Man...Ive Always Wondered.........

[SonnyBlack]

does it really matter wat you eat in terms of not gaining fat as long as you dont go over maintenance calories???In other words let say on one day you eat 2 mcdonalds hamburgers and a snickers ( i know im exagerating a litlle...i normally dont eat this crap myself) during a day and fries...but your calories stayed below maintenance...will you gain fat????Does it matter wat foods u eat or wat combos of foods u eat (fat and carbs, protein and fat...etc)...or how many calories u eat during the day???

 

[tlhc]

if you don't go over maintenance it won't make you fat

there was this dude, don't remember his name, who posted that he ate ice cream and pizza all day when cutting, he did some kind of isocaloric diet i think,....

it's not healthy doing that, but staying below maintenance get's the work done, no matter what food you eat........ MHO

 

[Mr.X]

Technically, but it you look at reason, I think no. Because, let's say you eat a pint of ice cream (800cal) with 1cup of grape juice and 2 apples and peanut butter sandwhich. Oh man, this will wreak havoc on your insulin and of-course store a lot of the food as fat, i.e. the high-gi w/ fat will fit into the category of BMR calories, but it will also fit into the category of sure fat gain.

Mr.X

 

[SonnyBlack]

can anyone please expand mr x's respond cus i dont really get it...does this apply only to things with sugar that elevate insulin greatly...or just all carbs in general??? Which of these foods will wreak havoc on your insulin levels and make you become iinsulin resistant or wat???please elaborate a little more for the sake of slow people like me...hehe

 

[tlhc]

i don't completely get it either,

let's say there is a person which needs (-insert high number here-) cals maintenance

and he consumes that pint of ice cream, 1 cup grape juice,... in one sitting,

consequently lots of insulin is released into his bloodstream and he stores all the fat,

but what happens when this meal is his only one?
does it mean that this is a sure way to get fat while losing muscles? because you store all the fat from that one meal, but you lose lots of muscles because the body prefers protein over fat the rest of the day, and also because blood sugar is dropping?

i'm getting a little confused,...

 

[SonnyBlack]

yeah me too...man this is confusing!!!diet gurus please chime in!!

 

[Hoffmeister]

I think, in general, it still has more to do with 24 hour calorie balance than an individual meal.

But I also think this approach makes sense. John Berardi explains this fairly well in his "Massive Eating":

http://www.testosterone.net/html/147mass.html

I try to follow this as much as possible (but not the calorie intake he suggests). I try to base every meal around protein first, then either fats or carbs. For example, if I eat a Ribeye Steak, I'll only have a salad or mixed vegetables with it. With fish or chicken, I'll eat sweet potatoes, brown rice, etc.

Above all, I try to stay away from high fat/high carb combinations. It seems to be a workable "lifetime" diet.

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

Massive Eating is a fantastic approach to not only pre-contest, bulking, dieting, but also everyday eating.

When insulin levels are up for tha average Joe Blow it's impossible to burn bodyfat. That's why when u bullshit foods even below your maintance you still won't lose fat.

 

[diamonddiceclay]

what diet are you on?

 

[MS]

Technically it doesn't matter as long as you're getting enough protein to maintain LBM and moving the weights around. It really makes no difference if you pig out for one meal and store lots of fat and then remobilise the fat the next day. It is also untrue to say that you cannot burn stored fat when insulin levels are high. The isulin reduces the rate of fatburning but doesn't eliminate it. And by creating a calorie deficit your body will burn more fat later on when insulin levels have dropped. The worst diet you could eat would be a high carb frequent feeding diet. This keeps insulin levels high most of the day and is not good for you. Aside from that hunger rears it's ugly head a lot more on a high GI diet. But even in this state you can still lose fat as long as you eat below maintenance.