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Morning training on an empty stomach.

starskulker

starskulker

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Do any of you train (weights) in the morning on an empty stomach? I know it's good for cardio but is it disadvantages to do it with weights? I have been doing it and have still have plenty of energy and strength. I always blast myself afterwards with a good post workout drink within 15 minutes and a good balanced meal 45 minutes after the drink.
 
If you can handle it than your lucky.....I would never make it even 5 mins into my workout without at least 500-600 cals before.


Kaz
 
mkazzbmf said:
If you can handle it than your lucky.....I would never make it even 5 mins into my workout without at least 500-600 cals before.


Kaz
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So it's alright to "lift" on no cals?
 
If you can handle it, then imagine how much better your workouts would be with food. When lifting weights you want your body to have enough calories to provide a good workout. Oatmeal before workingout is a huge advantage because of its slow release.
 
I can't even imagin training on an empty stomach. Your body is already at least 7 hours without any nutrition and it want's it as quick as possible. Not to mention you won't have alot of power .... or at least would have alot more when you had breakfast
 
I wouldn't recommend lifting on an empty stomach. Why would you even want to? You need nutrients and protein to sustain muscle while you tear it down. Your strength will be down, your energy will be shit, and you won't make any decent gains.
 
i lift/do cardio on empty stomach, except for a protein drink,w/ very little carbs, prior to going to gym. only time i eat calories and carbs before training is if i feel sluggish or if i'm going to train legs. it all depends on how i feel.
 
I cant "lift" on an empty tank...no way..mid thru I run out of steam...and i get mean hunger pains...remember if you've already trained your body to intake cals at a certain time then your going to want to get those cals in...personally if i were you I would injest a banana and a scoop of protien in water before you lift...at least 30-45 min prior...you will see the difference in your lifts after a while...

My pre-workout shake consists of glutamine/creatine/protein a banana, 1 200mg caffeine pill, 1 25mgs ephedrine pill.....
 
lifting on a completely empty stomach is really catabolic...since youve starved your body so long at night already...at least have 10-20grams of whey isolate with 5-10 grams bcaa's+glutamine to prevent catabolism...and a few grams of fiber (in supp form) to prevent hunger/slow digestion of prot (or just use casein)...i also added 3 tabs of propolene (aka glucomann) that has no cals with 12 ounces of water sometimes...its a bulk additive...basically just fills you up, decreases hunger..with no cals...i like hoodia too..
 
Starskulker said:
Do any of you train (weights) in the morning on an empty stomach? I know it's good for cardio but is it disadvantages to do it with weights? .
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Who says it's good to do cardio on an empty stomach?! I never heard this!
Our bodies need fuel whether we are doing weights or cardio.
Having a little protien and some carbs before a workout (cardio or weights) will give you a lot more energy.
Any fine tunes engine needs the proper fuel.
 
I can relate to the cardio on empty if you are trying to cut a little in the am. Blasting off a quick mile or so 5 minutes after you wake up gets you going and its sure to burn some cals and fat. Lifting on the other hand seems odd to do on empty. I agree with the consensus that you need some sort of lifting fuel, or you're sure to crap out mid training.
 
I do cardio on an empty stomach right now because i am cutting. i dont want to go to the gym twice during the day, so yea right now i lift on an empty stomach.

It is possible, but it does affect my workouts. i dont plan on doing it for much longer
 
blueta2 said:
Who says it's good to do cardio on an empty stomach?! I never heard this!
Our bodies need fuel whether we are doing weights or cardio.
Having a little protien and some carbs before a workout (cardio or weights) will give you a lot more energy.
Any fine tunes engine needs the proper fuel.
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I'm assuming youre joking, but you might not be.... You do AM cardio on an empty stomach cause during the night your body starts to use Free fatty acids for fuel over stored carbs..... So, when you wake up, your body is in fat burning mode, and it's ready to burn some fat..... If you do cardio before eating any calories, your body will continue to use Fat for energy during your cardio...... This means that your entire cardio session is being fueled by stored fat..... It's the best time to do cardio.... You don't need fuel to do cardio, gotta keep the cardio realitively light if your lifting for muscle anyway, so stored fuel is plenty.....

As for the lifting weights on an empty stomach...... I gotta say it's prob not a good idea, unless youre really endomorphic and have alot of BF to lose.... If that's the case, your 1st goal is Fatloss, not muscle growth, so no calories before lifting could be good..... I'm Endomorphic, but I don't have much fat to lose now, so I have a protein shake 2hrs before working out, and that's it..... It has a small amount of carbs, but not much..... I'm strong as hell in the gym, no probs at all..... Like you've heard a million times on this board, everyone is different..... You gotta do what works for you, and what your goals are..... Try it out for a bit if you wanna see what it does for ya.... Learning what works for you is what this game is all about....

rizz
 
I use to train early in the AM before work so i'd have my evening free .. plus the gym was cool and empty as an added bonus .

I found that i always needed a carb or my workout was shit .. just did'nt have the energy without it .
 
Prizz said:
I'm assuming youre joking, but you might not be.... You do AM cardio on an empty stomach cause during the night your body starts to use Free fatty acids for fuel over stored carbs..... So, when you wake up, your body is in fat burning mode, and it's ready to burn some fat..... If you do cardio before eating any calories, your body will continue to use Fat for energy during your cardio...... This means that your entire cardio session is being fueled by stored fat..... It's the best time to do cardio.... You don't need fuel to do cardio, gotta keep the cardio realitively light if your lifting for muscle anyway, so stored fuel is plenty.....

As for the lifting weights on an empty stomach...... I gotta say it's prob not a good idea, unless youre really endomorphic and have alot of BF to lose.... If that's the case, your 1st goal is Fatloss, not muscle growth, so no calories before lifting could be good..... I'm Endomorphic, but I don't have much fat to lose now, so I have a protein shake 2hrs before working out, and that's it..... It has a small amount of carbs, but not much..... I'm strong as hell in the gym, no probs at all..... Like you've heard a million times on this board, everyone is different..... You gotta do what works for you, and what your goals are..... Try it out for a bit if you wanna see what it does for ya.... Learning what works for you is what this game is all about....

rizz
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Nope, not joking! Your body goes into fasting mode after not eating for x amount of hrs after sleep and if you get up and run or do cardio for 45 mins let's say, you are going to burn out fast.
And no calories before lifting is NEVER good, no matter how much body fat you need to lose.
You will burn out quick so what's the point. You just wasted a trip to the gym. Fuel up, have GOOD energy and work out harder and longer.
maybe if you're a die hard wanting to be ripped or thin to the max then yes starve yourself, but it's not healthy or wise!
 
blueta2 said:
Nope, not joking! Your body goes into fasting mode after not eating for x amount of hrs after sleep and if you get up and run or do cardio for 45 mins let's say, you are going to burn out fast.
And no calories before lifting is NEVER good, no matter how much body fat you need to lose.
You will burn out quick so what's the point. You just wasted a trip to the gym. Fuel up, have GOOD energy and work out harder and longer.
maybe if you're a die hard wanting to be ripped or thin to the max then yes starve yourself, but it's not healthy or wise!
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good debate here. Where are you getting your info for this side of the debate? I would love to finally get to the bottom of this issue because it seems like a neverending argument.
 
blueta2 said:
Nope, not joking! Your body goes into fasting mode after not eating for x amount of hrs after sleep and if you get up and run or do cardio for 45 mins let's say, you are going to burn out fast.
And no calories before lifting is NEVER good, no matter how much body fat you need to lose.
You will burn out quick so what's the point. You just wasted a trip to the gym. Fuel up, have GOOD energy and work out harder and longer.
maybe if you're a die hard wanting to be ripped or thin to the max then yes starve yourself, but it's not healthy or wise!
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Hmmmm.... I see your points..... However, cardio in AM shouldn't be as intense as running if youre trying to keep or build muscle..... Personally, I walk for 1hr on an empty stomach, and it works great..... HR doesn't get over 150bpm, it burns fat, and I don't burn out.....

rizz
 
I surely don't understand the logic some people have thinking cardio is the super fat burner ... if you really look into the energy pathways ( anaerobic A-lactate ,anaerobic lactate and aerobic ) and see how the body functions you'll find that during aerobic exercise with an increased heart rate your burning as much oxygen for energy as anything else .

When it comes right down to it , your 60 minutes on the stairmaster ends up equaling less then half that bowl or cereal you had for breakfast ..

Cardio is exactly that .. for cardio health , i'd rely more on diet and increasing muscle mass to loose weight then cardio

Muscle is metabolicly active meaning it need to feed inorder to survive ... more muscle you have the more it need to feed on calories or else it leaves .. end of story

Fat can maintain it'self without a source of extra fuel , muscle can't .

Eat clean .. eat right and all you'll have to do cardio for is cardio health not to try sweat off a dozen pounds
 
in the diet forum this is talked about ALOT... reference there for more info.

Gaining or loosing weight is SIMPLY:

Calories IN < Calories OUT = Weight Loss

Calories IN > Calories OUT = Weight Gain

Simple as that.
 
boxerjake said:
I surely don't understand the logic some people have thinking cardio is the super fat burner ... if you really look into the energy pathways ( anaerobic A-lactate ,anaerobic lactate and aerobic ) and see how the body functions you'll find that during aerobic exercise with an increased heart rate your burning as much oxygen for energy as anything else .

When it comes right down to it , your 60 minutes on the stairmaster ends up equaling less then half that bowl or cereal you had for breakfast ..

Cardio is exactly that .. for cardio health , i'd rely more on diet and increasing muscle mass to loose weight then cardio

Muscle is metabolicly active meaning it need to feed inorder to survive ... more muscle you have the more it need to feed on calories or else it leaves .. end of story

Fat can maintain it'self without a source of extra fuel , muscle can't .

Eat clean .. eat right and all you'll have to do cardio for is cardio health not to try sweat off a dozen pounds
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you may not burn 500cals while doing the cardio, but it speeds matabolism up throughout the day.

during aerobic, the O2 is not being "burt", it is just the final acceptor in the ETC

aerobic produces 36-38 ATP molecules per glucose
anaerobic produces 2 ATP per glucose

i agree that diet is just as important, probable even more.
 
SwolK said:
i agree that diet is just as important, probable even more.
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:)

I remember a competitor on here (can't think of his handle) that got ready for a competition simply by diet manipulation... ZERO cardio.
 
SwolK said:
you may not burn 500cals while doing the cardio, but it speeds matabolism up throughout the day.

during aerobic, the O2 is not being "burt", it is just the final acceptor in the ETC

aerobic produces 36-38 ATP molecules per glucose
anaerobic produces 2 ATP per glucose

i agree that diet is just as important, probable even more.
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The speeding up the metabolism is just as easy termed the " afterburn " which you can also get from a brisk walk without elevating the heartrate .

A-lactate last no longer then 10 second and burns stored ATP

Anaerobic lactate is call just that because it is the incomplete combustion of glucose which byproduct is lactic acid thus we get sore muscles , this is the pathway 99.99 % of us operate in during weight training .

The word " aerobic " means with oxygen present in the cell and yes the body can function on straight oxygen for energy believe it or not .. Distance runners or tri-athletes are a perfect example .

How much stored glucose ,fat or stored ATP do you think they are burning after a marathon swim then biking and finally running 26 miles ... these guys burn not more then air for fuel at that point .

Don't get me wrong .. i'm not say that aerobic exercise does not have it's place in a weight loose program .. i'm just saying diet and gaining lean muscle tissue would come first on my list .

Couple of my friends compete and they don't do any aerobics and " zero " ab training in the last month .. it's all in the diet

Comes down to what works best for you as well ...
 
boxerjake said:
The speeding up the metabolism is just as easy termed the " afterburn " which you can also get from a brisk walk without elevating the heartrate .

A-lactate last no longer then 10 second and burns stored ATP

Anaerobic lactate is call just that because it is the incomplete combustion of glucose which byproduct is lactic acid thus we get sore muscles , this is the pathway 99.99 % of us operate in during weight training .

The word " aerobic " means with oxygen present in the cell and yes the body can function on straight oxygen for energy believe it or not .. Distance runners or tri-athletes are a perfect example .

How much stored glucose ,fat or stored ATP do you think they are burning after a marathon swim then biking and finally running 26 miles ... these guys burn not more then air for fuel at that point .

Don't get me wrong .. i'm not say that aerobic exercise does not have it's place in a weight loose program .. i'm just saying diet and gaining lean muscle tissue would come first on my list .

Couple of my friends compete and they don't do any aerobics and " zero " ab training in the last month .. it's all in the diet

Comes down to what works best for you as well ...
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I agree for the most part.

but aerobic "with oxygen"(i know) produces a lot more atp(energy) then anaerobic. more atp = more energy.

seems like you know what you are talking about too.

your right, it boils down to what works best for each individule :) K to ya
 
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SwolK said:
you may not burn 500cals while doing the cardio, but it speeds matabolism up throughout the day.

during aerobic, the O2 is not being "burt", it is just the final acceptor in the ETC

aerobic produces 36-38 ATP molecules per glucose
anaerobic produces 2 ATP per glucose

i agree that diet is just as important, probable even more.
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Sprints, you get both anerobic and aerobic. I wish I could cut on diet alone, but I have more will power to workout than I do to starve.
 
mewalrus said:
Sprints, you get both anerobic and aerobic. I wish I could cut on diet alone, but I have more will power to workout than I do to starve.
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i agree.

sprints are great, but i cant do them, cant run or jog either. 2 knee operations...

so i stick to the bike and eliptical
 
As far as early morning cardio is concerned, it's simple, if you put 300cals in and go to the gym and do cardio and burn 300cals, to me, your back at square root 1 . 2 steps forward-2 steps back.
 
I have never really had a problem at all and I work out every morning at 5:30. I don't feel right if I have something in my stomach that early. But sometimes I will have a muscle milk shake or something.
Other then that I don't have any energy issues.
 
That's some really good posts there Jake..... However, like you stated, cardio does burn calories, and boosts the metabolism after you stop..... Ok, maybe it doesn't burn TONS of calories, but it still burns some.... I also know a few guys that never do cardio, and can get ripped easily..... Some of us though need Diet, cardio, weight training, and Fat burners to get ripped..... Still, some great info in those posts.....

rizz
 
Prizz said:
That's some really good posts there Jake..... However, like you stated, cardio does burn calories, and boosts the metabolism after you stop..... Ok, maybe it doesn't burn TONS of calories, but it still burns some.... I also know a few guys that never do cardio, and can get ripped easily..... Some of us though need Diet, cardio, weight training, and Fat burners to get ripped..... Still, some great info in those posts.....

rizz
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ahh.

the joys of being an endomorph(like me)

have to do everything to get/stay lean
 
SwolK said:
ahh.

the joys of being an endomorph(like me)

have to do everything to get/stay lean
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Yeah it's great isn't it? lol..... I'm at least pretty Mesomorphic too, so I get big pretty easy, and maintain gains naturally well too..... But the constant fucking dieting and ECA/Clen use drives me nuts.....

rizz
 
Prizz said:
Hmmmm.... I see your points..... However, cardio in AM shouldn't be as intense as running if youre trying to keep or build muscle..... Personally, I walk for 1hr on an empty stomach, and it works great..... HR doesn't get over 150bpm, it burns fat, and I don't burn out.....

rizz
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Very good point. Defining what kind of cardio is important. Are u running at a 10 minute mile pace? or are you doing 4*400's. Huge difference on what your body needs.

--Techbaseball
 
Prizz said:
Yeah it's great isn't it? lol..... I'm at least pretty Mesomorphic too, so I get big pretty easy, and maintain gains naturally well too..... But the constant fucking dieting and ECA/Clen use drives me nuts.....

rizz
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you got a pm bro
 
SwolK said:
ahh.
the joys of being an endomorph(like me)
have to do everything to get/stay lean
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agreed... I'd classify myself as an endo/mesomorph...

I will NEVER bulk without some cardio at the very least ever again! :coffee:
 
sgtslaughter said:
agreed... I'd classify myself as an endo/mesomorph...

I will NEVER bulk without some cardio at the very least ever again! :coffee:
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the other day i started reading your thread about dieting for the first time. i need to kepp reading it.

i agree, for me bf is the enemy. i can put the muscle on relitively easy
 
boxerjake said:
Cardio is exactly that .. for cardio health , i'd rely more on diet and increasing muscle mass to loose weight then cardio

Eat clean .. eat right and all you'll have to do cardio for is cardio health not to try sweat off a dozen pounds
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I 100% agree with this....I lost a good amount of weight and went down from a size 14 to a size 3 by just doing weights and eating clean. I never did cardio.
Every person is different on how we lose/gain and maintain weight, but really we are all the same in that we need fuel to function right.
Eating clean before and after a work out just makes sense.
 
I am an endomorph as well, I can slap on slabs of new muscle quite easily but it takes exhausting cardio and extensive dieting with all the supp's to make my waistline move inwards. (6"4 250 36"jean waist), any tips rizz or swolk?
 
dr_skier said:
I am an endomorph as well, I can slap on slabs of new muscle quite easily but it takes exhausting cardio and extensive dieting with all the supp's to make my waistline move inwards. (6"4 250 36"jean waist), any tips rizz or swolk?
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man this is me to a tee. I am will bump this post in hopes of getting more info.
 
Haven't read the whole thread so hope I'm not beating a dead horse . . .

From what I understand, it's not a good idea to lift on a totally empty stomach, first thing in the AM, due to low blood glucose levels and other scientific crap. Basically, it's so easy to pull out of the fasted state--drink a glass or two of milk or take 10-20 g. of whey + a piece of fruit/slice of toast--that there's no good reason not to.
 
I have a slightly different question.... for lack of a better way of putting this, is it "bad" to do cardio or even low-intensity (fat-burning) aerobic training *after* you're done lifting, say for 30-40 minutes?

I typically do cardio on my days off.... but have been putting in some extra time on the bike / eliptical after my workouts lately.... I don't want to risk compromising the results of my weight-training by doing cardio afterwards?
 
perhaps im the only one but i have been lifting on an empty stomach (well somewhat empty, see below) and seeing great results as i am cutting....

strength is fine 2 weeks ago deadlifts 405 for 2 sets of 8, no straps no wraps no belt no shoes, could have done more but i progressively add weight each week....

started cutting at 220 around november and today am sitting at 200 and stronger, cant explain that one .........and im on NO gear

as soon as i wake i take in 10grams glutamine then prepare 1 cup green tea, drink it wait 5 mins after that and take in amplify 02 (2 scoops) along with extra l-arginine and thats it...then i proceed to the gym....

i also do cardio directly after lifting for 30mins and then later in the day as well...but i only weight train 3 days a week......


other supps i use include
glucorell (first 3 meals which contain carbs)
pure cee (post workout)
isopure protein (glass bottles) (1 bottle post workout)
vit c
multi vit


well thats it again perhaps im the only one but its working great thus far and i am as strong as when i weighed more along with looking ALOT better and no im not new to weights ive been doing this for about 7 years...

peace
 
i never wat before training in the morn. it's too fucking much for me to get up @ 5am, eat, wait around 30 mins,(gyms only 2 miles up the road) then work out, I've seen good results, maybe coule have seen better but to eat that early is just too much for me. rarely do i peter out in the middle of the workout too. i do however get in a pwo within 30 mins of training though.
 
njmuscleguy said:
I have a slightly different question.... for lack of a better way of putting this, is it "bad" to do cardio or even low-intensity (fat-burning) aerobic training *after* you're done lifting, say for 30-40 minutes?

I typically do cardio on my days off.... but have been putting in some extra time on the bike / eliptical after my workouts lately.... I don't want to risk compromising the results of my weight-training by doing cardio afterwards?
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No, youre not compromising your results if you do cardio after weight training..... That is another key time to do cardio, cause your body is in fat burning mode again..... It gets this way cause you just trained for over 20mins, and the body realizes it needs to dip into its' fat stores to fuel the workout..... So, doing light cardio after hitting the weights continues the fat burning...... Now there are other variables here..... 1st is body type like always..... If your Ecto, your body is more prone to use muscle as energy.... If youre Endo, your body is more prone to burn fat as energy.... 2nd is AAS..... If youre on a cycle, your body will be less catabolic by blocking Cortisol, so cardio after weight training will be more likely to burn fat..... 3rd is personal training goals..... If your main goal is to lose fat, then doing cardio is worth the lil muscle you might burn to burn even more fat.... After the cardio, drink your post workout drink ASAP.....

rizz
 
Prizz said:
No, youre not compromising your results if you do cardio after weight training..... That is another key time to do cardio, cause your body is in fat burning mode again..... It gets this way cause you just trained for over 20mins, and the body realizes it needs to dip into its' fat stores to fuel the workout..... So, doing light cardio after hitting the weights continues the fat burning...... Now there are other variables here..... 1st is body type like always..... If your Ecto, your body is more prone to use muscle as energy.... If youre Endo, your body is more prone to burn fat as energy.... 2nd is AAS..... If youre on a cycle, your body will be less catabolic by blocking Cortisol, so cardio after weight training will be more likely to burn fat..... 3rd is personal training goals..... If your main goal is to lose fat, then doing cardio is worth the lil muscle you might burn to burn even more fat.... After the cardio, drink your post workout drink ASAP.....

rizz
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bro, K to you for this post. ive always wondered if i was doing myself a disservice doing cardio right after i lift, but i dont have any other time to do it. im glad to hear its not going to effect the work i put in before i hop on the treadmill.
 
Prizz said:
No, youre not compromising your results if you do cardio after weight training..... That is another key time to do cardio, cause your body is in fat burning mode again..... It gets this way cause you just trained for over 20mins, and the body realizes it needs to dip into its' fat stores to fuel the workout..... So, doing light cardio after hitting the weights continues the fat burning...... Now there are other variables here..... 1st is body type like always..... If your Ecto, your body is more prone to use muscle as energy.... If youre Endo, your body is more prone to burn fat as energy.... 2nd is AAS..... If youre on a cycle, your body will be less catabolic by blocking Cortisol, so cardio after weight training will be more likely to burn fat..... 3rd is personal training goals..... If your main goal is to lose fat, then doing cardio is worth the lil muscle you might burn to burn even more fat.... After the cardio, drink your post workout drink ASAP.....

rizz
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what you say makes sense and puts my mind at ease

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Prizz again.
 
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