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da_man

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Ok I KNOW I am about to get an ass pounding from the vets for this cycle, yet I am looking for some help. Stats: 6'0 230 18%BF 2nd cycle of:

Week 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex Every Day
Week 1 to 16: 0.25 Anastrozol Every Other Day
Week 1 to 12: 300-500ius of HCG every 5th day
Week 1 to 6: 30mg of Danabol Every Day
Week 1 to 10: 600mg of EQ Per Week
Week 1 to 10: 750mg of Test E Per Week
Week 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid Every Day
Week 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid Every Day
Week 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid Every Day
(Cycle was created by source)

Diet:moderately clean but drastically improving
PCT: Tight

Here's the thing...not that impressed with the gains? WTF Thought I would be a monster with this yet just so-so gains. I know diet has alot to do with it and as I mentioned before is good not great. So whats the deal?

What I am looking for is a cycle that makes my muscle feel like they are ripping out of my skin, stays hard, and makes some significant gains. At this time some bf loss would be great but not that important. Would really like to find a vet mentor or a trainer with AAS knowledge where I live I (San Diego) to help take it to the next level. So with that told...let the ass pounding began
 
Trash the Dbol and do Beast instead, if you want your muscles to rip out of your skin.
 
You know what's proven? Lifting more. Works every time.

As far as that cycle ...it proves you haven;t been reading THIS board.
 
Nelson,

It is true that I haven't been reading this board as much as someone like you who has been on here forever, yet I was hoping for advice instead of blasting. I lift like a monster in the gym 2-3 hours a day and there are days that I can barely move. I have read that you are a trainer for higher and hope that its not this kind of advice you dispense (no offense). There are many "experts" on this site with all kinds of cycle advice, yet with out knowing these people how do you know what works/correct and whats not?
 
da_man said:
Nelson,

It is true that I haven't been reading this board as much as someone like you who has been on here forever, yet I was hoping for advice instead of blasting. I lift like a monster in the gym 2-3 hours a day and there are days that I can barely move. I have read that you are a trainer for higher and hope that its not this kind of advice you dispense (no offense). There are many "experts" on this site with all kinds of cycle advice, yet with out knowing these people how do you know what works/correct and whats not?
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there is a problem.. are you lifting for stamina?? strength?? or muscle growth??

2-3 hours?? no wonder you aren't growing in size...
 
Nelson Montana said:
You know what's proven? Lifting more. Works every time.

As far as that cycle ...it proves you haven;t been reading THIS board.
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Prone to agree with Nelson on this one.
 
da_man said:
Nelson,

It is true that I haven't been reading this board as much as someone like you who has been on here forever, yet I was hoping for advice instead of blasting. I lift like a monster in the gym 2-3 hours a day and there are days that I can barely move. I have read that you are a trainer for higher and hope that its not this kind of advice you dispense (no offense). There are many "experts" on this site with all kinds of cycle advice, yet with out knowing these people how do you know what works/correct and whats not?
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The amount of anti e's is insane. Nolva and clomid are useless drugs which will hold back gains and your dex can be cut in half -- maybe quarters. WAY too much HCG. With as much T and EQ and dbol as you're taking, you should be growing like a weed if you're training as hard as you say -- unless you aren't sleeping or eating. Or the gear is fake/underdosed.

I have a client right now who is on 200 mgs of test and 200 mgs of Primo -- you know, the dosage that isn;t supposed to do anything and doesn;t kick in for 6 weeks. It's been one month, the scale is up 8 pounds and he's hard as granite. You can;t tell me you can;t grow on a tiny bit of gear if the diet and training aren;t in order. With over a gram a week, and no gains, something is very, very wrong.
 
Nelson,

Thanks for the help. What type/dosage of a cycle would work if I was looking to build size and lose some bf on the way?
 
RxHealthDrugs said:
Just a reminder

Don't forget your HCG

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:FRlol::FRlol::FRlol: Are you serious he ran HCG his whole cycle....

Bro Keep it simple.... Like it was said above to many Ai's can inhibit your gains, remember muscle is made up of water and Ai's reduce water retention. I like to run proviron instead of Ai's. Keep the Ai's on hand but proviron works 2 fold for me makes me hard as a rock in both muscles and my wood at the same time it binds to the estrogen receptor and keeps the water weight in balance. Are you running any supplements? Try Omegas amplify02 get large amounts of protien both raw and in suppliment form and one thing I feel is very important is sleep anyone who want to grow should be getting atleast 8 hr a night. I would also do a search on the 5x5 training program. Last but not least get some gear from another source just to compare results. www.thesourcecheck.com
wk 1-5 D-bol 30mgs ed
wk 1-12 Proviron 37.5mgs ed (thats 1 and 1/2 tabs at 25mgs)
wk 1-12 Test Cyp or Enth 1ml e3d (atleast 200mgs per ml upto 300mgs per ml)
wk 5-12 HCG 500iu wk
PCT
wk 14-18 20mgs Nolvadex
wk 14-18 PP Test Recovery Stack
PM Needto for a discount code on the test recovery stack...

Ok good luck bro...
 
Besides the issues with the cycle, I also want to echo that:

If you are spending more than 60 min in the gym you are probably overtraining.

We also haven't heard anything about diet.

Do you know how many calories you are eating a day? Grams of protein, carbs, fat?

When people don't know how to train or eat correctly, you had might as well flush your drugs down the toilet.

Or be happy with being the ever expanding and contracting man (that's on an off cycle).
 
Yea 2 hours lifting and 1 hour cardio is ridiculous! So many people think they should lift for hours and I don't get it. If your diet is pretty tight and you are lifting with high intensity and short rest you will barely need to do cardio. Maybe a little on non workout days or 20-30 minutes after your workout or in the mornings.
Eat a shitload of protein, moderate carbs, and healthy fats. Don't complicate things and don't overtrain. That is my 2 cents and it's been working for me ever since I cut my volume down and upped the intensity. Now I'm rambling, sorry.
Plus my current cycle helps too, :biggrin:
1-10 Test Cyp 400mg wk
6-11 Anavar 40mg ed
adex .5 e3d
 
what week are you on? how may calories? you should be eating atleast 4500+ calories a day at ur weight

test dont even do a thing for me until about 6 weeks or so...eq is subtle it can be worthless...your estrogen supps are to much..


1-15 test 750 ew
1-14 eq 600 ew
hcg 500iu ed last 10 days of cycle
adex .25 eod if needed

pct
nolva 40 7 days
nolva 20 14 days

thats all you need to do

if your eating and training everythign will fall into place
 
At 230lb your basal metabolic rate is on the order of 2,500 calories per day. Training 3 hours a day is another 2,000 calories. To grow you need to add 500 calories a day for every lb you want to gain in a week. On your cycle, 2lb a week should have been easily attainable so were you eating 5,500 calories/day?

Probably no and that's probably why you were dissapointed.

Pretty much all the responses here have been on target; there is no need to train 3 hours a day. You're trying to get bigger, not compete in the olympics. No single workout should go over 90 minutes in length.

Lift 3 or 4 days a week. When you do lift, go heavy and make sure each major muscle group has at least 48 hours rest before being worked out again. Go for cardio 2 or 3 days a week; concentrate on interval training and you will burn fat while preserving more muscle. For instance, jump rope for a 20 count, rest 30-60 seconds and jump for a 30 count. Rest again and keep increasing the count by 10 all the way to 100. Then start reducing it by 10 until you're all the way back down to 20.

On another day run wind sprints, if you can get to a high school track, run all out for 100 yards (the straight portion of the track) then walk around the curve and sprint the next straight section). See how long you can keep that up (it won't be anywhere near 60 minutes).

Give yourself 1-2 days off a week just to recover. Eat 4,000-4,500 calories a day when bulking (remember the shorter workouts) and 2,500-3,000 calories a day when cutting. At 6' 230lb you're already a big boy so work on on reducing that BF to single digits and get some definition. Stay close to the zone diet guidelines (30% calories from protein, 30% from fat and 40% from carbs) and you can't go too wrong.
 
da_man said:
Ok I KNOW I am about to get an ass pounding from the vets for this cycle, yet I am looking for some help. Stats: 6'0 230 18%BF 2nd cycle of:

Week 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex Every Day
Week 1 to 16: 0.25 Anastrozol Every Other Day
Week 1 to 12: 300-500ius of HCG every 5th day
Week 1 to 6: 30mg of Danabol Every Day
Week 1 to 10: 600mg of EQ Per Week
Week 1 to 10: 750mg of Test E Per Week
Week 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid Every Day
Week 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid Every Day
Week 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid Every Day
(Cycle was created by source)

Diet:moderately clean but drastically improving
PCT: Tight

Here's the thing...not that impressed with the gains? WTF Thought I would be a monster with this yet just so-so gains. I know diet has alot to do with it and as I mentioned before is good not great. So whats the deal?

What I am looking for is a cycle that makes my muscle feel like they are ripping out of my skin, stays hard, and makes some significant gains. At this time some bf loss would be great but not that important. Would really like to find a vet mentor or a trainer with AAS knowledge where I live I (San Diego) to help take it to the next level. So with that told...let the ass pounding began
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your cycle is fine but dont use the nolva unless you start getting gyno. then you can either use the nolva or up the adex.

you are not gaining because you are not eating enough (probably protein) and or are not training hard enough. try eating 3g of protein per lb of bw per day while on.
 
Excellent advice to all that posted,I can't think of anything to add except increase your training intensity,45min to 1 hr is plenty,don't drag in the gym,bust your a$$ and get out of there,Try adding some of omega's products from AGX in my banner below if that doesn't set you on fire-Nothing will!


RADAR
 
Nelson Montana said:
The amount of anti e's is insane. Nolva and clomid are useless drugs which will hold back gains and your dex can be cut in half -- maybe quarters. WAY too much HCG. With as much T and EQ and dbol as you're taking, you should be growing like a weed if you're training as hard as you say -- unless you aren't sleeping or eating. Or the gear is fake/underdosed.

I have a client right now who is on 200 mgs of test and 200 mgs of Primo -- you know, the dosage that isn;t supposed to do anything and doesn;t kick in for 6 weeks. It's been one month, the scale is up 8 pounds and he's hard as granite. You can;t tell me you can;t grow on a tiny bit of gear if the diet and training aren;t in order. With over a gram a week, and no gains, something is very, very wrong.
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I couldn't have said this better! And after years of "fumbling", I've learned that more isn't MORE... I know it's hard to get over the practice of doing more AAS to try to get more gains, it's a mental mind-fuk... but people would be shocked to find out how far they can go with much much less AAS (provided that they eat, train, and sleep right!)
 
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