black album and how they lost alot of their fans with this album, including you in one of your comments, then say you love nothing else matters and have learnt the song in another???
Please you are making contradictions so i dont know where you are coming from with alot of your comments.

to go on about the selling out point, yeah ok, it is not for me to say what selling out is....but, seeing them on MTV with the likes of the backstreet boys speaks alot louder than metallica complaining that their music was being given away.
Hey, if someone tryed to take away my livlyhood i would be pissed..i dont blame them or care that they wanted napster shut down, i would have done the same.

In my mind metallica are far more musically talented than slipknot are and by the looks of their latest video on MTV, better than they ever will be.

peace

 

[Jitsuka]

I said that slipknot were sell outs because they had auditioned members brought into the band(auditioned by the record label)....ok their sound did'nt change much at all, but i still class this as way more of a sell out than what metallica did by changing producers, labels or whatever.

Oh no, they auditioned A band member!! What were you expecting?

Joey: "So your the first guy to audition, we dont need to hear you play anything, your in!"

They have to at least check some things you know.

Slipknot, imo have always made nu metal so can't be called sellouts for making that type of music, but by having some of their line up auditioned to me is just like a boy band, but targeted at a different audience.

Listen.



Slipknot.



Arent.



Nu.



Metal.

I cant make this any clearer to you can I? I have pointed this out to you several times. They have nu-metal influences, but they themselves are NOT NU METAL.

Boy bands target young girls
Nu metal is targeted at the gothic/nu metal trend

As for nu-metal, see above.

Nu-metal is targeted at goths? you insist on using tags for a group of people you still havent explained (Unless ive missed it whilest ive been watching this threead.) Slipknot is not gothic music. Goths generally dont like this. They are the people dressed in black, who will generally be seen wearing pale make up. This is the best example i could dig up at short notice as an example.

(If it doesnt work go to properties and copy, paste the address into your address bar.)

This is a Goth. If you have Goths in Wales that say that Slipknot is gothic music I know several groups of goths from round the country who would like to meert up with them for a little chat.

I am not having a go at goths with that comment, but slipknot are deffinatley targeted at that audience to make as much money as they can....that is why they were auditioned, to make them more marketable.
I dont blame any band for trying to make money, after all thats what they are paid to do....but dont call metallica sellouts when the band you like have 'sold out' way more than metallica have.I was not saying it about the band slipknot, but the people behind them are trying to make money, as every label, producer ect wants.

If theyre in it for the money then why the f*ck are they playing music that is essentially (wether marketed or not) is gonna be a minority audience? They are never gonna make the money that the BSB, or 5ive or any other of the happy horse shit crap thats in the charts is so why bother? Answer, they dont care.

LOL, buffal....yeah, they are always on MTV over here, that to me is selling out....my opinion.

So Metallica have NEVER had a video on MTV? EVER?

In my mind metallica are far more musically talented than slipknot are and by the looks of their latest video on MTV, better than they ever will be.

Of course by LOOKING at a video you can tell how good a band is. That is perfectly reasonable logic of course.

Just thought id add my 2p again.

 

[Thaibox]

PANTERA dammit

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

Ah yes, Pantera, another great band.

 

[Welsh power house]

pantera are class!

Yeah, sorry mate, 90% of the goths here in wales love slipknot, i think goths suck in my opinion, and everyone gives people a label so fuck off and dont judge me you silly little cunt!

 

[Jitsuka]

pantera are class!

Yeah, sorry mate, 90% of the goths here in wales love slipknot, i think goths suck in my opinion, and everyone gives people a label so fuck off and dont judge me you silly little cunt!

Oh im so sorry about judging you in my post, it wont ha. . . . hold on, where exactly did i judge you? Alls i said was that you were saying "Goths" like Slipknot, without explaining what a "Goth" is by you. You say that Slipknot is "Gothic" music based on the "Goths" by you, when i know for a fact that Slipknot isnt Gothic.

 

[6(SIC)6]

No, the solo in nothing else matters IS DEFFINATLEY DONE BY JAMES HETTFEILD...have you seent he video?
I know hammet is the lead guitarist, but james does also perform solos on not just that song but on others....such as orion on M.O.P....he does the first(i think) and hammet does most of the others.


Right, you say that you dont like the black album and how they lost alot of their fans with this album, including you in one of your comments, then say you love nothing else matters and have learnt the song in another???
Please you are making contradictions so i dont know where you are coming from with alot of your comments.

Yeah man i've got the clip on video, it's Kirk doing the solo, James is playing over it with a few basic licks, nothing special, Kirks doing all the work thats why the camera crosses to him. Hammet is also playing a steel guitar in that clip, the solo sounds as though its played on a steel not an acoustic like what james is playing. Trust me i know these things.




No i dont like the black album, just one song off it. Is that ok with you?



And jitsuka didn't judge you at all.

 

[Welsh power house]

Oh im so sorry about judging you in my post, it wont ha. . . . hold on, where exactly did i judge you? Alls i said was that you were saying "Goths" like Slipknot, without explaining what a "Goth" is by you. You say that Slipknot is "Gothic" music based on the "Goths" by you, when i know for a fact that Slipknot isnt Gothic.

Look mate, where i come from slipknot is considered very gothic....but as i said, that does not mean everywhere you go people will have the same opinion about this....how do you define a goth...those stupid people who go around wearing black, painting theri fucking eyes shut weraing slipknot sweats...at least thats what they look like over here.

Yeah, sic i did not know that was kirk playing the solo...But i am pretyy sure james is not using an acoustic...and he seems to follow the exact cords doing it.....i dunno if its kirk, if it is ow well, shit happens i was wrong.

 

[Jitsuka]

And as ive said before, wether you consider Slipknot to be "Gothic" becasue there are "Goths" by you that say it is, Slipknot IS NOT GOTHIC MUSIC. I know a bunch of Goths who also love Metallica, doesnt mean Metallica is Gothic does it?

Slipknot is not gothic, nothing to do with which part of the country you are in.

 

[6(SIC)6]

Yeah James uses an acoustic in that, not sure whether it has a little pick-up in it or just has a mic next to it though.



And saying SlipKnot is gothic is like saying Hanson is death metal.



You know what i'd love to go up to Corey and say 'hey you know what your a gothic band' He'd laugh so much.

 

[Welsh power house]

Ok, what music do you guys consider to be gothic music?????

JITSUKA.....
There are plenty of goths around here that buttfuck the shit out of them, they all love them and yes, agree that slipknot IS gothic music.

They say it, i spoke to a few in college.
Its up to you to agree or disagree but dont say....slipknot is'nt gothic music or that you would love to ask bill bitch cakes from the bitch squad whether or not they are a gothic band.....it is a matter of opinion.
I and everyone around here considers them to be a gothic band so you can shut the fuck up!

 

[Jitsuka]

What? There are some "Goths" in your area who say Slipknot is gothic music, and its a MATTER OF OPINION?

Are you completely fucking dense?

Do you not get this?


SLIPKNOT ISNT GOTHIC!

There isnt anyhting to do with opinion here.

IT. IS. NOT. GOTHIC.

If i was to say to you there are a bunch of goths at my college that say Metallica is gothic music is that right? Of course fucking not becasue Metallica isnt gothic. You know that, i know that, and hopefully anybody with any ears will know that. Because thats exactly what your saying.

And this is very simple. Whether or not the "goths" by you say Slipknot is gothic or not it is not gothic. Gothic music does not include Slipknot. Are you getting this?

 

[6(SIC)6]

This is gothic music: cradle of filth, pungent stench, morbid angel, my dying bride, malevolent creation....etc etc


NOT SlipKnot, thinking they are gothic is so STUPID

Listen to the above bands and then compare them to the knot, you'll see.

 

[Welsh power house]

Right, at least sic said what he thought was gothic music, right ok there is a difference between those bands and slipknot, but most goths around here still like slipknot, and some have told me that they class it as gothic music.

Jitsuka, you can just fuck off, to be honest i have not got the patience to talk to a complete shit head like you...from what you have said on this post is, to me bullshit....what is the point of joining this site just to post on this 1 thread?????????????

You fucking loser!!!

Do us all a favour and get off this thread, try posting something of your own....or go onto another board...training, sports, life....

 

[6(SIC)6]

Goths that class SlipKnot as gothic quite simply, arn't goths

 

[Welsh power house]

And this is very simple. Whether or not the "goths" by you say Slipknot is gothic or not it is not gothic. Gothic music does not include Slipknot. Are you getting this?

HAHAHAHAHA, you stupid asshole!!

Am i getting what, that you joined this site to post on the same question over and over???

That you are a loser???

That you have a fuck all to say here???

It is very likely that you yourself are either a 'goth' and dont want to be labeled that but still wear black evrything, love death metal and paint your face...
Or have close friends who do the same but you dont like people taking the piss out of them by calling them 'goths'

To me you sound very much like the 'alternative' or 'gtohs' over here and say i dont wanna be labeled, i am different to them.......but you never will be, there are millions of people just like you!!
One gothic individual walked past my friends and I today in college and said to her friend:
'I hate people, people are all pricks'

Then told someone who was walking infront of her to:
'get outta my way'

It ruled when he said:
'fuck off you trendy cunt!'

She could not believe it and we all pissed our selves laughing

You would not believe how many goths there are here now, it has become a massive trend, i hate it!

 

[6(SIC)6]

I'm a rocker and if i lived in the 80's i'd be wearing skull t-shirts and torn jeans, but it's not the 80's. So now i wear black cargo pants and army cammo pants of all colours, and black singlets and shirts, the rocker of the 21st century

 

[Jitsuka]

Jitsuka, you can just fuck off, to be honest i have not got the patience to talk to a complete shit head like you...from what you have said on this post is, to me bullshit.

And everything youve said from the start of this thread has been bullshit. Im sure you can survive a few posts of my own BS.

You fucking loser!!!

Im a loser? Go look in the mirror mate, your a bigger loser than i can ever hope to be. When ive put up arguement's to stuff youve said, either proving you were wrong, or showing you cant prove it you gave up argueing and started to insult me.

Whos the bigger loser?

Someone disagrees with you, you insult them, and tell them to fuck off.

Whos the bigger loser?

Your arguements get shot down, so you nit pick on the smallest details and act like that makes you right.

Whos the bigger loser?


You are a thick skulled narrow minded neanderthal. You have no conception of what you are argueing about. You refuse to look at the wider world. Ive said before, your opinion is not the be all and end all.

Opinion is diffirent from person to person. I can accept that. That you have diffirent views to me, i can accept that. But when you COMPLETELY IGNORE FACTS, i cant accept that.

you really are a sad pathetic excuse for a human being. you have my pity.

 

[Welsh power house]

Sic, i was not asking you but there we go.....So you think that the modern day rocker is a goth?
do you think there a difference between the two?

Do any of you guys get called gothic??????

Just wondering..,not trying to take the piss.

 

[Jitsuka]

No im not a goth, i consider myself a Rocker or Metalhead, or what ever they call it in Insestville where you live.

You are not reading my posts are you? No i think not. Go away and go through some of the "Cat sat on the mat" books and when your done, come back and post something after youve read what ive said!

 

[Jitsuka]

Sic, i was not asking you but there we go.....So you think that the modern day rocker is a goth?
do you think there a difference between the two?

Do any of you guys get called gothic??????

Just wondering..,not trying to take the piss.

If you knew what a goth was you would be able to tell the diffirence between a goth and a rocker easily. He didnt say that modern day rockers are goths, theyre nothing alike.

ys the goth thing has taken off recently, but its just a phase, my friends dont mind being called Goths coz they know they are goths, not those happy horse crap wannabes that are doing this coz its the "in" thing.

 

[6(SIC)6]

There is a difference, a big difference but people dont see it.


I for one HATE goths, they're weird.


I'm prety sure goths hate us too, cos we arn't 'one with satan' or something.


So no, the modern day rocker is not a goth.


I've been called gothic before because i used to have fairly pale skin so they equated that with being gothic, meh, their logic i guess.


Goths are scary. They're into blood and death and stuff, and vampires and shit, they like bondage stuff like tight lack leather and boots and stuff. They are all into the pentagram and up-side-down cross shit aswell.


I'm sure some of the more hardcore goths drink pigs blood too.


Rockers are fucking cool, you can easily tell a rocker from a goth, and when a rocker meets another rocker theres a knowing look in their eyes hehehe.

 

[Jitsuka]

Well i dont hate goths, but yeah they are very weird.

They have nothing to do with rockers. My friends are ok as long as theres not a large group of them.

 

[6(SIC)6]

I've never hung around them and i never will, i dont wanna be seen with them.

 

[Jitsuka]

Theyre not too bad, for the most part. Better than the f*ckin trendy-rockers and trendy-goths by far.

those are people i hate. Fuckin bunch of sheep.

 

[6(SIC)6]

Yeah true, trendy fuckers can fuck off and die