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i want you honest opinion on what you believe the "meaning of life" is. why we are here in this situation right now. why we go from being nothing and unconscious to being conscious and back to unconscious again. the ultimate question.... why?

i'm going to take a scientific approach and say it's all answered in one word.
reproduction. humans are made to reproduce and reproduce solely. it is why we have no control over this (try going three years without sex or doing it yourself). if you disagree argue your point.
 
humans aren't "made" to reproduce; it's just that a strong urge to reproduce is selected for by evolution and is what allows them to continue to exist as a species
 
i personally believe that life happened by chance, and the only meaning your life has is what you assign to it
 
but if it's "Gods way" wouldn't everything be predestined if he is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-good. we wouldn't have freewill. every decision from the second your born to when your not here would be already known by him and selected. you could argue the meaning of life is other things. but scientifically to reproduce is the best answer if you look at the facts.
 
iggy said:
but if it's "Gods way" wouldn't everything be predestined if he is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-good. we wouldn't have freewill. every decision from the second your born to when your not here would be already known by him and selected. you could argue the meaning of life is other things. but scientifically to reproduce is the best answer if you look at the facts.
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so if you're sterile, life has no meaning?
 
iggy said:
i want you honest opinion on what you believe the "meaning of life" is. why we are here in this situation right now. why we go from being nothing and unconscious to being conscious and back to unconscious again. the ultimate question.... why?

i'm going to take a scientific approach and say it's all answered in one word.
reproduction. humans are made to reproduce and reproduce solely. it is why we have no control over this (try going three years without sex or doing it yourself). if you disagree argue your point.
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The Meaning of Life is .... Happiness.

Have a good day everyone!

r
 
There is no meaning.
That isn't a bad thing.
Our big dumb brains need to give everything meaning, which is totally unnecessary.
We all need to get over ourselves.
Enjoy it and let it go.
 
iggy said:
i want you honest opinion on what you believe the "meaning of life" is. why we are here in this situation right now. why we go from being nothing and unconscious to being conscious and back to unconscious again. the ultimate question.... why?

i'm going to take a scientific approach and say it's all answered in one word.
reproduction. humans are made to reproduce and reproduce solely. it is why we have no control over this (try going three years without sex or doing it yourself). if you disagree argue your point.
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LOL
Iggy... this is too easy....
Nigga pleez.

Oh I just got back from an awkward weekend of well un requitted romance.
Hower it was mutually un requitted... sparks weren't there ya know.
I'm not gonna field this one...
Y'all expect me too...
Pass though.

maybe lata...
Iggs bro...
I'll hit ya with this... You want Scientific... you are talking function as in doing bro. Doing aint Meaning. I take a shit. It has no meaning.
Meaning is About Connection. Why do we Self Express, bro, to get Meaning.
Why do CONNECTION-COMMUNITY-SELF SACRIFICE...
I"m not talking Muscle Mom Kabbalistic Wisdom here either.

Darwinistic Function ain't meaning bro... that's just a description of physical survival. Big Difference. Lots people survive without meaning... we call them losers.
 
Stefka said:
There is no meaning.
That isn't a bad thing.
Our big dumb brains need to give everything meaning, which is totally unnecessary.
We all need to get over ourselves.
Enjoy it and let it go.
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so your saying we as humans overanalyze everything?
 
i see. my friend smokes weed all the time and he has the SAME, exact philosophy as you. lol
coincidence? or not
 
Stefka said:
There is no meaning.
That isn't a bad thing.
Our big dumb brains need to give everything meaning, which is totally unnecessary.
We all need to get over ourselves.
Enjoy it and let it go.
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To say there is no meaning has meaning.
Letting go is meaning.
Does your relationship with Samoth have Meaning?
Does your intrinsic ambition to achieve the recognition which you deserve have meaning?
Yes, Yes, Yes.

No meaning is not a sentence. It is being rootless. It is sensation bound living without depth.
This is no meaning.
Also meaning has degrees.
The profound depth that could attained once, is not conducive to our culture, however a new sort of depth is kind of emerging within the context of our time.
Some will Arise, Most Will Not..
 
meaning is diff for everyone thats the point...

I say believe whatever makes u happy and content with your life and treat ppl well and u will have a good life.
 
-Ariel- said:
To say there is no meaning has meaning.
Letting go is meaning.
Does your relationship with Samoth have Meaning?
Does your intrinsic ambition to achieve the recognition which you deserve have meaning?
Yes, Yes, Yes.
No meaning is not a sentence. It is being rootless. It is sensation bound living without depth.
This is no meaning.
Also meaning has degrees.
The profound depth that could attained once, is not conducive to our culture, however a new sort of depth is kind of emerging within the context of our time.
Some will Arise, Most Will Not..
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No, No, No.
Of course my relationship with Samoth has meaning. For me here, and for me now. I love Samoth, but that is for here and now. Later, maybe in 10 years, maybe in 50, we wont mean a thing.

Ariel, I deserve nothing.
I deserve no recognition.
I am here to live a life that makes me feel that it was worthy of living.

Ariel, things are not as complicated as our complicated minds are wont to believe.

Clear your own mind. Take a deep breath. Forget about your obligations. Just think about you. For one moment. I doubt you can. Thinking about you and only you is not self absorbed. It is the first step.

Ariel, I like you. But you are a lost soul hiding behind the words of those whom you consider to be great.
Stop that!
Get your own life, because you wont have this world for much longer.
 
the wont have this world for much longer is deep stef.
it's sad too. reminds me of everytime i leave great friends or family.
always with a hug, because you never know if there will be a tomorrow.
 
iggy said:
i want you honest opinion on what you believe the "meaning of life" is. why we are here in this situation right now. why we go from being nothing and unconscious to being conscious and back to unconscious again. the ultimate question.... why?

i'm going to take a scientific approach and say it's all answered in one word.
reproduction. humans are made to reproduce and reproduce solely. it is why we have no control over this (try going three years without sex or doing it yourself). if you disagree argue your point.
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I will take a different stance altogether.

May I ask what difference it makes? I mean, how are YOU affected by MY VIEWPOINT on what the meaning of life is? I mean, unless I am hitler and you are unlucky enough to be a jew or anyone else that doesn't see the meaning of life from a similar point of view...

Why do you care why "WE" are here?

Wouldn't it be a more productive expenditure of YOUR time and energy to think of why YOU are here?
 
it's always striked me and being interesting.
you find out more about a person by this view then a ton of other things.
it expresses a lot about your personality.
socrates went all around the world asking kings and famous people the same thing.
sure i will not gain anything from it.

just thought it would be interesting.
and some post might change my view or yours.
 
iggy said:
the wont have this world for much longer is deep stef.
it's sad too. reminds me of everytime i leave great friends or family.
always with a hug, because you never know if there will be a tomorrow.
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It isn't sad, Iggy. It's just part of life. Enjoy the good times, try and learn from and/or forget the bad times and live your life. Our mortality is not something to lament. Think about how much harder you work when you have to meet a deadline.
 
i'm with puddles on this.
i say (as this is probably not the truth, no one knows the truth)
if we are to die and nothing is in the afterlife, it is but a glimpse we spent in our life's yet eternity asleep remembering nothing.
there must be a point to it all.
 
Taken to the most visceral level, from what I have learned on my particular spiritual path, you could essentially say you are here to "experience" and "feel." Eat, drink, have incredibly mind blowing sex, fall in passionate love, feel enough hate to make you want to kill, laugh until you cry, roll in the mud, scream, eat a 1/2 gallon of ice cream without a spoon, get drunk and throw up, go skinny dipping, watch a movie that makes you cry, read a joke that makes you laugh, scare yourself silly, walk barefoot in the snow, etc., etc., etc., etc.

That's why we're here. You can't do any of that shit in the spiritual realm. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.

Be creative, be joyful, experience and learn, that is the purpose.

The meaning ... well, let's just say that you and GOD will achieve enlightenment at the same time :qt:
 
iggy said:
i'm with puddles on this.
i say (as this is probably not the truth, no one knows the truth)
if we are to die and nothing is in the afterlife, it is but a glimpse we spent in our life's yet eternity asleep remembering nothing.
there must be a point to it all.
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This one is on the house.... A ton of people know the truth... Lol. From all different philosophic backgrounds... the point is to grow and to get past the self and to live in love.... Hardest thing, and biggest duty.. u think I would hoist this up on mere belief.... Lol.
Nigga pleez.
 
Am I a simpler being because I honestly don't care about what happens after I die? .... that my primary focus for existing is to use my time to have a positive (and who knows? maybe profound) effect on most every/anyone I encounter or who encounters me in the here and now but also long after I've departed this planet. <--- this thought makes me VERY happy and I am selfish like that, in that I prefer to be HAPPY.

:whatever:

Simple... shmimple

I got over "complicated" when life smacked me on my ass a time or twelve. I found that regardless of how hard you fight, how much you cover your bases life will STILL find a way to screw you. So I don't take it personally anymore - EVERYONE gets screwed/tested by life in their own way. It's all about perception.

So I have just learned that after you regain consciousness from the latest "life bitchslap" the goal is to keep spinning it until you find the silver lining and then you go with THAT...



So I am simple. Sue me. :)
 
I agree bikinimom, your plight to help man with your influence and judicious use of power... Mine is 2 assist.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
Am I a simpler being because I honestly don't care about what happens after I die? .... that my primary focus for existing is to use my time to have a positive (and who knows? maybe profound) effect on most every/anyone I encounter or who encounters me in the here and now but also long after I've departed this planet. <--- this thought makes me VERY happy and I am selfish like that, in that I prefer to be HAPPY.

:whatever:

Simple... shmimple

I got over "complicated" when life smacked me on my ass a time or twelve. I found that regardless of how hard you fight, how much you cover your bases life will STILL find a way to screw you. So I don't take it personally anymore - EVERYONE gets screwed/tested by life in their own way. It's all about perception.

So I have just learned that after you regain consciousness from the latest "life bitchslap" the goal is to keep spinning it until you find the silver lining and then you go with THAT...



So I am simple. Sue me. :)
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"Tis a gift to be simple, tis a gift to be free." :)
 
BlueBird said:
"Tis a gift to be simple, tis a gift to be free." :)
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If ignorance is truly bliss then Bluebird, if I were any happier there would have to be TWO of me. :biggrin:

The older I get, the more complicated my life gets, the simpler I become.

I think that's why we tend to mellow with age and perhaps a reason why people generally fear death less the longer they have lived.

I still fear death because there is so much stuff I want to do. Once I feel closer to having accomplished certain goals then I believe I will fear death less. And I don't *fear* it in that I *fear* punishment or hell or any of that sort of nonsense. I just don't want to leave this planet before I've fulfilled my responsibilities.
 
Hey Bluebird, I just got word from the selection committee on the algonquin roundtable... They declined me, said I wreck of pretensions, and my ego smells like hawt garbage, the wanted to go with smarts, humility, and common sense.... They chose U instead...
Love the BlueBird... 3rd wheelage style.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
If ignorance is truly bliss then Bluebird, if I were any happier there would have to be TWO of me. :biggrin:

The older I get, the more complicated my life gets, the simpler I become.

I think that's why we tend to mellow with age and perhaps a reason why people generally fear death less the longer they have lived.

I still fear death because there is so much stuff I want to do. Once I feel closer to having accomplished certain goals then I believe I will fear death less. And I don't *fear* it in that I *fear* punishment or hell or any of that sort of nonsense. I just don't want to leave this planet before I've fulfilled my responsibilities.
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I totally agree with you. I also fear that I won't be able to accomplish what I want to in this lifetime, but I think you've also discovered (as have I) that simplicity is certainly one of the key methods in bringing certain things/goals to fruition. When I was in art college I thought the more convoluted and complicated a project was, the more enlightened I would appear...taint so.:artist:
 
-Ariel- said:
Hey Bluebird, I just got word from the selection committee on the algonquin roundtable... They declined me, said I wreck of pretensions, and my ego smells like hast garbage, the wanted to go with smarts, humility, and common sense.... They chose U instead...
Love the BlueBird... 3rd wheelage style.
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Will the award ceremony have cheesecake?
 
to learn and to serve.........we're all one. Lose that and you lose yourself, as most of us have. We always were and will always be, this ride doesn't stop....it just "transitions".....:)







iggy said:
i want you honest opinion on what you believe the "meaning of life" is. why we are here in this situation right now. why we go from being nothing and unconscious to being conscious and back to unconscious again. the ultimate question.... why?

i'm going to take a scientific approach and say it's all answered in one word.
reproduction. humans are made to reproduce and reproduce solely. it is why we have no control over this (try going three years without sex or doing it yourself). if you disagree argue your point.
Click to expand...
 
-Ariel- said:
I agree bikinimom, your plight to help man with your influence and judicious use of power... Mine is 2 assist.
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You know this will sound nutty but your statement makes me cry, good tears mixed with a few bitter ones.

I spent most of my life wanting to die because I was told by those who were supposed to love me most that I was evil, had a dark soul and that once a man was done with using me for sex that they would cast me aside like an old, worn shoe. It took me nearly 36 years to figure out that I am a good person, but one with flaws... like so many others. Then I came to the conclusion that my sole purpose on this planet was to make people smile. Thanks to some hard work and introspection on my part fascilitated by being stripped of EVERYTHING from my children to assets to health to my good name and job I was forced to see myself and my place in the world from a very different perspective... so I began to invite positive influences into my life and gained strength from them. And now I realize and accept "my plight" as you've called it and am EXCITED by what lies ahead.

I have A LOT to accomplish and so little time.

I hope sincerely that somehow, some way I will be able to impart what I have learned to my children as they will sorely need this guidance.
 
This woman walks with me in the fire!!!:chomp:


But it may not necessarily be true that we can't do "some" of those things when we leave here. We bring those experiences with us, no? There are some things that are done here that will absolutely not follow us, but some will.

I'm really hoping the sex is still good whereever we go........:cool:




musclemom said:
Taken to the most visceral level, from what I have learned on my particular spiritual path, you could essentially say you are here to "experience" and "feel." Eat, drink, have incredibly mind blowing sex, fall in passionate love, feel enough hate to make you want to kill, laugh until you cry, roll in the mud, scream, eat a 1/2 gallon of ice cream without a spoon, get drunk and throw up, go skinny dipping, watch a movie that makes you cry, read a joke that makes you laugh, scare yourself silly, walk barefoot in the snow, etc., etc., etc., etc.

That's why we're here. You can't do any of that shit in the spiritual realm. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.

Be creative, be joyful, experience and learn, that is the purpose.

The meaning ... well, let's just say that you and GOD will achieve enlightenment at the same time :qt:
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BIKINIMOM said:
You know this will sound nutty but your statement makes me cry, good tears mixed with a few bitter ones.

I spent most of my life wanting to die because I was told by those who were supposed to love me most that I was evil, had a dark soul and that once a man was done with using me for sex that they would cast me aside like an old, worn shoe. It took me nearly 36 years to figure out that I am a good person, but one with flaws... like so many others. Then I came to the conclusion that my sole purpose on this planet was to make people smile. Thanks to some hard work and introspection on my part fascilitated by being stripped of EVERYTHING from my children to assets to health to my good name and job I was forced to see myself and my place in the world from a very different perspective... so I began to invite positive influences into my life and gained strength from them. And now I realize and accept "my plight" as you've called it and am EXCITED by what lies ahead.

I have A LOT to accomplish and so little time.

I hope sincerely that somehow, some way I will be able to impart what I have learned to my children as they will sorely need this guidance.
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I would've died early... No joke. However I do not have the will U Gawt... Working on it... This is no joke, it is your duty to provide support through wisdom and otherwise those you have influence over.

Right now I keep encountering the same pattern over and over... Seeing a depth emerge from women slightly older, but much wiser than me... 5 women I keep in contact with each a unique identitiy, similar story... Gawt another article 2 send ya. Soon.
 
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-Ariel- said:
...it is your duty to provide support through wisdom and otherwise those you have influence over.
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You know this is something that my husband has been telling me from the first time he met me and I laughed in his face, told him that he didn't NEED to stroke me like that by blowing air up my skirt.

The past 2 1/2 years have taught me that he wasn't blowing air at all.... He was telling the truth.

The above quoted part of your statement is scary, to KNOW that you have that kind of power/influence over a large percentage of the population.... I feel sorta like Moses. In the old bible stories he is first frightened, then he protests, then he refuses and finally he accepts his *plight*.

I feel honored to have been given this task by life and the fear of letting everyone down is what keeps me working hard to *do it right* but the knowledge that I will learn from my mistakes keeps me from becoming paralyzed by that fear. The only person that never makes any mistakes is the person who never did anything.

Thanks again, Ariel.
 
iggy said:
but if it's "Gods way" wouldn't everything be predestined if he is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-good. we wouldn't have freewill. every decision from the second your born to when your not here would be already known by him and selected. you could argue the meaning of life is other things. but scientifically to reproduce is the best answer if you look at the facts.
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meaning of life is to reproduce...why? so that the next generation can reproduce?

i dunno about that.

quit smoking weed.

there is no meaning to life, it just exists
 
iggy said:
lol subz bro. i don't smoke weed.
i believe our main purpose is to keep society going.
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i think you should try thinking about subz's comment a little harder. what is the purpose of keeping society going if the only purpose of society is to keep itself going?
 
nimbus said:
i think you should try thinking about subz's comment a little harder. what is the purpose of keeping society going if the only purpose of society is to keep itself going?
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Conditional Reality is just that conditional.
Subz has a point that appearance does just that to appear.
However Life is not about the Point.

To ask for meaning is predicated on looking for an answer, however that is outcome based thinking..

My point is the meaning is in the shaping, it is in the doing, in the loving, laughing, in the suffering, and in the living with other and getting past sensations...
Its in knowing that we are all connected... not on a theoretical level, but on a feeling based level.

Does music have a point. See that is where you guys are putting meaning...
on substance on thingness...
If you want the answer for an outcome based thinking... then it is for one and all to avoid suffering.
It is compassion.
In the linear sense, SubZero is correct appearance just does that appears.
However, this is not what you are after Iggs...
We all want meaning. Trust me. The absence of meaning is not something that can be summed up in a question answer format.

It's worhlessness... to have wasted your complete life for nothing and in separation. Its being disconnected and completely numb and sadistic and cruel...
Alotathatgoingontoday.
 
-Ariel- said:
Conditional Reality is just that conditional.
Subz has a point that appearance does just that to appear.
However Life is not about the Point.

To ask for meaning is predicated on looking for an answer, however that is outcome based thinking..

My point is the meaning is in the shaping, it is in the doing, in the loving, laughing, in the suffering, and in the living with other and getting past sensations...
Its in knowing that we are all connected... not on a theoretical level, but on a feeling based level.

Does music have a point. See that is where you guys are putting meaning...
on substance on thingness...
If you want the answer for an outcome based thinking... then it is for one and all to avoid suffering.
It is compassion.
In the linear sense, SubZero is correct appearance just does that appears.
However, this is not what you are after Iggs...
We all want meaning. Trust me. The absence of meaning is not something that can be summed up in a question answer format.

It's worhlessness... to have wasted your complete life for nothing and in separation. Its being disconnected and completely numb and sadistic and cruel...
Alotathatgoingontoday.
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all that loving and laughing and living and feeling are just our senses at work. we think they are great because it is the highlights of our experiences. those highlights are the chemicals telling our brain to feel good/different.

heroine isnt amazing untill you experience it
 
Exactly, there are 9 experiments that show that mind and brain are two different things... NDE's brain was in complete hypothermia, yet consciousness arose.

Brain chemistry correlates to mind... however there is no proof that it causes mind.
If you want proof take Richard Alpert's surprise, famous Psychiatrist from Stanford University head professor of Abnormal Psych when he had the Mahashi, an avatar who was Evolved and beyond that...
the Maharashi laughed and said 'So you think pills are the way, huh'
He dropped 50 tabs of acid in one setting and did not effect him in the slightest bit.
Brain Chemistry and Mind Correlate with one another and on the Physical plane, depending on how developed you are, Cause sensation.

However, sensation and emotion are two different things.
I"m talking true emotional Capacity. To really Love someone, no pill for that...
There is GHB or Viagra, but again sensation based and conditional.

It is not possible to take one tool built for one order of experience and then use it to examine another order of experience. Any pills to write music, I mean deep shit?
You cannot expect to get a philosophical/Existential answer from a scientific viewpoint they are 2 total different orders of experience.
Science examines the physical realm, however in the end even the word physical/mental internal/external are labels just based on the senses, which we only have 5. So yeah... it's not like I have direct experience on the Subtle Level.
However there are those who do, and not to be trifled with.

Studies now show that the brain and how we thought it worked is not even based on local isolated mechanisms of separate neuron's firing, but waves of energy working all over and through the brain... not so much one causing the other, but each like an intrument in an orchestra... again another hint that synchrony and again not causation appear to be how LEVELS or in this case different viewpoints that are so far apart, operate between each other.

It is unfair to use reductionist arguments based on neurobiology, and say well that's all we are.
I'm not evolved, and somewhat stupid really, but I have met those who are higher than me, and had a few glimpes and my own pattern recognition lets me know that my old reductionist sort of thinking... hell I was gonna go to grad school for neurochemistry and study postsynaptic dopamine mechanisms and it's relation to emotion, are not really the TRUTH.



I agree with you Subz that sensation is a big part of reality, however my statement is not really conducive with yours.

I agree that appearance does just what it does appears...
Moreover, you got some great points and I see where you are coming from,
take no offense from this statement and have a traquil Friday Bro.

Oh and good luck on finals.:)
 
so what are your views on the minds relationship to the body ariel. do you believe they are two seperate things? how do you think they correspond.
 
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