MACRO/ULTER........Testing a new Aromatese Inhibitor Formula:

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Pseven is sold by AF, its another topical with pregenenolone and 7-oxo-dhea.
so guess the answer is no. Unfortunate about the rash, thats an occasional problem with topicals. it could also be that you have a mild allergy to one of the ingredients.

only other topical i used was YES and that did not leave any rash etc.

 

[swordfish151]

Hey..just catching up on this thread..been gone since last thursday..anyway..DBBT washed out?? Sensitive ass! lol..anyway week 4 or mid week 4 no rash in site, no irritation, still dry as hell...on week 4 of sust/dbol loving it....at first (week 3) i did notice a slight redness but no irritation on my forearms, went to the feet, but the "slight" redness went away in a day....went back to the forearms...the only thing i did notice is that it really dry's the area out (where applied) other then that...no bad effects at all

 

[Ulter]

Thanks for posting your results bro.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

What is it that you want to know that would be in Merck? First you asked where you can find that the two material, test and ATD, are similar in molecular weight. .

The information I was looking for has been posted. The avoidance of the question was basically all I wanted. See...for someone making a claim to be a researcher in the claimed field that you and Macro are claiming, coupled with Macro's claim that he has "thousands of dollars in books" ....I wanted to see if he had this most basic of texts. The refusal to post those page numbers are proof enough, in my mind, that he doesn't actually have "thousands of dollars" in texts. He could have simply posted the pages I asked for if he had the book. And it is, let me remind everyone, the most basic of texts reqauired to work in this area. And he doesn't have it, clearly, as he can't post simple page numbers, instead choosing to do internet searches and such to post the information, when I SPECIFICALLY asked for a page from a specific book.

In short, he doesn't have this book, it would seem. And if he doesn't have it, I doubt he has "thousands of dollars" in research books in this area. And if he doesn't have those books, then he's simply avoiding the questions.

Remember, when he said he can't post certain information because it's only available in books, not the net? Therefore, one must either take his word for it, or spend thousands of dollars to verify his claims. He said that in this very thread.

I would, instead offer another, now seemingly more plausable explanation:

He doesn't have those books that he has failed even to name. He doesn't even have the most basic of them, clearly. And if that is the case, which I think it is, then I believe there must be another reason he has failed to provide verification for his various claims.

That reason is obvious, I believe.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Also, I would like to add that unless the "proprietary blend" that has been developed by ANAFIT is better than anything that has been developed by the worlds pharmaceutical companies, given the molecular weight of ATD, I can't see how it would have better than 15% absorbtion. 15% absorbtion is not good enough for anyone to ever reccomend using transdermal steroids vs/ oral steroids. So why are we doing it with an AI? It doesn't make sense.

 

[Ulter]

The formula is not completely unique. But we're not about to tell you where to go find it and post it on the internet. WTF?
The last time we posted our ingredients on Elite (Thermorexin) our bottler got a call from a business associate of Georges who wanted the bottler to make him the same formula.
You will not get the information you're asking for. And my point was that neither you nor anyone else are not entitled to our formula. The starting point for this formula was found in a very expensive book. If you want to know about where these things are maybe you can ask Patrick Arnold since he's used the same books to steal PH and other formulas.

As far as what makes sense to you or not, I'm afraid I can't help you there. Maybe you should read the posts of the people using it. Maybe you should have tried it yourself. In any event you'll have your answer when the 40 people we have using it submit their questionaires and post results.

What's funny to me is that this entire discussion is old hat to me.

2001 - There is no such thing as spot fat reduction so Yohimburn can't work. The science doesn't support it. Yohimburn goes on to become the number one selling product in it's category with no advertising.

2002 - There is no reason to buy R+ Lipoic Acid, regular ALA is just as good so don't waste your money. Glucorell goes on to become the number one provider of R+ Lipoic Acid in the US depite over 20 companies trying to copy it. Many of the same companies that said it didn't work when we introducted it BTW.

2003 - Neurogenex can't possibly help students with the cognitive skills. Piracetim then goes on to be a number one seller for cognitive skills in the US supplement market.

2005 - Anthony says that AI doesn't work because he can't find the literature on it.

Do you see what I mean? No one really cares what you think. The marketplace decides what works, not Anthony, not X, not any individual or group. The people that use it decide if it works.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

You copied and pasted together a book of information you lifted from the internet discussion boards and now you consider yourself an expert? You're just a failed rugby player who read the boards and compiled posts.
You actually need someone to tell you where find the molecular weight of chemicals BY GIVING YOU THE PAGE THEY ARE ON.
Go back to posting as Hooker and lose the attitude.

How odd. My book isn't available yet (it will be released next week). And...somehow ....you know what's in it, and feel yourself capable of giving a book synopsis on it.

Thats cool.

Do you often give summaries of books that haven't been released yet?

How often do you give opinions on things you haven't read? Just asking out of curiousity...

If you haven't read my book, and are giving an opinion on it, can we assume the same amount of care and research has gone into developing your supplements?

 

[Ulter]

I appologize, I assumed the things you post all over the boards as Anthony Roberts are the same as the book. If you are posting things that are not in step with the book then you're right I don't know what's in it. I have read large portions of the book as far as I know though.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

The formula is not completely unique. But we're not about to tell you where to go find it and post it on the internet. WTF?
The last time we posted our ingredients on Elite (Thermorexin) our bottler got a call from a business associate of Georges who wanted the bottler to make him the same formula.

Why would that upset you. You weren't the first on the market with such a product. You were second. So, frankly....shouldn't the first person to come up with it say the same thing about you guys?

You will not get the information you're asking for. And my point was that neither you nor anyone else are not entitled to our formula. The starting point for this formula was found in a very expensive book. If you want to know about where these things are maybe you can ask Patrick Arnold since he's used the same books to steal PH and other formulas.

So you're selling a product that you won't divulge exactly whats in it. And saying that me and Patrick Arnold are theives who just steal information (him from books and me from "the boards")? Ok. I don't see how that supports your position though, on ATD.

You won't tell us what book you have gotten it from, what the formula, or provide real evidence. Are you starting a cult or practicing alchemy? Because all the secrecy is more akin to magic than science. From my limited experience in science, the more solid your ideas are, the more readily you put them to the test for all to confirm. You, on the other hand, have "secret expensive books"....

I would suggest starting a religion rather than a supplement company, if you want to go this route. Secret books are very popular in this field...thats why the Bible was originally printed in Latin, and the Torah in Hebrew.

As far as what makes sense to you or not, I'm afraid I can't help you there. Maybe you should read the posts of the people using it. Maybe you should have tried it yourself. In any event you'll have your answer when the 40 people we have using it submit their questionaires and post results.

I don't know. Relying on posts isn't really credible, I think. Why not get bloodwork done? Also...as for posts well...how do I know that they haven't been edited. Some of my posts in this thread have been edited by Macro when I provided valid criticism of his product.

In any case, here's a quote from someone on another board who has used ATD (oral):

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(WSTRAINER)

Although this is not an answere to your question, I did want people to be aware of the effects of ATD.
I train (Im a S&C coach) a researcher who has a few patents on AI,s and if all goes well will be introducing one to market in a few years. When I showed him my bottle of ATD, he agreed that it should work, but wanted me to take 1-2 capsules instead of the reccomended 4 (Gaspari brand).
In his opinion, lowering estrogen to raise testosterone for the natural trainee is the best and safest option.
ATD: I didnt take it for PCT (I havent done a cycle in 8 months). My main goal was to lean out and increase LBM. None of those occurred. If anything, I got fatter. The worst side effect, and the reason i wouldnt even reccomend this to my enemies was to constant joint pains. This made training / working out nearly impossible. Im just strating to feel better after about 6 weeks of being off ATD.
Just wanted to warn people.

The next person who posted noted that:

some others have noticed this as well.

Read that post here.

 

[Mr.X]

AR....Macro gave me this formula, he said it could be posted as it's not 'proprietary' only the amounts are.

*all the ingredients are made available.
the delivery system is similar to the one used for P-7 (which has been used on this board for several years)
ATD
DHEA
(there are versions with a third ingredient (4 generation oestrogen suppresant) but they are not being made available on the boards)
pure alcohol
propylene glycol
orange oil
oleic acid
linalool
glycerin