Mandatory steroid drug test in texas

[sofakingdel]

A bill was passed in Texas on Tuesday to test all high school athletes for Steroids. Weigh in on the poll and leave your opinion please. Personally I think its good and safe for the kid in high school athletics.

Heres the link:
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/615/79/

 

[bikercoz]

All for it but just don't make me pay for it in my damn tax bill or if you do let us decide what sport gets tested. I really don't want to pay for the female golf team to get tested. Looks like they are trying to do that or put a fee on tickets for sporting events. All for the latter!

 

[jeepboi]

All for it but just don't make me pay for it in my damn tax bill or if you do let us decide what sport gets tested. I really don't want to pay for the female golf team to get tested. Looks like they are trying to do that or put a fee on tickets for sporting events. All for the latter!

Amen!

 

[sofakingdel]

All for it but just don't make me pay for it in my damn tax bill or if you do let us decide what sport gets tested. I really don't want to pay for the female golf team to get tested. Looks like they are trying to do that or put a fee on tickets for sporting events. All for the latter!

You think this is to raise the price of tickets sales? You don't think they might be doin this for the health and safety of teenagers that live in texas which is right next to mexico, or the kid that has a lil internet savvy and can manuever around the internet and find himself a muscle cocktail. Texas is a big football state and for some kids thats all they got, a good high school athlete in Texas, and most other states, are like celebrities for their little town. So the motivation for a little juice and a lot of advantage is all too tempting for some.

 

[sofakingdel]

bump

 

[SpyWizard]

what will the government do next???

since it's illegal for minors to buy cigarette's, and we have scientific evidence that proves that will cause death in 100,000''s per year..

why isn't the gov testing for that with these kids??

hmm???

tell me that??

 

[Mac173]

All for it but just don't make me pay for it in my damn tax bill or if you do let us decide what sport gets tested. I really don't want to pay for the female golf team to get tested. Looks like they are trying to do that or put a fee on tickets for sporting events. All for the latter!

Those girls are juiced to the gills.

 

[myfault]

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[GeneticMutation]

IMO it won't make a fucking difference. Coaches and students will find ways to beat the testing just like in every other sport that is tested. Bribes/masking/sample switching - everything you can think of. After all, it IS the highschool players that move onto college football and if your not a teen juicer your not going to be able to compete against the ones who are.

Football is out of control in the US IMO. It is like the national religion of the states for christsakes. Not the kid's fault though, its the fans'. Just like the fans transitioned bodybuilding from the physique era to the mass-monster era, fans and spectators are putting the stress on these kids. Face it - you want your team to win at ANY cost right? You also pay to see fierce bone-crushing and aggressive competition. Nobody wants to watch a "gentlemen's" game of football, hockey, rugby, <insert favorite contact sport here>. People want to see ruthless competition

Look at it this way - what does the average fan of bodybuilding want from their Mr.Olympia? The largest, leanest and most vascular alpha male specimen in the world right? You think natty competitors stand a chance at taking the Olympia? Hell, when was the last time we had a Mr.Olympia below 250? If people wanted to see anything less than muscle freaks on the covers of MD and Flex, they would buy Men's Fitness instead. There's the pressure right there on the judges whose asses are wtfpwned by the IFBB which is in turn a slave of those that endorse the events. And who is pumping money into everything at the root of it all? The Fans.

Sorry, went off on a rant there. /rant off.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

So people dont wanna see bone drushing hits at canadas fav past time and national religon? Not flaming just asking. People are always america this an america that. america is not that bad people. We are not perfect just like the rest of the world is not perfect.

I think kids should be tested. sure they will find ways around it but it will be much much harder to use than it is now.

 

[GeneticMutation]

So people dont wanna see bone drushing hits at canadas fav past time and national religon? Not flaming just asking. People are always america this an america that. america is not that bad people. We are not perfect just like the rest of the world is not perfect.

I think kids should be tested. sure they will find ways around it but it will be much much harder to use than it is now.

I wasn't america bashing. As a matter of fact I love you yanks. If it wasn't for the U.S and Britain having us under their wing, we could be steamrolled by invading Japanese samurai and ninjas with swords+arrows.

Of course hockey is serious business to alot of people in Canada; however, we don't have many highschools with ice rinks or full athletic scholarships for people playing on post-secondary sports teams. In the US there is a sort of natural progression playing ball for school teams and eventually becoming an NFL pro. In Canada, you don't see QueensVSUofT as a big event. Canadians do not watch "college hockey" and only diehard fans keep up with the OHL and other leagues. In a country of like 30 million people, probably about 10 million actually give a shit about hockey and that is a very generous estimate.

Of course competition is fierce in hockey. It's the same as any other sport. I'm just saying that Americans place more value on football than Canadians do Hockey.

And I agree that kids should be tested. Although they'll find ways to fuck around with it, that doesn't mean it should be made easy on them.

 

[bikercoz]

You think this is to raise the price of tickets sales? You don't think they might be doin this for the health and safety of teenagers that live in texas which is right next to mexico, or the kid that has a lil internet savvy and can manuever around the internet and find himself a muscle cocktail. Texas is a big football state and for some kids thats all they got, a good high school athlete in Texas, and most other states, are like celebrities for their little town. So the motivation for a little juice and a lot of advantage is all too tempting for some

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I think you misunderstood my statement. First of all I live in Texas so I have a vested interest in this. This testing they are doing is going to cost over 4 Milliion dollars. The Senate version of the bill has the State paying for the 4 Million which means us taxpayers foot the bill. The House version has it being paid for by the Interscholastic League, which is the States governing body on school sports. They would pay for it through a surcharge on tickets for sporting events. I can assure you that the majority of us that live in the Lone Star State would prefer the latter. As far as pressure to perform in Texas being more than other states therefore greater temptation to use gear thats bunk and Hollywood crap from Friday Nite Lights. I played football thru college in both Texas and Missouri. There was no difference in the demands to excel in either state.

 

[sofakingdel]

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I think you misunderstood my statement. First of all I live in Texas so I have a vested interest in this. This testing they are doing is going to cost over 4 Milliion dollars. The Senate version of the bill has the State paying for the 4 Million which means us taxpayers foot the bill. The House version has it being paid for by the Interscholastic League, which is the States governing body on school sports. They would pay for it through a surcharge on tickets for sporting events. I can assure you that the majority of us that live in the Lone Star State would prefer the latter. As far as pressure to perform in Texas being more than other states therefore greater temptation to use gear thats bunk and Hollywood crap from Friday Nite Lights. I played football thru college in both Texas and Missouri. There was no difference in the demands to excel in either state.

kool i got it, you just don't want the testing to come out of your pocket, understandable. but you do agree kids should be tested? I know the difference in demand on high school players isn't any greater in Texas alone, but it is greater in small towns. A kid living in a big town gets easier recognition and has more available options to choose from. In smaller rural towns Friday night high school football is the only entertainment for many, and the career options are Walmart, The Army, or college for any high school athlete thats big and fast enough to bring the big college recruiter to the school. I lived in a small town, Muskegon MI, really small, and i also lived in Los Angeles, I currently live in San Diego, and I've definately seen the difference.

 

[s8nlilhlpr]

Well, I don't like the idea of high school athletes using gear, but I don't want to pay for it either. I live in texas so I'm just waiting for the tax increase. I'm sure they'll just switch to shorter esters in hopes they can beat the system, but some people will always use.

 

[txbondsman]

what will the government do next???

since it's illegal for minors to buy cigarette's, and we have scientific evidence that proves that will cause death in 100,000''s per year..

why isn't the gov testing for that with these kids??

hmm???

tell me that??

it's not illegal for minors to buy cigs, it's illegal for the store to sell to them. Kids don't get put in jail for having them in their possesion. Since cigs aren't illegal, hard to enforce who smokes, not hard to enforce who buy's them.

I think that because of the ages of the kids and the scientific data for closing growth plates in the bones, etc. it's a good thing. If they can get to college, they will find gear there, but they will be at leats 18, which is STILL young IMO.

 

[jochensa]

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I think you misunderstood my statement. First of all I live in Texas so I have a vested interest in this. This testing they are doing is going to cost over 4 Milliion dollars. The Senate version of the bill has the State paying for the 4 Million which means us taxpayers foot the bill. The House version has it being paid for by the Interscholastic League, which is the States governing body on school sports. They would pay for it through a surcharge on tickets for sporting events. I can assure you that the majority of us that live in the Lone Star State would prefer the latter. As far as pressure to perform in Texas being more than other states therefore greater temptation to use gear thats bunk and Hollywood crap from Friday Nite Lights. I played football thru college in both Texas and Missouri. There was no difference in the demands to excel in either state.

I really could care less if high school athletes are using gear or not. if you want to test kids ofr something test them for rec drugs or booze. we are sending a bad message to kids about juice and telling them that rec drugs are less harmful than trying to imrove physical performance. and it does upset me that we the people have to flip the bill

the use of gear by young men, playing football is justified. there is a window of opportunity (age wise) that should be siezed by any athlete of a young age. at any cost. we all use it recreationally now and it is OK I guesspoint being if any age is justified it is at a yonger age when it could mean pursueing a dream or free schooling.

 

[sofakingdel]

I really could care less if high school athletes are using gear or not. if you want to test kids ofr something test them for rec drugs or booze. we are sending a bad message to kids about juice and telling them that rec drugs are less harmful than trying to imrove physical performance. and it does upset me that we the people have to flip the bill

the use of gear by young men, playing football is justified. there is a window of opportunity (age wise) that should be siezed by any athlete of a young age. at any cost. we all use it recreationally now and it is OK I guesspoint being if any age is justified it is at a yonger age when it could mean pursueing a dream or free schooling.

the use of gear is justified in a kid thats 14-17 or even younger? hmmmm? yeah sieze the opportunity and lose your health. You know that their bodies natty hormone levels are already crazy, and AAS will just make it worst. Roid rage to the fullest then depression for most. Not to mention not being mature and disciplined enough to the proper research for proper dosage and PCT. The only way a kid could handle that would be if some one was helping them, I guess maybe someone like you huh, meet you in the gym or the parking lot after practice to hook them up because they have a small window at 16, yeah you're right on point.

 

[solidspine]

Texans are already too tall,

they should give gear to these kids at 14 just to stunt there growth.

 

[bikercoz]

the use of gear by young men, playing football is justified. there is a window of opportunity (age wise) that should be siezed by any athlete of a young age. at any cost. we all use it recreationally now and it is OK I guesspoint being if any age is justified it is at a yonger age when it could mean pursueing a dream or free schooling.

So you would pump your child full of gear at 16 if they played football???

 

[txbondsman]

I really could care less if high school athletes are using gear or not. if you want to test kids ofr something test them for rec drugs or booze. we are sending a bad message to kids about juice and telling them that rec drugs are less harmful than trying to imrove physical performance. and it does upset me that we the people have to flip the bill

the use of gear by young men, playing football is justified. there is a window of opportunity (age wise) that should be siezed by any athlete of a young age. at any cost. we all use it recreationally now and it is OK I guesspoint being if any age is justified it is at a yonger age when it could mean pursueing a dream or free schooling.

"the use of gear by young men, playing football is justified. there is a window of opportunity (age wise) that should be siezed by any athlete of a young age. at any cost."

that is one of the most ludacris statements that I have read on the site, "the window of opportunity" as you call it, is the time spent on the field with his father or coaches learning the basics and fundamentals that make good players stand apart from others. Not useing gear to cover flaws that he may have, slowing the natural testosterone production he has at it's peak, possible bone problems, cholesterol, other problems ad neauseum.

I'll go out on a limb here and say that you'ld never hear it's OK for someone 14-18 to get on gear from any vet or mod on this site. That's a shit load of knowledge and experience to draw from...

 

[samoth]

So you would pump your child full of gear at 16 if they played football???

What if it meant a $30,000/year Ivy athletic scholarship?

There's money in HS athletics, even if not directly in the student's hand.

 

[sofakingdel]

I really could care less if high school athletes are using gear or not. if you want to test kids ofr something test them for rec drugs or booze. we are sending a bad message to kids about juice and telling them that rec drugs are less harmful than trying to imrove physical performance. and it does upset me that we the people have to flip the bill

the use of gear by young men, playing football is justified. there is a window of opportunity (age wise) that should be siezed by any athlete of a young age. at any cost. we all use it recreationally now and it is OK I guesspoint being if any age is justified it is at a yonger age when it could mean pursueing a dream or free schooling.

i hope you don't have kids man, and if you do I hope God saves their souls and protects their health from your idiotic train of thought on the use of steroids. God forbid we see the day when your kid comes steps up in the Tee Ball league poppin homeruns over the other 6 year olds in the 225 ft field, as you yell 'thats right son just like Barry, seize the opportunity, while you're young, woooo we're gonna be RICH'

 

[sofakingdel]

What if it meant a $30,000/year Ivy athletic scholarship?

There's money in HS athletics, even if not directly in the student's hand.

Risk your childs life and health for $30,000-$120,000? Its even worse if the parents are involved. Its like selling your kids soul.

 

[txbondsman]

What if it meant a $30,000/year Ivy athletic scholarship?

There's money in HS athletics, even if not directly in the student's hand.

if the kid is good enough to play the the college level, the LAST thing that I would do is gve him the go-a-head for gear. NEVER, never, would I teach my son (1) that it's OK to do something illegal in certain circumstances in athletics, (2) to jeopardize his future by fucking something up with his body. period. If that means that I'll use the money that I have set aside already for him, so be it. Or I"ll send him to a JR college first to get the exposure that he needs.
Yes, I have a son who is talented, he plays hockey and baseball, usually leads the scoreing and batting average each year. He isn't yet HS age, but I'd never let or turn a blind eye to him using gear.

 

[sofakingdel]

if the kid is good enough to play the the college level, the LAST thing that I would do is gve him the go-a-head for gear. NEVER, never, would I teach my son (1) that it's OK to do something illegal in certain circumstances in athletics, (2) to jeopardize his future by fucking something up with his body. period. If that means that I'll use the money that I have set aside already for him, so be it. Or I"ll send him to a JR college first to get the exposure that he needs.
Yes, I have a son who is talented, he plays hockey and baseball, usually leads the scoreing and batting average each year. He isn't yet HS age, but I'd never let or turn a blind eye to him using gear.

Thats the truth man, K to you Bondsman

 

[jochensa]

Thats the truth man, K to you Bondsman

for one its not your decision ... for 2 or any dads as whether or not your kid is going to do the gear bro. these are decisions that I have ssn made a 100 plus times by friends/team-mates. if you want to play/excel/compete you do what you have to do. i have seen the most academic tight asses go that route. doctors lawyers now and in perfect health.and of course I am not going to put my kids on gear. at any age I dont even by cigs or beer for strangers that hang outside the store waiting for buyers.

i made the decision myself back in the day and have no regrets. but yeah i would rather see my kid use gear than be hooked on weed or oc's like half the lot of kids these days. it could make the difference between getting a full scholi to pursue a dream rather than saying "jimmy took the gear and played at auburn 4 years and had not a hitch in health whatsoever"

I think you are buying into the media hype and justifying your own use. that is by all intents and purposes for no reason. where as a young kid has a window to seize. I honestly have 100 literally of documanted cases on this..about 300 to be exact......songs of experiance is all I sing bro

 

[sofakingdel]

for one its not your decision ... for 2 or any dads as whether or not your kid is going to do the gear bro. these are decisions that I have ssn made a 100 plus times by friends/team-mates. if you want to play/excel/compete you do what you have to do. i have seen the most academic tight asses go that route. doctors lawyers now and in perfect health.and of course I am not going to put my kids on gear. at any age I dont even by cigs or beer for strangers that hang outside the store waiting for buyers.

i made the decision myself back in the day and have no regrets. but yeah i would rather see my kid use gear than be hooked on weed or oc's like half the lot of kids these days. it could make the difference between getting a full scholi to pursue a dream rather than saying "jimmy took the gear and played at auburn 4 years and had not a hitch in health whatsoever"

I think you are buying into the media hype and justifying your own use. that is by all intents and purposes for no reason. where as a young kid has a window to seize. I honestly have 100 literally of documanted cases on this..about 300 to be exact......songs of experiance is all I sing bro

Well K to you bro for standing behind your opinion. The sad but true fact is that kids are getting an edge using juice at such a young age, fortunately some people feel the need to correct it through drug testing. Of course some kids will find a way to get passed the drug test but those will be truly determined kids that have either done research, or are being coached and fed steroids. For the most part the testing will discourage a majority of the kids looking for a quick muscle fix. If you choose to condone the use of steroids by kids with immature bodies, brains, and a tumultous sea of raging hormones more power to you, but I strongly disagree. But again K to you for standing up for your opinion.

 

[jochensa]

Well K to you bro for standing behind your opinion. The sad but true fact is that kids are getting an edge using juice at such a young age, fortunately some people feel the need to correct it through drug testing. Of course some kids will find a way to get passed the drug test but those will be truly determined kids that have either done research, or are being coached and fed steroids. For the most part the testing will discourage a majority of the kids looking for a quick muscle fix. If you choose to condone the use of steroids by kids with immature bodies, brains, and a tumultous sea of raging hormones more power to you, but I strongly disagree. But again K to you for standing up for your opinion.

no biggie bro for sure, just been there done that is all. we are talking at most a cycle of test cyp for 12 weekes during the summer or 50 winny. MG's we laugh at to get a bit of an edge. cuz most of the young kids cant afford a retarded cycle. at least in my cases. i am thinking if my kid ( i dont have any) said to me I used juice to excel. at least i would be able to say lets see the doc to see what damage you have done so young. and not finding out he is using a substance that may kill him after one use or cause $$ or household items to go missing. which I have seen and it isnt pretty. lesser of 2 evils for sure. if the case was OC's/Heroin or gear I would help with what knowlege i know about and i have seen. I have a liberal parent mind set, even telling my baby girl to be careful rather than abstain from sex.

 

[BigCracker]

kool i got it, you just don't want the testing to come out of your pocket, understandable. but you do agree kids should be tested? I know the difference in demand on high school players isn't any greater in Texas alone, but it is greater in small towns. A kid living in a big town gets easier recognition and has more available options to choose from. In smaller rural towns Friday night high school football is the only entertainment for many, and the career options are Walmart, The Army, or college for any high school athlete thats big and fast enough to bring the big college recruiter to the school. I lived in a small town, Muskegon MI, really small, and i also lived in Los Angeles, I currently live in San Diego, and I've definately seen the difference.

What the fuck? You guys want big brother to save the children from themselves at the expense of the rest of us? Where's the parents at? It's the parent's responsibility to keep their kids off of drugs. Parenthood doesn't "just happen" Especially these days with the morning after pill, ru486, etc. If you can't handle the responsibilities of parenthood why should the government charge the rest of us to do the parents job? I wasn't there during the moment of lust when the kid was created, so why should I be penalized for it by tapping into my wallet??? The problem is that nobody wants to be held accountable for shit anymore. When I was a kid if you did drugs it was cuz your parents were fuck ups. This hasn't changed, but the blame has been wrongfully transferred elsewhere.

Otherwise, I'm all for drug testing-give me the drugs-and I'll test them.

 

[jeb0177]

Thank God I graduated on 1996 from high school heheh!

 

[humble]

What the fuck? You guys want big brother to save the children from themselves at the expense of the rest of us? Where's the parents at? It's the parent's responsibility to keep their kids off of drugs. Parenthood doesn't "just happen" Especially these days with the morning after pill, ru486, etc. If you can't handle the responsibilities of parenthood why should the government charge the rest of us to do the parents job? I wasn't there during the moment of lust when the kid was created, so why should I be penalized for it by tapping into my wallet??? The problem is that nobody wants to be held accountable for shit anymore. When I was a kid if you did drugs it was cuz your parents were fuck ups. This hasn't changed, but the blame has been wrongfully transferred elsewhere.

Otherwise, I'm all for drug testing-give me the drugs-and I'll test them.

Words of wisdom, solid post bro.

 

[jeb0177]

I totally do not agree with you, our parents do everything to guide us to the right path (most of our parents) i did drugs when I was in high school that doesn't mean that my parents were fuk ups!!

c'mon that's a really stupid comment to throw it to their (our, or everybody's) parents. yes I did drugs just to try them out but that's it! curiosity just mariguana and reiphnol pill or what ever that is called.

I'm an civil engineer PE now.

my point is that is not totally the parents responsibility, they try to show you how to be good, not to use drugs and stay away from them but IT'S YOUR CHOICE no body will twist your arm to DO DRUGS!!!! ANY TYPE OF DRUGS.!

What the fuck? You guys want big brother to save the children from themselves at the expense of the rest of us? Where's the parents at? It's the parent's responsibility to keep their kids off of drugs. Parenthood doesn't "just happen" Especially these days with the morning after pill, ru486, etc. If you can't handle the responsibilities of parenthood why should the government charge the rest of us to do the parents job? I wasn't there during the moment of lust when the kid was created, so why should I be penalized for it by tapping into my wallet??? The problem is that nobody wants to be held accountable for shit anymore. When I was a kid if you did drugs it was cuz your parents were fuck ups. This hasn't changed, but the blame has been wrongfully transferred elsewhere.

Otherwise, I'm all for drug testing-give me the drugs-and I'll test them.

 

[BigCracker]

I totally do not agree with you, our parents do everything to guide us to the right path (most of our parents) i did drugs when I was in high school that doesn't mean that my parents were fuk ups!!

c'mon that's a really stupid comment to throw it to their (our, or everybody's) parents. yes I did drugs just to try them out but that's it! curiosity just mariguana and reiphnol pill or what ever that is called.

I'm an civil engineer PE now.

my point is that is not totally the parents responsibility, they try to show you how to be good, not to use drugs and stay away from them but IT'S YOUR CHOICE no body will twist your arm to DO DRUGS!!!! ANY TYPE OF DRUGS.!

You can be a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon, but if you don't have the right communication skills with your kids, or you fail to instill the proper morals in them(as yours obviously failed to do), simply put: you suck as a parent. Maybe you're a model citizen that contributes to society for pennies? But you can still suck as a parent if you can't keep your kids hands out of the cookie jar. Kids should not be held 100% responsible either. Their brain hasn't fully developed to make rational decisions in their younger years-so why is it up to the government to do what most parents are incapable of, or too lazy to do?

Curiosity??? LMFAO! Isn't that what killed the cat??? Duh!

I say leave it up to the parents. In 20 years the kids with lame parents will have killed themselves off and the overall IQ's of our entire nation will rise a few points as a result.

 

[lookatme4001]

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to do what they want to their body, but at that age, its difficult to be fully educated on what they are doing to their body.

 

[jeb0177]

morals or no morals if you're born to be bad you will be bad and a junkie no matter if you have the best perfect parents on this earth.

You can be a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon, but if you don't have the right communication skills with your kids, or you fail to instill the proper morals in them(as yours obviously failed to do), simply put: you suck as a parent. Maybe you're a model citizen that contributes to society for pennies? But you can still suck as a parent if you can't keep your kids hands out of the cookie jar. Kids should not be held 100% responsible either. Their brain hasn't fully developed to make rational decisions in their younger years-so why is it up to the government to do what most parents are incapable of, or too lazy to do?

Curiosity??? LMFAO! Isn't that what killed the cat??? Duh!

I say leave it up to the parents. In 20 years the kids with lame parents will have killed themselves off and the overall IQ's of our entire nation will rise a few points as a result.

 

[jeb0177]

You can be a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon, but if you don't have the right communication skills with your kids, or you fail to instill the proper morals in them(as yours obviously failed to do), I DON'T HAVE KIDS.. YET! I'M SAYING PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WHEN I WAS A KID.

Curiosity??? LMFAO! Isn't that what killed the cat??? Duh! EXACTLY!! HEHEHE!

I say leave it up to the parents. In 20 years the kids with lame parents will have killed themselves off and the overall IQ's of our entire nation will rise a few points as a result.

ARE U INTO POLITICS

 

[jeb0177]

EXACTLY BROTHER I AGREE!

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to do what they want to their body, but at that age, its difficult to be fully educated on what they are doing to their body.

 

[used2juice]

You're all stupid. Stupid hypocrits, I hate all of you. When did your parents teach you to have opinions and think for yourselves?

 

[jeb0177]

LMFAO!!!! YEP. STUPIDS! HOW CAN YOU ALL TALK ABOUT OUR OWN PARENTS SAYING THAT IS THEIR FAULT FOR TAKING DRUGS OR BECAUSE OF OUR ACTIONS!! FUKING BASTARDS!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!! (you know who that would be on this post) hehehehehehhe!

 

[BigCracker]

You guys are a bunch of tit sucking mama's boys that can't accept the fact that your parent's moronic genetic traits were passed on to you. Ignorance is bliss. Go ahead, keep giving up your rights until were all forced to be a bunch of sheeple that must blindly follow whatever the government says without question. After all, we need someone to save us from ourselves because we're all too retarded to make decisions on our own. And Jeb, I bet you're still a pencilneck bedwetter that couldn't get laid in a gorilla whore house with a bag of bananas!!! Try thinking for yourself for a change. You probably believed your priest when he said you need to lick him where he pees in order to go to heaven too. I tell ya what-my kid would never have a 2nd thought in that situation(hopefully he'd stab him in the pecker with his pocket knife) because he would've been taught the concept of free thought instead of me sitting him in front of the tv to babysit him all day and rely on public service announcements to raise him with proper values. Don't even get me started on you christians that rely on "The Flying Spaghetti Monster From Above" to raise your kids properly. Your God drowned all his children. Who in their right mind would rely on him for guidance? Maybe that chick that drowned her kids in the lake last year? She's a token member of the religous community.

 

[sman275]

You can be a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon, but if you don't have the right communication skills with your kids, or you fail to instill the proper morals in them(as yours obviously failed to do), simply put: you suck as a parent. Maybe you're a model citizen that contributes to society for pennies? But you can still suck as a parent if you can't keep your kids hands out of the cookie jar. Kids should not be held 100% responsible either. Their brain hasn't fully developed to make rational decisions in their younger years-so why is it up to the government to do what most parents are incapable of, or too lazy to do?

Curiosity??? LMFAO! Isn't that what killed the cat??? Duh!

I say leave it up to the parents. In 20 years the kids with lame parents will have killed themselves off and the overall IQ's of our entire nation will rise a few points as a result.

The HS kids of today are going to do it with or without the info. My oldest son (9th) grade has conversations with his wrestling/football teammates
daily about AAS. My son knows about growth plates and AAS. My son is
already quite large (Fresh 6'3" and 220). People think that he is ON because of his size. We will start lifting (WNPF and USAPL) sometime this year. He is CLEAN and I hope that he will stay that way for a long time! I think that open honesty about gear with kids will help prevent AAS use or at least abuse! I personally know of kids that were ON and are now crashing because
of lack of PCT. KNOWLEDGE IS THE KEY!

 

[used2juice]

You guys are a bunch of tit sucking mama's boys that can't accept the fact that your parent's moronic genetic traits were passed on to you.

I think I read about the "moron" gene finally being isolated on MSN.com a week ago.

 

[needtogetaas]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=543529

 

[BigCracker]

The HS kids of today are going to do it with or without the info. My oldest son (9th) grade has conversations with his wrestling/football teammates
daily about AAS. My son knows about growth plates and AAS. My son is
already quite large (Fresh 6'3" and 220). People think that he is ON because of his size. We will start lifting (WNPF and USAPL) sometime this year. He is CLEAN and I hope that he will stay that way for a long time! I think that open honesty about gear with kids will help prevent AAS use or at least abuse! I personally know of kids that were ON and are now crashing because
of lack of PCT. KNOWLEDGE IS THE KEY!

At least you took the time to explain what the ramifications of steroid use are to your son. Most parents are too busy struggling to make their over extended mortgage payment and luxury SUV payments to worry about their kids using drugs or AS. That's why they try to pass the responsibility on to the schools so they have someone else to blame for their sub-par parenting skills. Look at the Columbine Massacre-you didn't see those parents accepting responsibility for shit. Last I heard a kid in high school couldn't legally purchase a Tek 9. Fuck, I couldn't spend $20 without my parents knowing where the $20 was spent or where I got it in the 1st place. I still got away with some things, but at least it taught me how to cover my tracks so I didn't wind up in jail for something stupid as an adult.

Christ, the younger generation is even brainwashed into defending their parents and their apathy towards raising their kids to be responsible for their own actions.

 

[jochensa]

I honestly have seen some of the strongest guys natty. I t really comes down to a steady routine, consistantcy, and genetics. I was in the bst shape of my life natty. education for young kids is key.....then it their decision. besides we put young ladies on the pill very early. and most male enhacement products these days have all the same ingredients as soon to be banned pefromance enhancing drugs.....just a whacked case of the aas being the flavor of the month. while the real probs are being overlooked.

great posts and def some good variation in views, that all say the same thing in the end!!

 

[NFG123reborn]

A bill was passed in Texas on Tuesday to test all high school athletes for Steroids. Weigh in on the poll and leave your opinion please. Personally I think its good and safe for the kid in high school athletics.

Heres the link:
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/615/79/

While the intent is good, and we certainly don't want minors using AAS, the tax burden placed on the citizens and the individual choice (all of ours' illegal) to engage in substance is reserved for the citizens. What if this expands into compulsory testing for all college kids from alcohol breath tests to urinalysis for marijuana on Mondays. What if it applies to all federal government workers?

The highway to hell is paved with good intentions. Certainly the federal government, a punitive body, should not engage in fishing expeditions with America's youth. It sends the wrong message "we do not trust you as citizens" to individuals developing their sense of where they belong in a society, and it obliterates the idea of due process.

The seems like an AMORAL requirement, initiated, in response like everything else, to a vocal minority unconcerned with degenerating your rights'.

The federal or statement government does not belogn in our bedroom and it certainly does not belong in your bathroom stall.

 

[BigCracker]

While the intent is good, and we certainly don't want minors using AAS, the tax burden placed on the citizens and the individual choice (all of ours' illegal) to engage in substance is reserved for the citizens. What if this expands into compulsory testing for all college kids from alcohol breath tests to urinalysis for marijuana on Mondays. What if it applies to all federal government workers?

The highway to hell is paved with good intentions. Certainly the federal government, a punitive body, should not engage in fishing expeditions with America's youth. It sends the wrong message "we do not trust you as citizens" to individuals developing their sense of where they belong in a society, and it obliterates the idea of due process.

The seems like an AMORAL requirement, initiated, in response like everything else, to a vocal minority unconcerned with degenerating your rights'.

The federal or statement government does not belogn in our bedroom and it certainly does not belong in your bathroom stall.

Amen!