Max Baucus (D) Says He Fears Obamacare Is Headed For 'Huge Train Wreck'

[Mr. dB]

Of course it's pertinent. I'm tired of all these lukewarm liberals whining over health care being a right. What gives them the ability to decide health care is a right, but employment, shelter, a college education (including masters and Ph.D.s), food and even entertainment aren't rights?

Who decided that national defense, police, fire departments, and roads and bridges are rights?

 

[mrplunkey]

Who decided that national defense, police, fire departments, and roads and bridges are rights?

National defense is outlined in the constitution.

Roads and bridges aren't rights.

 

[gjohnson5]

National defense is outlined in the constitution.

Roads and bridges aren't rights.

It's funny these right winged Constitutional Scholars talk about rights without even knowing the Constitution. How do yo think postal mail was delivered to people without roads?

The actual quote in Article I section 8 says

"To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;"

Because mail was delivered by horse drawn carriage back then. So roads were necessary to deliver mail to people. So yes it is in the Constitution that the federal government provide road contruction

 

[mrplunkey]

It's funny these right winged Constitutional Scholars talk about rights without even knowing the Constitution. How do yo think postal mail was delivered to people without roads?

The actual quote in Article I section 8 says

"To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;"

Because mail was delivered by horse drawn carriage back then. So roads were necessary to deliver mail to people. So yes it is in the Constitution that the federal government provide road contruction

I want to make sure I've got this correct, because it may be the most ridiculous post I've seen on EF in a very long time.

Are you trying to say that the federal government's ability to establish post offices and roads gives it the wholesale right to completely take over highways and bridges?

 

[zeosim]

Lol gets me everytime with americans, let's complain about healthcare when the military budget is absolutely retarded

 

[zeosim]

What was it 711 billion dollars haha ok go on complaining about taking care of your own people

 

[gjohnson5]

I want to make sure I've got this correct, because it may be the most ridiculous post I've seen on EF in a very long time.

Are you trying to say that the federal government's ability to establish post offices and roads gives it the wholesale right to completely take over highways and bridges?

No ,your post is the silliest thing I've read in a long time
Clearly federal funding for roads was listed in the Constituion at the time of signing. That has nothing to do with Police or Feds blocking off roads. However police blocking off roads seems to be an every day occurrence. Are you suggesting states don't have rights to enforce laws on it's own territory?

 

[Mr. dB]

National defense is outlined in the constitution.

Roads and bridges aren't rights.

But they are necessities with an expense so great that paying for them must be spread across the entire population.

It is my view that primary education and basic medical care also fit that bill.

 

[mrplunkey]

No ,your post is the silliest thing I've read in a long time
Clearly federal funding for roads was listed in the Constituion at the time of signing. That has nothing to do with Police or Feds blocking off roads. However police blocking off roads seems to be an every day occurrence. Are you suggesting states don't have rights to enforce laws on it's own territory?

Are you rubber and I'm glue? That's what I'm expecting next from you.

How you read "fund roads" from "establish postal routes" is just ridiculous. Know how you establish a postal route? You pick a perfectly good road built by a state or even an individual and declare it a route. It really isn't that difficult.

Establishing post offices involves buildings and any building could be a post office. Thus the government should be in charge of all buildings as well.

I blame the US educational system.

 

[mrplunkey]

But they are necessities with an expense so great that paying for them must be spread across the entire population.

It is my view that primary education and basic medical care also fit that bill.

Jobs, housing, secondary education, food and even entertainment (and the arts) should be rights too by that logic.

I can't help it if you're a lukewarm liberal that doesn't believe in their own philosophy enough to go all-in.