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axismundi
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/tucson-swat-team-defends-shooting-iraq-marine-veteran/story?id=13640112 I just don't know what to say. Literally, I have no words for this.
Marine executed by Tuscon SWAT
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Redneck cops. Wanna be tough guys. NO DRUGS were found. They should execute the wanna be tough guy sherifs deputies that killed this man. Im sure they had probably cause to obtain a search warrant however could they not have waited until he went to work, stopped him , arrested him then searched his home? IDK it seems big brother and cops just want to ruin peoples lives with there BS
axismundi
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Dad would serve warrants... him in dress shirt and slacks and a couple of uniforms would knock on the door and identify themselves... not send an armed and armored squad of men at a house... if I saw that and didn't see police vehicles they'd find smoke canisters going off and 7.62x39 rounds flying at them while 911 was dialing on speaker phone
calveless wonder
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morons sending SWAT teams with kids in the house.
didn't these fuckin retards learn anything from those dumb fucks in Missouri awhile back that killed the family's 2 dogs, and almost shot the 6 year old daughter on a "drug bust" that only yielded a gram of marijuana?
nothing worse than backwoods cops with itchy trigger fingers
didn't these fuckin retards learn anything from those dumb fucks in Missouri awhile back that killed the family's 2 dogs, and almost shot the 6 year old daughter on a "drug bust" that only yielded a gram of marijuana?
nothing worse than backwoods cops with itchy trigger fingers
I agree CW. backwoods WANN A BE TOUGH GUY homos
misguided03
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What a bullshit story... The guy did TWO tours of service and they couldn't have approached him at work on the way to work with a traffic stop? Knocked on his door .... Nope they treated him as more dangerous and on the same level as scum I hope these cops get prison time.
oklahoma86
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Im so sick of these swat teams populated by average ass cops who have it in their head they are on a Special Forces team in Iraq. They continually forget "presumed innocent until proven guilty" is not just a disclaimer at the end of "Cops", it is the way the legal system and law enforcement are to look at suspects. Not letting paramedics into the house over "security concerns" in a 1200 square foot house sounds vindictive, it was certainly safe enough for them to execute a full search and come up with nothing... Law enforcement officials, when they commit criminal acts, should be prosecuted with no credit whatsoever for their previous service. The legal system's unquestioning acceptance of police testimony in trials, and blind eye to police brutality, or justification thereof, is inexcusable and just as much a threat to the public safety as the drug dealers they are so willing to endanger the community to bring down, men that traffic in narcotics should not be viewed as dangerous just because they have drugs... I guarantee that, instead of treating this individual with MORE respect for his service, their fingers were all the more tight on the trigger knowing they were kicking a Marine's door, as they were going in a place with someone who would actually would pose a threat to them if he decided to resist. Unfortunately, the raid happened on THEIR terms, and as such THEY are to blame for its outcome. Knocking on the door and serving the warrant 4 hours later would have been just as effective. Shameful
Strongbow
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I should fucking bomb you for agreeing with CW.
Ok folks let's slow down for a minute and use some logic here.
Why would cops rolls on the home of a innocent family? Could it be an incorrect address?
Why would cops shoot a supposedly innocent man 5 dozen times and make absolutely no attempt to conceal it? Could it be the husband also made a mistake? Based on the wife's statements they family mistook the SWAT team for home invaders?
Is an ex-Marine likely to have at least one firearm in the house and be fully prepared to use it if he thought the family was threatened? Yes
What do cops do when they burst into a home they believe to be occupied by one or more badguys and they are confronted with a man in possession of a firearm in the ready position?
Why would cops rolls on the home of a innocent family? Could it be an incorrect address?
Why would cops shoot a supposedly innocent man 5 dozen times and make absolutely no attempt to conceal it? Could it be the husband also made a mistake? Based on the wife's statements they family mistook the SWAT team for home invaders?
Is an ex-Marine likely to have at least one firearm in the house and be fully prepared to use it if he thought the family was threatened? Yes
What do cops do when they burst into a home they believe to be occupied by one or more badguys and they are confronted with a man in possession of a firearm in the ready position?
and this is why people have zero respect for law enforcement. they all dirty and most of them are fuckin loosers that were picked on their entire life and now they have the power and look to get back at society.
and they wonder why violence towards police is rising by the day.
and they wonder why violence towards police is rising by the day.
axismundi
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They didn't identify and they fired the first shot... the warrant included 3 other addresses. Everything about this was wrong.
axismundi
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The vast majority around here are returned Marines... your grossly incorrect assumption is why people hate LEO's misinformation.
DJLegacy2k1
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I know ALLOT of local cops in this STATE of MD let alone towns that I live and do business in, and I must say most are worthless fucks trying to use the police power to make them feel better about their lives. Maryland has such a high FALSE arrest rate that the state makes you sign a "I will no sue" statement if they decide to drop the charges against you. Its pathetic...Most police are either arrogant fucks or they are just BAD at their jobs. At least all that I have met and delt with.
-Legacy
See my fourth point in previous post
And?
Absolutely no one is arguing this isn't a horrific tragedy.
So the swat team was there serving a narco warrant? And when they came in the house he was there armed with an assault rifle?
From the leo's side I can see why they shot first and asked the questions later. Can you guys really blame them?
It is unfortunate that homeboy died.
From the leo's side I can see why they shot first and asked the questions later. Can you guys really blame them?
It is unfortunate that homeboy died.
axismundi
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Unless the 911 tape says "the swat team is about to shoot me" then no indication they thought they were cops.
Any mall ninja can but tacticool gear, operator pants, and a 15$ imitation helmet or the real deal. In an area where drug and human traffickers are rampant, when your own family had recently been home invasion victims, you were woken by your screaming wife... cops is probably the LAST thing on your head. THEN an accidental discharge by the aggressors you'd point a rifle at them too!
axismundi
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They had an alleged accidental discharge at which point he went to engage them! See my post right before this
misguided03
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Did they have to go after him and his family in such a manner? Did he have a criminal history arrest background or something that required a no knock warrant .... The answer is no actually quite the opposite.
If it was the wrong address they should be charged with murder executing a no knock warrant on an innocent family is in essence terrorism and at the very least criminal negligence.
Or are you saying because in service to his country he learned to defend his family and liberty and therefore doing so made it ok to execute him?
misguided03
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Shrug it's the thing to do ?
Meh
I'm still going to side with leo here.
I really doubt they stormed his home without announcing themselves as swat or leo.
Strongbow
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WHere the fuck is my K transfer for you to remain on my friends list. If you don;t do it soon Ima have to go around contridicting everything you say
WHere the fuck is my K transfer for you to remain on my friends list. If you don;t do it soon Ima have to go around contridicting everything you say
Even if you agree with me?
Didn't I give you like 5-6 million k a while back??? lol
Strongbow
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What have you done for me lately is the question I'm asking ! I would disagree on purpose just to be a pain in the ass, don't you know me by now.
axismundi
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From all accounts they didn't and every single person that has questioned any of their actions they attack and say they shouldn't be questioning anything because they allegedly found a photograph of a patron "saint" of drug traffickers so clearly this marine was a wicked criminal.
I could give two shits myself.
If I was on that raid team I would have took out the wife and kid too just to save the state some lawsuit money.
If I was on that raid team I would have took out the wife and kid too just to save the state some lawsuit money.
Fuck yeah!
misguided03
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Rofl sorry fluffy this has to happen don't fight it
why the fuck are you posting in this thread?
You got that shit right. I've been on the bad end of that.
when the cops in asskicking gear knock down the door they all start screaming something you can't really understand and you've got less than a second to get on your face. It's a very goddamn dangerous situation for anyone in there and it absolutely does not matter if you're an 8 year old kid or a 90 year old woman. If your back is to them, or your hands are in your pockets, or you're scratching your ass....or just about anything other than facing them square with your hands clearly open....you'll probably get shot.
Strongbow
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RottenWillow; said:
this is true if Swat was involved it was some serious shit going on or at least it was pretty serious shit with my experience in Richmond co Ga it's usually shit the local po po and sheriff don't wanna fuck with but in fairness swat does have a lotta gangstas with automatic weapons in it
misguided03
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Bump for more questions with questions
oklahoma86
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Ive been on the bad side of that too... and I didnt hear the word "POLICE" one time. I heard an explosion, the door get kicked in (which sounded like another explosion) and then the air was full of smoke and its just "GET THE FUCK DOWN" "HANDS IN THE AIR" "HANDS ON YOUR HEAD" "CHECK THE BACK". Im not saying they didnt say "POLICE", but they sure screamed a lot of shit besides "Police".
And for someone to point an assault rifle at a bunch of men congregated outside his house in masks and all black and assault rifles, and NOT point a gun at them seems naive. For someone to defend themselves, and especially their family, is never wrong.
Where I'm from it is not uncommon at all for home invaders to come 8 or 10 deep to houses where illicit activity is going on or cash is suspected to be, dressed as SWAT in knee pads and helmets and all black and pretend to be dirty police, a lot of the time the dealer actually thinks he got raided and got off with only losing his product. If this guy DID have 10 kilos of cocaine, much less weed, he still didnt deserve to die. Turns out he had NOTHING.
Usually these (criminal home invaders, not SWAT) guys at least hit places that HAVE narcotics and cash to take, unlike SWAT teams... Once youve seen them get to do whatever the fuck they want, and been on your knees with an assault rifle at your head just for BEING in a room... I dont care how cautious they want to be to protect their safety, I get that... but on the other side of the door is someone who doesnt even know you are coming in, and you are gonna be covered in body armor and extra clips and flashbangs and cry about "Officer safety above all else"??? Fuck that. The role of the POLICE is to PROTECT AND SERVE. Neither their safety nor motives are above any of the citizenry. They are conducting raids on SUSPECTS, not CONVICTS, for the crimes they intend to arrest. Fuck an abuse of power, in any of its forms. And all you big motherfuckers that look scarier than me - Im under 210lbs - forget it. Your gettin your face split just to teach you a lesson about being/looking stronger than a cop, even if you dont do shit. Is this statement a gross generalization and completely biased? Yes. But, in my experience, has been true 100% of the time.
DaBangEm
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It's a bad situation. The info they have on this guy is a drug dealer they bust in and are face to face with the nightmare scenario they train for. A man with a gun pointed at them. Not just a gun but if I remember te article correctly prolly some AR 15 variant.
Now with that being said I honestly believe it's a tragedy. But regardless of what this man did prior to this warrant being issued those SWAT members and LEO's want to get home that night as well. There is no time out in situations like that where you can have that shit aired out, it's all reactionary. Breach door, man with gun, I'm firing every time. Every time.
Now could they have issued the warrant differently maybe but when they serve them like that they want to make sure the main perp is there along with the evidence they are gathering to prosecute said perp.
What is most disturbing about this and what stinks to me and nobody has brought up is that the paramedics had to wait an hour to check this guy out. This seems very suspicious to me and if it took then an hour to clear that house, I'm gonna call bull shite. That house basically would have been cleared in less than 5 minutes total.
Now with that being said I honestly believe it's a tragedy. But regardless of what this man did prior to this warrant being issued those SWAT members and LEO's want to get home that night as well. There is no time out in situations like that where you can have that shit aired out, it's all reactionary. Breach door, man with gun, I'm firing every time. Every time.
Now could they have issued the warrant differently maybe but when they serve them like that they want to make sure the main perp is there along with the evidence they are gathering to prosecute said perp.
What is most disturbing about this and what stinks to me and nobody has brought up is that the paramedics had to wait an hour to check this guy out. This seems very suspicious to me and if it took then an hour to clear that house, I'm gonna call bull shite. That house basically would have been cleared in less than 5 minutes total.
misguided03
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Fuckin word for sure sb
10/10 times they know they're fucked.
Strongbow
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miplank; said:
Indeed I mean we all know I'm the produce manager at a super market but man I hate when a mo fuka bes trying to stick my fresh picked cucumbers in they pocket book. I post up on a bish wit my .40 cal and they bes like Wut. Man cum da fuck on you know wat now break yoself bish
themondtster
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Sounds like a cover up to me...government sanctioned hit to.cover up some secrets.
No but on the real, some one comes in my house like that with out announcing who they are they are getting shot themselves. Around here home invasions usually turn to murder...women and children. People have gotten away before with shooting the policy cause the idiots preceded to kick doors first before announcing who they were.
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No but on the real, some one comes in my house like that with out announcing who they are they are getting shot themselves. Around here home invasions usually turn to murder...women and children. People have gotten away before with shooting the policy cause the idiots preceded to kick doors first before announcing who they were.
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pretty sure if an entire swat team bursts in your house guns drawn you aren't gonna have time to do shit, and even if you manage to get a round or two off you're gonna end up fucked up
no stfu.
javaguru
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I think your final paragraph is the important one. What do cops expect when they kick in someone's door without warning? They ASSUME he is a bad guy...last time I checked everyone was innocent until proven guilty? Shouldn't THEY be held to a higher standard than an innocent person having their house violated by the government? Once again...a tragedy based on the government "war on drugs" which is an absolute waste of resources.
Strongbow
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Java I do not disagree with anything you're saying but me and you both know orders are orders and military and law enforcement carry out orders Its their jobs. I've done alot of shit I didn't wanna do or felt like was wrong but at the end of the day I plan on going home if you do or not
javaguru
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Well, we were both volunteers...we chose that path in life....knowing the risk and consequences. However, when you kick in someones door in Iraq it's different than kicking in someones door in suburban America. Soldiers and police have different responsibilities and we pay our police a hell of a lot more than our soldiers. I remember when I was being taught the "raid" mission. As light infantry we couldn't take prisoners... operating behind lines...it was generally understood you don't allow surrender unless it was a prisoner grab. You assault through the objective and do a body search. The police are police...not soldiers...
javaguru
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This was another reason I opposed the Iraq war...soldiers don't make good policeman.
