MMA Pride fighters test positive

[Demonix]

I train with pro(UFC/Pride) and amateur fighters. And me being amateur level now. And I would say at least half use and most have used in the past.

When guys reach pro they just switch to short acting gear and HGH.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

Disagreeing strongly. This is the same weak arguement made five years ago why baseball players weren't juicing - no amount of juice is going to make you hit a 100mph fastball, its all genetic reflexes, etc. Bottom line is they make a good athlete better, and so everyone was/is taking them.

I am with sharks...I have been fighting for a long time and gear helps with everything. I am not saying that a punch will not knock someone out who is on gear. When it comes down to it it is what you bring to the table that day...But I will tell you that having the recovery, to have more time on the mat, to have more time healing and recoverying....being able to bring your A game is all preparation. And the gear helps you with preparation. It does not help you with the actual fight much but it helps with all the preparation.

Cauliflower

 

[gimp]

when we say recovery, its not...recovery from injuries per se. it's ..overall recovery. when I'm on I can lift 5-6days per week. train BJJ 3 times per week.and I never seem to run out of energy. when off...it's a different picture, it takes me way longer to recover from a workout. I have to reduce my training and it's intensity. in the long run, when I use steroids I can train longer, more intense and more frequently than when off, technique has everything to do with success, but, if I have had the advantage of being able to do more cardio, or lift weights more often in addition to technique, I will likely have an edge. that's the advantage of the increased recovery that steroids offer.

 

[ruggerpascal]

i think cauliflower ear and gimp are on the right path.

 

[Djimbe]

technique has everything to do with success, but, if I have had the advantage of being able to do more cardio, or lift weights more often in addition to technique, I will likely have an edge. that's the advantage of the increased recovery that steroids offer.

NTM that Technique comes from Repitition , so the more you train your TEchniques ...

 

[palehorse51]

My point is that the benefit to Fighters is MINIMAL, compared to other sports. If you are in a benching competition, if the guy is much stronger than you, He will beat you. If you are doing a 100 meter dash, and the guy next to you is Faster, he will beat you. If you are running a marathon, and there is a guy with much more stamina than the rest, he will win.

If steroids did in fact make you Faster, stronger and increased your stamina. In these sports, you would have a huge advantage...

In fighting however…

When you are a fighter, you go up against guys who are much Stronger than you, much Faster than you, in some instances 100lbs heavier than you. Or a guy who has more stamina than you... And you can still beat them, you can still WIN against a faster opponent by using superior tactics(Randy Couture), you can beat guys 200lbs heavier than you, if you employee with laser precise technique(Royce Gracie). Or you can just throw a lucky punch and KO a guy who has every tool possible to destroy you, (Kevin Randelman vs. CroCop #1).

The most primitive sport on earth(fighting), has so many variables, than Steroids can not affect the outcome with as much consequence as some of the more sophisticated sports where wining is measured to the 100th of a second

Total B.S. What do you mean "If steroids did in fact make you Faster, stronger and increased your stamina. In these sports, you would have a huge advantage..." if, IF???? WTF?

You take 2 guys, same skill level, same conditioning, same speed. The stronger guy will win. Steroids make you stronger. At that high of a level it is about getting any edge you can.

Steroids and GH, IGF-1 etc... are used by ALOT of MMA fighters. It absolutely helps with recovery, strength, speed, endurance, aggression, which fuels training sessions.

As was stated earlier, different types of AAS are used and they are just used differently than bodybuilders.

 

[Dr. JK]

I have been fighting for a long time (over 10 years) and I can tell you that steroids can/will help not only in strength but also confidence, endurance & muscle hardness.(Halo & Winny)...When I was on winny and Halo I didn't feel as much pain from the kicks/punches due to my muscle hardness

For my last tournament (full contact Karate) I was (OFF cycle) and on 20mg of Nolvadex during the last week. It helped me pick up my speed with the water loss..

Every little bit counts, mental, physical & spiritual..

Having said that if your not 100% prepared/focused and in control of your emotions, no steroid will help you...

I agree with Rick on the chin...I have fought guys juiced to the max and they could not take punch....That's how they are born...BUT as you get used to getting hit it becomes "2nd nature" to you and are able to recover/take the shot better...

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Total B.S. What do you mean "If steroids did in fact make you Faster, stronger and increased your stamina. In these sports, you would have a huge advantage..." if, IF???? WTF?

You take 2 guys, same skill level, same conditioning, same speed. The stronger guy will win. Steroids make you stronger. At that high of a level it is about getting any edge you can.

Steroids and GH, IGF-1 etc... are used by ALOT of MMA fighters. It absolutely helps with recovery, strength, speed, endurance, aggression, which fuels training sessions.

As was stated earlier, different types of AAS are used and they are just used differently than bodybuilders.

There are benefits to having more Testosterone in your system during the training weeks leading up to competition. But it is what you bring with you on that day that counts. MMA has too many variables, too many.

Like I said, steroids do help but are not the final answer people make them out to be... little while ago I read a thread where some dumbasses were claiming steroids would help you in in a war. Yeah, on a battle field with bomb and bullets flying around, anabolics were suppose to help you... (?)

This view of steroids being a cure-all improve-all is scary and irresponsible at best.

In fact, SOME steroids will HURT your progress when it comes to fighting or any kind of endurance sports.

I'm not sure that anabolics can make you impervious to pain, many opiates would do a much better job of this with less negative impacts on performance... I think the edge steroids provide to a fighter is mostly mental.




-BRR

 

[gnormous]

Gh /igf Maybe /epo And A Few Other Things Can Help Your Performance But I Know I Fight Mma And When Im On Any Test Or Androgenics I Gas Out /& Cramp Up Bad ! I Usually Drop The Juice Before A Fight And Just Go On Growth Or Igf Bas Rutten Is The Best Example Of A Drugg Free Ass Kicker! Bas Is The Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! You Know! ~g~

 

[Mysterio]

I'm not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.

My point is that the benefit to Fighters is MINIMAL, compared to other sports. If you are in a benching competition, if the guy is much stronger than you, He will beat you. If you are doing a 100 meter dash, and the guy next to you is Faster, he will beat you. If you are running a marathon, and there is a guy with much more stamina than the rest, he will win.

If steroids did in fact make you Faster, stronger and increased your stamina. In these sports, you would have a huge advantage...

In fighting however…

When you are a fighter, you go up against guys who are much Stronger than you, much Faster than you, in some instances 100lbs heavier than you. Or a guy who has more stamina than you... And you can still beat them, you can still WIN against a faster opponent by using superior tactics(Randy Couture), you can beat guys 200lbs heavier than you, if you employee with laser precise technique(Royce Gracie). Or you can just throw a lucky punch and KO a guy who has every tool possible to destroy you, (Kevin Randelman vs. CroCop #1).

The most primitive sport on earth(fighting), has so many variables, than Steroids can not affect the outcome with as much consequence as some of the more sophisticated sports where wining is measured to the 100th of a second.


PS: I don’t care what anybody tells you. You are BORN with your chin. If it is made of glass, no amount of steroids will ever keep you from going to sleep if it gets tagged right. Some people think anabolics gives them an edge because AAS makes you “aggressive”… I don’t care how mad you get in the ring, when it is lights out, it is light the fuck out… your brain is just not talking to your body anymore, I don’t care how mad a fighter gets on Halo … He can be really mad and aggressive while he lays on the canvas legs ignoring him and his eye balls dancing all around the room.

Thats so right. Just like punching power. You can work on punching power forever but if you don't have that snap you just don't got it. That can't be learned. It's something your just born with it.