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EricG

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Hey hows it going guys,

Well im 6 weeks in to my cycle

Test E 500
Tren A 50mg dailly

Im currently bulking up and its going great, I've added about 12 lbs of lean mass, droped around 2-3 lbs of fat.(only been on tren for 2 weeks)

Now, im doing 4500 cals high protein, high carb, low fat.

My BF is a little high, 14-16%.

I want to trim down a bit for summer so was thinking of starting an Anabolic diet, similar to a keto. My goal would be to drop 4% BF and add maybe another 5-8 lbs of muscle. I would have he cals at 3500-4000.

What do you guys think, should I switch my diet or just suck it up and keep lean bulking t'ill next year and then cut next summer?

-Eric
 
you can cut or bulk on any steroid...it's just that certain ones help you burn fat easier than others...especially TREN!!! so if you want to lean down, just clean up your diet alot and make sure you stick to it and you will throw on some good lean muscle and burn some fat...also, if you can get your hands on Var or Winny, that will help alot if you take 50-100mg ED for the last 6 weeks!!! how long is this cycle for?
 
its your call. Depends on if you wana focus on bulking or would rather cut. AS long as you eat clean and do daily cardio you should cut fat gradually. Id do just that.
 
My diet is super clean, i only cheat every 3 weeks.

Im about 205 lbs right, my goal for 3-4 years would be 230 @ 8-10%

So I dont know if I should just keep lean bulking, because I am loosing a bit of fat right now and gaining alot of muscle.

The cycle will be for 14 weeks, the tren for another 6-7 weeks.

Just seems alot of guys are gaining alot of muscle and losing quite a bit of fat combining tren with keto style diets, hence my inquiry.

Plus just wondering if anyone tried bulking on anabolic diet/ kind of keto style. 5 days no carbs with 2 day carb up.

If i keep my cals at 4000, i should be able to shed some fat and gain some good quality mass?

-Eric
 
EricG said:
My diet is super clean, i only cheat every 3 weeks.

Im about 205 lbs right, my goal for 3-4 years would be 230 @ 8%

So I dont know if I should just keep lean bulking, because I am loosing a bit of fat right now and gaining alot of muscle.

The cycle will be for 14 weeks, the tren for another 6-7 weeks.

Just seems alot of guys are gaining alot of muscle and losing quite a bit of fat combining tren with keto style diets, hence my inquiry.

-Eric
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well here's the deal...people who throw on tons of weight/muscle very quickly will lose that gained weight/muscle if they are not familiar with AAS and how to maintain what's been gained from it...you are doing it the right way as far as going for a goal and giving yourself a few years to hit it...realistically, gear users should strive to KEEP 8-12lbs. of muscle from a good cycle although they will throw on 20-40lbs. of weight...keep in mind, the slower it goes on or comes off, the easier it is to maintain it...if you were to throw in some extra cardio, you can eat the way you are and still lean bulk and burn that little extra fat...me personally, i've never done a keto diet, i just eat chicken chicken and more chicken with some steak and lean fat burgers thrown in the mix...and keep the tren to a max. of 8 weeks
 
Ok, sounds good man. Yeah, I'm problably just jumping ahead of myself. I'll problably end up sticking to my diet, and analyze what happened after my cycle.

Thanks for the advice,

-Eric
 
EricG said:
Ok, sounds good man. Yeah, I'm problably just jumping ahead of myself. I'll problably end up sticking to my diet, and analyze what happened after my cycle.

Thanks for the advice,

-Eric
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no problem bro...just remember, alot of people start 2nd guessing themselves because of what other people are doing/gaining...everyone is different so the best thing is to stick out what you're doing (adding cardio isn't a big deal) and analyze what worked or didn't work...then note it down for next time and eventually you'll get what works for YOU down to a science...i've been on and off gear for almost 7 years and in the gym for almost 12 and with a lot of experimentation, i'm getting down to the nitty gritty of what works for ME and what doesn't...
 
splperformance said:
no problem bro...just remember, alot of people start 2nd guessing themselves because of what other people are doing/gaining...everyone is different so the best thing is to stick out what you're doing (adding cardio isn't a big deal) and analyze what worked or didn't work...then note it down for next time and eventually you'll get what works for YOU down to a science...i've been on and off gear for almost 7 years and in the gym for almost 12 and with a lot of experimentation, i'm getting down to the nitty gritty of what works for ME and what doesn't...
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Good advice from SPL.

Im on a CKD (keto) diet on tren and prop. Its workin goos - gotta keep hitting the good fats and masses of protein. I still gain 10lbs lean muscle in 6 weeks with another 4 left. The fat is also coming off at a steady rat, loads of energy as well.

You will not gain as much as a bulk of course but it will give you decent gains+cuts.

I can post a sample diet if you need
 
cobracock1979 said:
Good advice from SPL.

Im on a CKD (keto) diet on tren and prop. Its workin goos - gotta keep hitting the good fats and masses of protein. I still gain 10lbs lean muscle in 6 weeks with another 4 left. The fat is also coming off at a steady rat, loads of energy as well.

You will not gain as much as a bulk of course but it will give you decent gains+cuts.

I can post a sample diet if you need
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Yeah that would be great,

-Eric
 
Ok Bro,

Typically CKD consists of 6 days no carbs + 1 day carb loading. Im no expert biut have done a lot of research + asked questions and think I have it pretty much off. The key is high levels of good fats.

Tip 1 - buy some Ketostix from chemist - thesed will tell ya whether you are in Ketosis.

NOTE - This diet is adapted with higher proten than fat to allow lean mass to be gained.

AIM - 60%protein/ 35%fat/ 5%carbs

I would try to increase calories wherever possible to maximise muscle growth.



Day 1-6 - KETOSIS


7am - Whey protein shake + Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter + 10mg Flax caps + 5mg fish oil

9am - chicken breast

11am - 50g almonds

1am - 150g beef + tbs NPB

3 pm - salmon fillet

5 pm - 50g almonds + whey shake

TRAIN (10g Arganine)

7pm - PWO Whey protein shake + 10g BCAA + 10g Glutamine

7.30 - chicken breast + vegetable (brocolli etc)

9.30 - 6 boiled eggs (3 yokes) + 50g almonds

11am - Whey shake + Tbsp NPB + 10mg Flax caps (its good to add these oils before bed as they act as a time release for the protein while you sleep).



Day 7 - CARB UP....


-Eat high levels of carbs with Low GI (ie yams/ pasta/ noodles) for 12 hours. Cut the fats on this day as it will be stored.
-NO FRUITS/ FRUCTOSE - this will replace glygogen in the liver and stop ketosis for an extra day or so.
-Start loading after a heavy workout - the aim is to deplete the muscles af glycogen before loading.


9am - whey protein + oats

11am - chicken breast + yams

1pm - tuna + brocolli + yams

4 pm - Chicken + yams

7pm - Pasta + chicken



Etc....you get the idea. Can swap the meats + low GI carbs but a lot of pro's favour yams / sweet potatoes over anything else for loading.


Hope this helps. If anyone has any suggestions for improvements go for it
 
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EricG said:
Looks pretty sweet, do you know how much protein/cals this ads up to?

-Eric
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Dont have the cals to hand but I aim for between 2-2.5g/ lb bodyweight protein.

Be careful of the nuts as well - hidden carbs. You should be aiming for <20g carbs a day (from veg and NPB), never more than 5g carbs per meal.
 
cobracock1979 said:
Dont have the cals to hand but I aim for between 2-2.5g/ lb bodyweight protein.

Be careful of the nuts as well - hidden carbs. You should be aiming for <20g carbs a day (from veg and NPB), never more than 5g carbs per meal.
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nuts & the PB carbs add up real quick!
 
Sweet, that looks good. I train around 8 am, should I not take the oils in the morning shake before workout?

-Eric
 
GUARDIAN said:
nuts & the PB carbs add up real quick!
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Yeah they do add up,

Im probably slightly over 20g carbs a day but the ketostix still show me to be in ketosis - just a case of experimenting for the individual. Gotta try and keep cals as high as I can without falling out of ketosis.

In retrospect, I probably should have done a bulker and then got on the clen/t3 with a regular CKD (high fats/ moderate protein) afterwards for better results - lesson learned.

Eric - if you got the time I would go that route
 
well i like to plan a cycle and stick to the original plan. However im not sure if id bulk these days at 14-16% body fat, i wouldnt want to deal with hitting 18-20% then it gets real tought to jump back down to 10%
 
JNEF said:
well i like to plan a cycle and stick to the original plan. However im not sure if id bulk these days at 14-16% body fat, i wouldnt want to deal with hitting 18-20% then it gets real tought to jump back down to 10%
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So do you think I should hit the keto, do a super super lean bulk and be at 10-12% and lean bulk the rest of the year from there?

-Eric
 
halfcenturian said:
I would avoid all carbs, but steamed brocholi or spinach, and oatmeal/ brown rice. One of each everyday.
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What does your diet look like halfcenturian? If you dont mind sharing/

-Eric
 
EricG said:
lol,

what about you guardian. What do you think I should do, you clearly know your way around.

-Eric
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do just like half says. get carbs in by mid afternoon. start the day with some oatmeal. eat green leafy fiborous veggies for the remainder of the meals. watch the condiments, nuts, and PB.
 
The thing for my almonds says it has 14 grams of carbs for 1/3 of a cup, how is this possible, i thought almonds had zero carbs. And just did a quick review on the net, seems all almonds have carbs. Does this not affect the diet somehow?
-Eric
 
EricG said:
The thing for my almonds says it has 14 grams of carbs for 1/3 of a cup, how is this possible, i thought almonds had zero carbs. And just did a quick review on the net, seems all almonds have carbs. Does this not affect the diet somehow?
-Eric
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Almonds are abou 8g carbd per 100g. So eating a large handful at a time is fine, ie 30-50g.

Almonds are the nut of choice because the have a very low GI so the carbs within take longer to absorb - this is my understanding.
 
hey cobra, is it normal to feal lethargic, and extreme tiredness in the first 24 hours. Just got back from the gym and im trying not to puke lol, been about 24 hours without carbs now. kind of dragging my ass everywhere. Surprisingly my workout was good though, even went up a bit weight on some.

-Eric

EDIT - nevermind the trying not to part :( . Fuck i guess i have to go for protein shake take two now lol.
 
Hey,

Yeah its very standard to feel that - your body takes a couple of days to deplete of glycogen and switch to Ketosis. Once your in Keto energy levls are great. I have more energy now than when I was eating 400g carbs!

I am also finding stacking with an ECA fat loss stack works great - if you have time may be worth getting some Lipoflame from Omega as it seems to wotrk great.

It took me a while to semi- master this diet but the info I gave you is what I have learned, so try and stick to that and you should do good.

Last couple of days the fat seems to be falling off and physically+mentally feel really good.

Meke sure you keep good fats high - a good tip is to buy flax oil tabs in bulk (1mg). you can easily swallow 20 or so at a time without any indegestion. Put olive oil on everything you can. Consume a handful of almonds inbetween meals. Regularly monitor ketosis with ketostix. If they turn reaally dark purple you are probably dehydrated.
 
OK thanks for your help man, Ill keep you posted on how im doing.

And yeah I'd order lipoflame but they dont ship to us Canadians :(

-Eric
 
EricG said:
What does your diet look like halfcenturian? If you dont mind sharing/

-Eric
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Meat, steamed Brocholi, meat, Fresh spinach, meat, oatmeal or brown rice, meat, apples, meat, protein shakes; one pwo, one at beddy-by time, meat.
Red meat mostly, and chicken, tuna. NO bread, NO potatoes, NO simple carbs.
 
All the almonds i found was about 19 grams carbs for 50 grams, which is crazy. Are brazil nuts okay? the stats on them was 3 grams of carbs per 45 grams? almost same fat/calorie value, except the brazil nuts were a little higher

-Eric
 
EricG said:
All the almonds i found was about 19 grams carbs for 50 grams, which is crazy. Are brazil nuts okay? the stats on them was 3 grams of carbs per 45 grams? almost same fat/calorie value, except the brazil nuts were a little higher

-Eric
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y r u stuck on nuts bro? if u r trying to watch your carbs ditch them. so go with more meat.
 
Well I'm on my second day of this, and its going better now. I seem a little less vascular, but harder does that make sence?

I also droped 4-5 pounds :-( , I guessthe keto drops water? I was holding more water then I thought.

-Eric
 
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