Low Back Pain HELP

[C-Bass]

Started on a sus/nolvadex 500mgs/week sus, nolvadex as needed (beginners cycle) about 9 weeks ago. I have just begun to reduce my dosage to 250/week but have been experiencing severe lower back pain.
Stats: 5'11
Bodyweight 220
Bodyfat 10%

I know that I didn't injure it and I am meticulous about form while lifting (I have trainer with more degrees than a thermometer). I train mostly with kettle bells and do not overtrain. 3x a week with 45 mins of cardio on my days off (70% of Max)

I have visited a chiro 4x now and he said that it is because I have too much muscle in my lower back. I have tried muscle relaxants and even a couple painkillers

Is there anything that I should be doing other than icing and stretching?

Please help!

 

[jroc86]

PErsonally I rally 1 session of heat yoga a week to keep my shoulders, back, and knees limber ... and yeah, if youve got a really strong/tight lower back pain is common place. Even if the muscle is slightly shorter/tighter/more inflammed than it should be pain can be prevalent due to the immense # of peripheral spinal nerves.

Stretch a little more (in the shower is good aswell) and maybe ice before bed, and youll be good to go bro.

 

[C-Bass]

PErsonally I rally 1 session of heat yoga a week to keep my shoulders, back, and knees limber ... and yeah, if youve got a really strong/tight lower back pain is common place. Even if the muscle is slightly shorter/tighter/more inflammed than it should be pain can be prevalent due to the immense # of peripheral spinal nerves.

Stretch a little more (in the shower is good aswell) and maybe ice before bed, and youll be good to go bro.

Thank you for the reply. The only question that I would have is "when to ice and when to use heat" If there is swelling in the area (which there is) wouldn't you want to ice as much as possible. I always thought that you would want heat when you are trying to stretch out the affected area

As for stretching, I know that is probably one of the reasons why that my lower back is astight as a virgins honey-pot. I am going to add "active stretching to my routine once I start working out again so this doesnt happen again.
Again, thank you for your input

p.s. how do you take a yoga class without being the laughing stock of the entire gym. I mean no disrespect but it seems like 99.9% of yoga classes are these little pliable women......

 

[Tatyana]

I would see a physio. A good sports physio is better for BBing than a chiropracter IMHO.

The last time I hurt/strained my lower back, my physio sorted it in one session.

Unless your lower back pain is shooting down the leg or stopping you from using the loo, it is more of an inconvenience than a serious issue.

Yoga is fantastic for developing flexibility and strength in the lower back.

I have found that it stretches areas that nothing else hits, and has made a huge difference with things like back pain.

There are great DVDs from the yoga zone if you are really just too embarassed to go.

 

[C-Bass]

I would see a physio. A good sports physio is better for BBing than a chiropracter IMHO.

The last time I hurt/strained my lower back, my physio sorted it in one session.

Unless your lower back pain is shooting down the leg or stopping you from using the loo, it is more of an inconvenience than a serious issue.

Yoga is fantastic for developing flexibility and strength in the lower back.

I have found that it stretches areas that nothing else hits, and has made a huge difference with things like back pain.

There are great DVDs from the yoga zone if you are really just too embarassed to go.

It sounds as if you live in the UK. It is very difficult to find a sports specific doctor without being passed around the city. I have played rugby for 10 years (professionally) and I have never experienced something like this. Maybe I will talk to our team doctor about it.

Thank you for your input, I just needed to hear that from someone ( go to a doctor for chrissakes!)

Cheers,

C-Bass

 

[Tatyana]

It sounds as if you live in the UK. It is very difficult to find a sports specific doctor without being passed around the city. I have played rugby for 10 years (professionally) and I have never experienced something like this. Maybe I will talk to our team doctor about it.

Thank you for your input, I just needed to hear that from someone ( go to a doctor for chrissakes!)

Cheers,

C-Bass

Yes I live in the UK.

The City sounds like London, but you have a US flag.

I do know of some great physios and sports doctors very close to London if that is where you are.

 

[C-Bass]

Yes I live in the UK.

The City sounds like London, but you have a US flag.

I do know of some great physios and sports doctors very close to London if that is where you are.

I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota. But I play rugby for a team in Japan (Kobe) (it is the off-season for us)

Thank you for the offer though!

Cheers,
MP

 

[Tatyana]

I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota. But I play rugby for a team in Japan (Kobe) (it is the off-season for us)

Thank you for the offer though!

Cheers,
MP

If you think about it logically, playing professional rugby for 10 years and you only have a few issues with your back now?

Lucky.

I am sure you team doctor could hook you up.

Did you play American football before?

Which do you think is a tougher sport?

 

[C-Bass]

If you think about it logically, playing professional rugby for 10 years and you only have a few issues with your back now?

Lucky.

I am sure you team doctor could hook you up.

Did you play American football before?

Which do you think is a tougher sport?

I have had a couple dings and dents but nothing major (knee surgeries, had both my collar-bones broke etc. I play hooker and have been blessed with good genes I guess.

I never played American Football, I was an All American Wrestler in college though. Rugby is by far a tougher sport than football but wrestling beats rugby hands down.
I guess I am in the minority on this web-blog as I am not a body-builder...just a gifted athlete who is happy with the way I look.

 

[needtogetaas]

Sounds like back pumps to me. Is not uncommon even on test. Increased blood flow and volume to the back. AAS will do this. I bet it goes away when you come off cycle.

 

[Tatyana]

I have had a couple dings and dents but nothing major (knee surgeries, had both my collar-bones broke etc. I play hooker and have been blessed with good genes I guess.

I never played American Football, I was an All American Wrestler in college though. Rugby is by far a tougher sport than football but wrestling beats rugby hands down.
I guess I am in the minority on this web-blog as I am not a body-builder...just a gifted athlete who is happy with the way I look.

Me too, just about 6" too short

BBing is the perfect 'sport' for short-asses

Not all BBers have body perception dysmorphia, although there are times I wonder.

 

[blackthunder]

It sounds as if you live in the UK. It is very difficult to find a sports specific doctor without being passed around the city. I have played rugby for 10 years (professionally) and I have never experienced something like this. Maybe I will talk to our team doctor about it.

Thank you for your input, I just needed to hear that from someone ( go to a doctor for chrissakes!)

Cheers,

C-Bass

my man!!!
love to see ruggers on the board!!

I spent 2 seasons with Newcastle (got there about the same time as Mr. Wilkinson, needless to say when you play the same position as him, you will be out of a job soon)

I used to have the worse back spasms. I had to have one of the team physios work on my 3 times a week. The only way I was finally "cured" was I took a full year off from playing but would still see the doc 2 to 3 times a week.

I have not played a serious game in 4 years, but still catch a few bad episodes of the spasms every now and again.

Other than the back, I have a crooked nose, and like Tatyana said, I feel lucky thats all thats wrong with me!!!

 

[jroc86]

Thank you for the reply. The only question that I would have is "when to ice and when to use heat" If there is swelling in the area (which there is) wouldn't you want to ice as much as possible. I always thought that you would want heat when you are trying to stretch out the affected area

As for stretching, I know that is probably one of the reasons why that my lower back is astight as a virgins honey-pot. I am going to add "active stretching to my routine once I start working out again so this doesnt happen again.
Again, thank you for your input

p.s. how do you take a yoga class without being the laughing stock of the entire gym. I mean no disrespect but it seems like 99.9% of yoga classes are these little pliable women......

Firstly, yes it is odd doing yoga ... and youll look/feel like a gorilla in a room with people giving you funny looks. But for me, even going 3 times a month does wonders for tough spots like my back, rotator cuffs etc. Anymore and I seem to lose all my strength and explosiveness.

That said, icing an injury is good in 2 ways.
#1- While icing theres an antiinflammatory and numbing effect

#2- immediatley after icing local vasodialtion occurs and they frozen area is flooded with oxygenated blood, thus having a positive influence on tissue repair and the removal of cellular waste products.

TBH icing, then having a hot shower, a light stretch, then going to bed is probably the ideal protocol.

 

[H.I.T.MAN07]

Had the samething the other day,really tight back pump that did not let up. Turns out I was really dehydrated. Still had a good workout though

 

[C-Bass]

Firstly, yes it is odd doing yoga ... and youll look/feel like a gorilla in a room with people giving you funny looks. But for me, even going 3 times a month does wonders for tough spots like my back, rotator cuffs etc. Anymore and I seem to lose all my strength and explosiveness.

That said, icing an injury is good in 2 ways.
#1- While icing theres an antiinflammatory and numbing effect

#2- immediatley after icing local vasodialtion occurs and they frozen area is flooded with oxygenated blood, thus having a positive influence on tissue repair and the removal of cellular waste products.

TBH icing, then having a hot shower, a light stretch, then going to bed is probably the ideal protocol.

That makes perfect sense. I have taken the last 5 days off of training (driving me nuts but it is for the better) and still seeing the chiro. I ahve been icing for 20 mins on and an hour off. I accidentally iced too long a couple days ago and got a little frost-bite!

I think that it could be a combination of a lower back "pump" and a slight muscle pull. My massage therapist said that it was swollen on one side and she really had to work to get all of the knots out.

I hope it get's better soon or I am going to go stir crazy!

C-Bass

 

[halfcenturian]

Dude.......... you got back pumps from the oral AAS. period. the end.

 

[C-Bass]

Dude.......... you got back pumps from the oral AAS. period. the end.

Um, that is incorrect. Sustanon 250 is an injectable, not an oral. Do your research before you flame someone. Don't be ignorant, it dumbs-down the entre site.

 

[centy]

Um, that is incorrect. Sustanon 250 is an injectable, not an oral. Do your research before you flame someone. Don't be ignorant, it dumbs-down the entre site.

lawl, yeah. WTF Half?! Do your fkin research.

 

[halfcenturian]

Um, that is incorrect. Sustanon 250 is an injectable, not an oral. Do your research before you flame someone. Don't be ignorant, it dumbs-down the entre site.

Not flaming you sir. You are awfully new to be shooting YOUR yap off. I suggest you WATCH YOUR TONE NOOB!

 

[Mavafanculo]

Um, that is incorrect. Sustanon 250 is an injectable, not an oral. Do your research before you flame someone. Don't be ignorant, it dumbs-down the entre site.

hey cheech, we dont talk to other members that way on this site anymore. especially not respected vets.

you want to play in the schoolyard theres other sites you might be more comfortable at.

you can disagree without being disagreeable. refute the points you disagree with, dont attack the author.

take a day off and come back with a better attitude.

 

[halfcenturian]

My bad... I misread sustanon as stanabol - Duh. I must be getting old.
Still Mr. C-bass was a bit rude. I guess turn around is fair play. Karma in action. Anyway let's move on, shall we.

 

[bigmusclehead]

My bad... I misread sustanon as stanabol - Duh. I must be getting old.
Still Mr. C-bass was a bit rude. I guess turn around is fair play. Karma in action. Anyway let's move on, shall we.

nicely done bro respect for others is a great way to me karma to u.

 

[C-Bass]

nicely done bro respect for others is a great way to me karma to u.

No harm no foul. I am an inexperienced NOOB and this was my first post. I was just looking for some guidance from more astute elitefitness posters
. Let's put it behind us and a thousand apologies for my flare-up.

Karma x 10.

Cheers,

CB

 

[tab1]

Good chiro should do it. Deep tissue massage may also help. Ice for the inflamation. Biofreeze to rub on during workouts if it bothers you. I don't use a belt no matter what the weight, belt always did more harm than good with me.

 

[halfcenturian]

No harm no foul. I am an inexperienced NOOB and this was my first post. I was just looking for some guidance from more astute elitefitness posters. Let's put it behind us and a thousand apologies for my flare-up.

Karma x 10.

Cheers,

CB

Thanks ..... I think

 

[biggernu]

i had this on my last cycle. basiclly my back felt like it was fucked up, but my lower back was so pumped up, it was pulling on my spine and felt like i was on pins and needles, i couldn't bend over hardly at all, and if i did and stood up it hurt like hell. It will go away once the test starts to clear out of you. you can goto a chiro and get electro and heat therapy, but it will come back.

 

[needtogetaas]

No harm no foul. I am an inexperienced NOOB and this was my first post. I was just looking for some guidance from more astute elitefitness posters
. Let's put it behind us and a thousand apologies for my flare-up.

Karma x 10.

Cheers,

CB

Very respectful of you bro. Looks like you made a good turn around. Welcome to the team.

 

[C-Bass]

So I finally got "diagnosed" by getting an MRI on my lower back. Bulging disc. Very treatable with corrective exercise and rest. I am tailoring back my current cycle and allowing my back to fully heal.

I am glad that it wasnt herniated but at least I know what I am battling.

Thanks for all of the help. I think that I am going to get a Platinum Membership to reap the full rewards of the useful advice on this website.