Morning training on an empty stomach.

[Prizz]

Nope, not joking! Your body goes into fasting mode after not eating for x amount of hrs after sleep and if you get up and run or do cardio for 45 mins let's say, you are going to burn out fast.
And no calories before lifting is NEVER good, no matter how much body fat you need to lose.
You will burn out quick so what's the point. You just wasted a trip to the gym. Fuel up, have GOOD energy and work out harder and longer.
maybe if you're a die hard wanting to be ripped or thin to the max then yes starve yourself, but it's not healthy or wise!

Hmmmm.... I see your points..... However, cardio in AM shouldn't be as intense as running if youre trying to keep or build muscle..... Personally, I walk for 1hr on an empty stomach, and it works great..... HR doesn't get over 150bpm, it burns fat, and I don't burn out.....

rizz

 

[boxerjake]

I surely don't understand the logic some people have thinking cardio is the super fat burner ... if you really look into the energy pathways ( anaerobic A-lactate ,anaerobic lactate and aerobic ) and see how the body functions you'll find that during aerobic exercise with an increased heart rate your burning as much oxygen for energy as anything else .

When it comes right down to it , your 60 minutes on the stairmaster ends up equaling less then half that bowl or cereal you had for breakfast ..

Cardio is exactly that .. for cardio health , i'd rely more on diet and increasing muscle mass to loose weight then cardio

Muscle is metabolicly active meaning it need to feed inorder to survive ... more muscle you have the more it need to feed on calories or else it leaves .. end of story

Fat can maintain it'self without a source of extra fuel , muscle can't .

Eat clean .. eat right and all you'll have to do cardio for is cardio health not to try sweat off a dozen pounds

 

[SgtSlaughter]

in the diet forum this is talked about ALOT... reference there for more info.

Gaining or loosing weight is SIMPLY:

Calories IN < Calories OUT = Weight Loss

Calories IN > Calories OUT = Weight Gain

Simple as that.

 

[AinteasybeingDiesie]

Gotta have a wak of penut butter before hitting the weights - & an animal pak

 

[SwolK]

I surely don't understand the logic some people have thinking cardio is the super fat burner ... if you really look into the energy pathways ( anaerobic A-lactate ,anaerobic lactate and aerobic ) and see how the body functions you'll find that during aerobic exercise with an increased heart rate your burning as much oxygen for energy as anything else .

When it comes right down to it , your 60 minutes on the stairmaster ends up equaling less then half that bowl or cereal you had for breakfast ..

Cardio is exactly that .. for cardio health , i'd rely more on diet and increasing muscle mass to loose weight then cardio

Muscle is metabolicly active meaning it need to feed inorder to survive ... more muscle you have the more it need to feed on calories or else it leaves .. end of story

Fat can maintain it'self without a source of extra fuel , muscle can't .

Eat clean .. eat right and all you'll have to do cardio for is cardio health not to try sweat off a dozen pounds

you may not burn 500cals while doing the cardio, but it speeds matabolism up throughout the day.

during aerobic, the O2 is not being "burt", it is just the final acceptor in the ETC

aerobic produces 36-38 ATP molecules per glucose
anaerobic produces 2 ATP per glucose

i agree that diet is just as important, probable even more.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

i agree that diet is just as important, probable even more.

I remember a competitor on here (can't think of his handle) that got ready for a competition simply by diet manipulation... ZERO cardio.

 

[boxerjake]

you may not burn 500cals while doing the cardio, but it speeds matabolism up throughout the day.

during aerobic, the O2 is not being "burt", it is just the final acceptor in the ETC

aerobic produces 36-38 ATP molecules per glucose
anaerobic produces 2 ATP per glucose

i agree that diet is just as important, probable even more.

The speeding up the metabolism is just as easy termed the " afterburn " which you can also get from a brisk walk without elevating the heartrate .

A-lactate last no longer then 10 second and burns stored ATP

Anaerobic lactate is call just that because it is the incomplete combustion of glucose which byproduct is lactic acid thus we get sore muscles , this is the pathway 99.99 % of us operate in during weight training .

The word " aerobic " means with oxygen present in the cell and yes the body can function on straight oxygen for energy believe it or not .. Distance runners or tri-athletes are a perfect example .

How much stored glucose ,fat or stored ATP do you think they are burning after a marathon swim then biking and finally running 26 miles ... these guys burn not more then air for fuel at that point .

Don't get me wrong .. i'm not say that aerobic exercise does not have it's place in a weight loose program .. i'm just saying diet and gaining lean muscle tissue would come first on my list .

Couple of my friends compete and they don't do any aerobics and " zero " ab training in the last month .. it's all in the diet

Comes down to what works best for you as well ...

 

[SwolK]

The speeding up the metabolism is just as easy termed the " afterburn " which you can also get from a brisk walk without elevating the heartrate .

A-lactate last no longer then 10 second and burns stored ATP

Anaerobic lactate is call just that because it is the incomplete combustion of glucose which byproduct is lactic acid thus we get sore muscles , this is the pathway 99.99 % of us operate in during weight training .

The word " aerobic " means with oxygen present in the cell and yes the body can function on straight oxygen for energy believe it or not .. Distance runners or tri-athletes are a perfect example .

How much stored glucose ,fat or stored ATP do you think they are burning after a marathon swim then biking and finally running 26 miles ... these guys burn not more then air for fuel at that point .

Don't get me wrong .. i'm not say that aerobic exercise does not have it's place in a weight loose program .. i'm just saying diet and gaining lean muscle tissue would come first on my list .

Couple of my friends compete and they don't do any aerobics and " zero " ab training in the last month .. it's all in the diet

Comes down to what works best for you as well ...

I agree for the most part.

but aerobic "with oxygen"(i know) produces a lot more atp(energy) then anaerobic. more atp = more energy.

seems like you know what you are talking about too.

your right, it boils down to what works best for each individule K to ya

 

[mewalrus]

you may not burn 500cals while doing the cardio, but it speeds matabolism up throughout the day.

during aerobic, the O2 is not being "burt", it is just the final acceptor in the ETC

aerobic produces 36-38 ATP molecules per glucose
anaerobic produces 2 ATP per glucose

i agree that diet is just as important, probable even more.

Sprints, you get both anerobic and aerobic. I wish I could cut on diet alone, but I have more will power to workout than I do to starve.

 

[SwolK]

Sprints, you get both anerobic and aerobic. I wish I could cut on diet alone, but I have more will power to workout than I do to starve.

i agree.

sprints are great, but i cant do them, cant run or jog either. 2 knee operations...

so i stick to the bike and eliptical