MMA Pride fighters test positive

[spikemydog]

people cheat but theres no free ride with a/s. you still have to train extreme and diet.

 

[mlong23]

Huge shocker!!! Pro athletes using enhancers. We should just go back to the old days of sports, when guys didn't lift weights, no dietary information and everyone played sports in chuck taylors.

 

[redsamurai]

I think the users among fighters are a minority.

-BRR

I don't.....I've heard the recovery time for overseas fighters, both from wear and tear and from serious injuries, is markedly faster......hmmmm, wonder what that's about. It's funny, people still associate the mass monsters with the extreme roid use....so of course coleman, randleman and such get called out......but in the fight game they're not using roids to build mass.....they just use them differently then bodybuilders.

 

[KD1]

I think the users among fighters are a minority.

-BRR

Not at my gym.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I don't.....I've heard the recovery time for overseas fighters, both from wear and tear and from serious injuries, is markedly faster......hmmmm, wonder what that's about. It's funny, people still associate the mass monsters with the extreme roid use....so of course coleman, randleman and such get called out......but in the fight game they're not using roids to build mass.....they just use them differently then bodybuilders.

I'm around a lot of fighters, both professional(UFC) AND amateur.

some things you should know:

-Recovery time is the SAME for guys overseas than in the USA or any other place. These guys don't recover fast, they just fight hurt. ALL OF THEM FIGHT WHILE HURTING. They may SAY they are 100% after just being injured at the last event, but thats a bold face lie. They walk into the ring hurting every time.

-Yes, SOME of these guys DO bounce back from injuries quite fast. Steroids in NOT the reason why.
Most of these guys have trained seasoned trainers and therapists that help them with recovery. Exercise, massages, hot pads, equipment, liminet, balms, creams, voodoo, santeria, sacrifices to the dark lord... Anything and everything to get the fighter back in the ring... Sure a little Deca could help, but steroids will not heal an injury (period) any faster than a good massage and therapy exercise program.

1-Genetics. The majority guys that make it to the top level have amazing genetics for recovery. The darwing principle. Those that couldn't take the punishment, retire, quit or just don't fight as often. Those that have fast healing times, get to fight more often, gain experience and make it to the top level. That is it, a bunch of genetic freaks that are almost not human and make us think they are all on juice but, they are actually just gifted.

MOST of the juicers are at the lower levels and smaller shows. They hardly ever make it into the big time.


While Steroids CAN help in recovery and some of the other things. They can not help a fighter as much as they would a sprinter or power lifter. Steroids may help you lift heavier, or maybe even shave some time of your dash. But steroids will not help you see that right hook coming over the top of your lazy jab or help you from getting triangled... The benefit is just not as great for a pro fighter...






-BRR

 

[Anthony Starks]

The majority guys that make it to the top level have amazing genetics for recovery. The darwing principle.

Yeah, that darwing guy was really smart...

 

[crew9]

While Steroids CAN help in recovery and some of the other things. They can not help a fighter as much as they would a sprinter or power lifter. Steroids may help you lift heavier, or maybe even shave some time of your dash. But steroids will not help you see that right hook coming over the top of your lazy jab or help you from getting triangled... The benefit is just not as great for a pro fighter...

-BRR

Steroids help fighters in basically the same way they help other athletes. You'll never see a bottle of steroids dodge a punch, hit a homerun, or bench press 700lbs. They do however allow you to train harder, longer, and with more frequency. Wouldn't you say it's an advantage for a person to get in 70 training/workout sessions as opposed to 50 in the same time frame?

 

[Anthony Starks]

Steroids help fighters in basically the same way they help other athletes. You'll never see a bottle of steroids dodge a punch, hit a homerun, or bench press 700lbs. They do however allow you to train harder, longer, and with more frequency. Wouldn't you say it's an advantage for a person to get in 70 training/workout sessions as opposed to 50 in the same time frame?

Absolutely, and thats why any serious athlete that thought they could get away with it is probably jucing.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Steroids help fighters in basically the same way they help other athletes. You'll never see a bottle of steroids dodge a punch, hit a homerun, or bench press 700lbs. They do however allow you to train harder, longer, and with more frequency. Wouldn't you say it's an advantage for a person to get in 70 training/workout sessions as opposed to 50 in the same time frame?

I'm not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.

My point is that the benefit to Fighters is MINIMAL, compared to other sports. If you are in a benching competition, if the guy is much stronger than you, He will beat you. If you are doing a 100 meter dash, and the guy next to you is Faster, he will beat you. If you are running a marathon, and there is a guy with much more stamina than the rest, he will win.

If steroids did in fact make you Faster, stronger and increased your stamina. In these sports, you would have a huge advantage...

In fighting however…

When you are a fighter, you go up against guys who are much Stronger than you, much Faster than you, in some instances 100lbs heavier than you. Or a guy who has more stamina than you... And you can still beat them, you can still WIN against a faster opponent by using superior tactics(Randy Couture), you can beat guys 200lbs heavier than you, if you employee with laser precise technique(Royce Gracie). Or you can just throw a lucky punch and KO a guy who has every tool possible to destroy you, (Kevin Randelman vs. CroCop #1).

The most primitive sport on earth(fighting), has so many variables, than Steroids can not affect the outcome with as much consequence as some of the more sophisticated sports where wining is measured to the 100th of a second.


PS: I don’t care what anybody tells you. You are BORN with your chin. If it is made of glass, no amount of steroids will ever keep you from going to sleep if it gets tagged right. Some people think anabolics gives them an edge because AAS makes you “aggressive”… I don’t care how mad you get in the ring, when it is lights out, it is light the fuck out… your brain is just not talking to your body anymore, I don’t care how mad a fighter gets on Halo … He can be really mad and aggressive while he lays on the canvas legs ignoring him and his eye balls dancing all around the room.

 

[Anthony Starks]

I'm not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.

Disagreeing strongly. This is the same weak arguement made five years ago why baseball players weren't juicing - no amount of juice is going to make you hit a 100mph fastball, its all genetic reflexes, etc. Bottom line is they make a good athlete better, and so everyone was/is taking them.