MMA Fighter Needs HELP

[njeast13]

I'm a newbie to this bored so please be patient with me.
I'm 26 5'8" and 188. I usually compete at around 170 however I hurt my knee a few months ago and have been working on losing the weight. As I've been training my Jiu-Jitsu again for the last two months I feel like I'm just not nearly as strong as I once was. However I never stopped lifting and doing some circuit training while I was sidelined. I am still trying to lose some weight since two of my coaches feel like I should be around 155 ( I think 163 is more realistic). I want to get stronger yet drop down so I need some help with my supplements.
I know Winny will help but else should I cycle with Clen and a anti estrogen.?
Should I use Anabol and a anti estrogen then cut?

Can someone please give some suggestions

 

[viczeva]

steroids are made to add muscle mass. not to lose weight, i, and many others will tell u that if you want to drop the weight, aas is not the way to go. just diest and exercise.
you could do some steroids to increase stenght, but u most liekely will gain some weight with them aswell.
anyways, that my .02 cents. im sure alot of bros here will have much more info for u.
vic

 

[cipherking]

as a mma fighter my self winny is not good for that. glucosamine and condrotin is what u want. eat right and the weight will come off. if anything deca is the best for what we do. joints love it

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

bro...as cipher said...winny is the worst thing in the book for us fighters...you will get injured before you even get the strength gains...deca is great for teh joints but the bloat is not worth it...npp is the way to go if you need joint protection...i have been cycling and fighting for a couple years now and this is what I have learned
GH (for our injuries and to keep us resiliant)
test ( Low does...never over 350 primarily prop to keep water off and AIFM)
Halo and Cheque drops day of the fight lots of fun
And my all time favorite...nothing makes you train train train than having more blood then your opponent.....EPO

 

[cipherking]

i never tried npp or cheque drops. will have to give it ago. i guess GH is being used more then i thought. could be why im getting my ass kicked by these little guys. lol

 

[EtchedfromMarble]

Why the low doses of test cauli? What's wrong with higher dosages, such as 500 mg test Enth EW or 150 mg prop EOD??

 

[cipherking]

i would think its because of too much weight gain from that high of a dose. since what we do has weight classes it wouldnt be to our benifit. i know with 500mg of test e ill put on 15 to 20 lbs easy and thats with proviron/AI

 

[boost_addict]

Im also in MMA and ive still yet to get a fight, always due to injuries.
Similar size to you, 5'9, walk around at 200-205 and cut to 185, to drop the weight, its all diet and cardio like posted above, I ran clen to shed some pounds a few weeks before a scheduled fight, dropped 9lbs, felt weak and while training lightly I ended up fracturing my hand while hitting thai pads hand wraps werent right and lack of focus imo. It sucks to be out of the mix, everything is haulted and everything you worked so hard for feels lost. Now I train my ass off in the gym and dont overdo my classes at night and feel amazing and much stronger/less prone to injuries. Slowly lose the weight, you wont feel the strength loss as much... unless your fight is soon lol Good luck bro

 

[truckdaddy]

I train MMA as well, the guys that fight at 55 are normaly pretty small cats, i would stay at 170 rather than go down. Try cissus, it works wonder for me.

 

[EtchedfromMarble]

i would think its because of too much weight gain from that high of a dose. since what we do has weight classes it wouldnt be to our benifit. i know with 500mg of test e ill put on 15 to 20 lbs easy and thats with proviron/AI

But wouldn't a test dosage that's too low simply be replacing your own natural test and nothing more?

Then wouldn't a better alternative, if you want strength and recovery gains, without mass gains, be something like anavar only? Or a higher test dosages with a caloric deficit?

 

[black panther]

u need low dose of test to help keep ur body normalised somewhat as aas dont replace evrything testosterone does in the body. so 250mg a week would be fine with whatever else u use to keep depression, limp dick, etc away

 

[calyptus]

250mg test prop ew
250mg mast prop ew
185mg tren ace ew
4 weeks

2 weeks nolva 20mg

wait 6 weeks

restart

injections ed or eod

you can add 25mg t3 ed to keep the prolactine problems that tren might cause away.

That'll give you a nice boost. You have to "feel" the tren dose, a bit too much means you'll gas out too soon. I've gone to 200mg ace before I started feeling that. I'm at 110kg so it might hit you sooner.

You'll gain a nice amount of strength, endurance, lose bf but keep/gain mass, and look cut as hell.

 

[rfowler]

I'm a newbie to this bored so please be patient with me.
I'm 26 5'8" and 188. I usually compete at around 170 however I hurt my knee a few months ago and have been working on losing the weight. As I've been training my Jiu-Jitsu again for the last two months I feel like I'm just not nearly as strong as I once was. However I never stopped lifting and doing some circuit training while I was sidelined. I am still trying to lose some weight since two of my coaches feel like I should be around 155 ( I think 163 is more realistic). I want to get stronger yet drop down so I need some help with my supplements.
I know Winny will help but else should I cycle with Clen and a anti estrogen.?
Should I use Anabol and a anti estrogen then cut?

Can someone please give some suggestions

eq is a fighters friend, add some test, throw in low dose hgh and your world begins to change my friend.

 

[truckdaddy]

eq is a fighters friend, add some test, throw in low dose hgh and your world begins to change my friend.

true, nut it wont help him get to 55.

 

[cipherking]

250mg test prop ew
250mg mast prop ew
185mg tren ace ew
4 weeks

2 weeks nolva 20mg

wait 6 weeks

restart

injections ed or eod

you can add 25mg t3 ed to keep the prolactine problems that tren might cause away.

That'll give you a nice boost. You have to "feel" the tren dose, a bit too much means you'll gas out too soon. I've gone to 200mg ace before I started feeling that. I'm at 110kg so it might hit you sooner.

You'll gain a nice amount of strength, endurance, lose bf but keep/gain mass, and look cut as hell.

bro how could u fight while using tren? i heard that stuff takes your wind away like the north pole. but u are right tren will make u look great.

 

[calyptus]

bro how could u fight while using tren? i heard that stuff takes your wind away like the north pole. but u are right tren will make u look great.

It's very dose dependant.

 

[cipherking]

It's very dose dependant.

what dose would u sugest. and what dose of test would u run with that

 

[instant.muscle]

if ur a mma fighter tren is the way 2 go

 

[detroitfire]

bro...as cipher said...Winstrol - stanozolol is the worst thing in the book for us fighters...you will get injured before you even get the strength gains...Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - is great for teh joints but the bloat is not worth it...NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - is the way to go if you need joint protection...i have been cycling and fighting for a couple years now and this is what I have learned
gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - (for our injuries and to keep us resiliant)
test ( Low does...never over 350 primarily testosterone propionate to keep water off and AIFM)
Halotestin - fluoxymesterone - and Cheque drops day of the fight lots of fun
And my all time favorite...nothing makes you train train train than having more blood then your opponent.....EPO

have not read all of the posts yet but the epo is a good idea also check out some EQ for the increased red blood cell count to help keep your body oxygenated and keep your cells working to the max... winstrol bad on joints never taken it but if it hurts bodybuilders then I know it must tear up us bjj guys stick with the glucosamine chondrotin and buy some salmon oil or fish oil tabs and down five+ grams a day if you can't stomach eating fatty fish... my 2 cents ... DETROITFIRE

 

[truckdaddy]

can someone tell me about EPO

 

[^Stefan^]

Short answer, if your looking to become a professional in MMA, quit the roids. They do test.

Now if your looking to stay low, like in KOTC, Ring of Fire etc ... then might I recommend testosterone propionate. It doesn't last long and is something to think about before a fight.

I wouldn't stack anything either.

Coming from a MMA background myself my 2 cents is simple, from all the fighters I've trained with.. none of them do roids and would never condone it if your into MMA. We even had GSP at Jacksons for a while. He would tell you the same.

 

[truckdaddy]

Short answer, if your looking to become a professional in MMA, quit the steroids. They do test.

Now if your looking to stay low, like in KOTC, Ring of Fire etc ... then might I recommend testosterone propionate. It doesn't last long and is something to think about before a fight.

I wouldn't stack anything either.

Coming from a MMA background myself my 2 cents is simple, from all the fighters I've trained with.. none of them do steroids and would never condone it if your into MMA. We even had GSP at Jacksons for a while. He would tell you the same.

not true......most if not all "top level" MMA guys use steriods. I train with guys that fight on all levels, local shows, wec, ufc......The bigger guys prob more than the smaller guys. Im would bet GSP has had the needle as well....many use HGH for muscle recovery. Its hard to train at that level and not have some help.

 

[jiggawho32]

Bump that Truck. A few months ago MMA weekly had said that at least 20% are on while competing. Just look at the guuys that have gotten caught lately....Stephan Bonner, Kit Cope, Joe Stevenson was possibly doing GH ...which they cant test for.

 

[^Stefan^]

I guess I'm referring to steroids such as DECA, Anadrol etc ...

And yes they DO test. I know for a fact in PRIDE they do not, but in UFC they do. UFC doesn't test directly per se, the NSAC which oversees all testing in Boxing does as well in UFC. Anything they test for in Boxing they test for in UFC. In fact Deigo got busted for Marjiuana at one time after fighting Joe Riggs. Which is hilarious to me.

I've trained with Deigo, GSP, and many others as well at lower levels such as in KOTC. And believe me many of them do not condone steriod use especially when they've fought people on steroids.

And to Truckdaddy, no GSP does not use steriods. You can come down to Jackons when he's back in town and ask him yourself. You would be surprised how many fighters don't use steriods. I have seen many fighters on steroids get their asses handed to them by guys who live, breath and train in MMA. Many people get the impression that if you dope up your chances of winning a fight increase dramatically. Simply put, when your up against a professional, dope or not, if you're not conditioned to fight and go 3 five minute rounds (in which many people on steroids can not) then you will lose.

Again I'm not knocking anyone who is in MMA on steroids. I'm simply saying by years of experience, testing does happen and fighting on steroids against a pro isn't wise.

 

[^Stefan^]

Here are the Rules for UFC. Notice the last one.

Ultimate Fighting Championship

- Allows elbow strikes except downward elbow strikes with the point of the elbow.
- Prohibits spiking a fighter onto his head during takedown or slam.
- Prohibits stomps, soccer kicks and knees to the head of a grounded opponent (more than feet touching ground). A fighter on the ground can kick upwards at their opponent's head only if their opponent is standing.
- Prohibits shoes, shirts and pants.
- Uses three 5-minute rounds. Championship bouts are five 5-minute rounds.
- No longer uses a tournament format.
- Has five weight classes: Heavyweight (<265 lbs), Light Heavyweight (<205 lbs), Middleweight (<185 lbs), and Welterweight (<170 lbs) a Lightweight (<155 lbs) class.
- Tests fighters for steroids and other illegal substances in championship bouts.