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al420 said:
You are bigger now b/c you put in your time doing the proper barbell work. Drop set's would not have build a good base - right?

My gear riding comment was for the typical EF user. Small, weak, no plan in the gym or kitchen... but on a Gram of Test and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - (cause that is the new hot anabolic androgenic steroids yo)

While our goals may differ we train/live relativly the same.

BTW - I do your ab routine as do several people in Texas that wanted to know how I got such "big" abs... So thanks!

cool, sorry that I took that personally, on here its hard to tell when someone is taking a personal shot at you..and it happens a lot to me
I do agree that the heavy stuff built the base, but the "bodybuilding" type routines I have seen and used also build strength as well, just not as much as the powerlifting and bill starr type of programs
glad the ab thing works for you, I would hate to have to do it any other way... :)
 
To the original poster first of all, nothing you posted is "embarassing". Where you want to be is a goal and where you came from should be a source of pride.

You're not going to grow if you don't eat, end of discussion. If the scale isn't moving, then you aren't eating enough, no matter how much you "think" you eat.

At this stage in the game, you need to get better at big lifts. I wouldn't train with over 8 reps on a compound lift unless it is a back-off set at the end. When I say get stronger, I don't mean you need to lift a 1RM every day. You do need a routine that fosters consistent progress on big lifts in a 4-12 rep range. There really is no such thing as a "bodybuilding routine".....honestly, I can cringe when I see those words thrown around.

I can and will tell you that guys at your stage in the game generally make zero progress training to get sore, training for a pump, doing a new "routine" every week, and just blindly throwing 5 lbs of shit in a 10lb bag with no plan for progression.

A routine is not magic, it is a way to foster progress and is no more than a snap-shot in time (what works from Nov-Dec probably won't work from Jan-Mar and so on and so forth). You need a progress-oriented mindset though. Weight/Sets/Reps are variables to manipulate in order to guage progress.

It doesn't matter if you do 4 reps or 6 or 8 or 10 to be honest. Personally, I think 4-8 on compound lifts (maybe 8-12 on iso crap) is easier to progress with for most people....but if you're not doing pure neural work (max singles, doubles, and triples) and you're not doing muscle endurance work (12+ reps) then you should grow getting a better squat/bench/deadlift/military press/barbell row and getting better at chins and dips all in the 4-8 rep range so long as you eat enough.

Basically, if you squat 225 x 6 today and a year from now you squat 350 x 6 you're gonna be bigger in a year, there is no way around it provided you eat to caloric excess on a daily basis. That is how getting stronger is a way to grow. You've got a constant (the squat and we'll leave reps as a constant for the example).....you've got variables (food intake/weight used). Do the math and it should lead to a bigger and incidentally stronger you.

As far as a routine, just make progress. If you want something a little different that what you were doing, fine, just don't forget that progress is what matters.

Maybe....

Monday:

Flat Bench: 4 x 4-6 and a backoff set of 8-12
Incline Dumbells: 3x12
Barbell Curl: 4x6 and a backoff set of 8-12
Hammer Curl: 3x10

Tuesday:

Back Squat: 5x5 and a backoff set of 8-12
Front Squat: 3x8
Some shit for calves and abs

Thursday:
Military press :5x5 and a backoff of 8-12
Close-Grip Bench: 5x5 and a backoff of 8-12
Skullcrushers: 3x10-12

Friday:
Deadlift: 4x6
Barbell Rows: 4x8
Chins: 3 x as many as you can do

Thats just an example....but the point is to make progress on big lifts and EAT, not to clutter your routine with useless fluff and iso-work at this stage in the game. Whatever you want to call it..."bodybuilding", "powerbuilding", "powerlifting", "workin' out", I don't care, lol....just get better at it over time and that is all that matters. you should seriously grow and grow for a long time on a Bill Starr-style workout, though. Too many people have and too many people continue to for you to think you've done it right and are really stalled. Change a bit if you want, but it is all the same man, progressive overload and consistency and eating......if the 5x5 didn't work out for you, a change will likely lead to you being plateaued at this point again if you don't patch the hole (you either eat like shit, lift like shit, or both, lol)....seriously, man, I say this to encourage, not discourage. It's all the same shit when you read through the lines. If you're not adding 5 more lbs or at least 1 more rep the next workout, then you either did it long enough and need an adjustment, or more likely given your post, you did it wrong and need to use smarter weight selection and be more patient and/or eat more.

In my buddy Al's defense, what he is talking about is the average plateaued gym rat. Guys like that NEED to get strong at squats, pulls, and presses. If you look at most plateaued gym rats, their workouts usually consist of the "2-man Bench Press" and then an endless array of chest machines and flyes on Mon, lat pulldowns with 37 different attachments On Tues,and a curl and pressdown -fest to end the week, and they seem to all have 160lb geek bodies. They post on a board for "cycle advice" and take some gear and blow up to a whole whopping 170lbs, then stop taking the gear and because they have no clue how to train and eat go back down to 160lbs until their next cycle.

Lift big, eat big, and grow big.....if you want a BB as an example, Ronnie Coleman did it throughout his whole career.
 
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Nice post BiggT :artist:

BiggT said:
To the original poster first of all, nothing you posted is "embarassing". Where you want to be is a goal and where you came from should be a source of pride.

You're not going to grow if you don't eat, end of discussion. If the scale isn't moving, then you aren't eating enough, no matter how much you "think" you eat.

At this stage in the game, you need to get better at big lifts. I wouldn't train with over 8 reps on a compound lift unless it is a back-off set at the end. When I say get stronger, I don't mean you need to lift a 1RM every day. You do need a routine that fosters consistent progress on big lifts in a 4-12 rep range. There really is no such thing as a "bodybuilding routine".....honestly, I can cringe when I see those words thrown around.

I can and will tell you that guys at your stage in the game generally make zero progress training to get sore, training for a pump, doing a new "routine" every week, and just blindly throwing 5 lbs of shit in a 10lb bag with no plan for progression.

A routine is not magic, it is a way to foster progress and is no more than a snap-shot in time (what works from Nov-Dec probably won't work from Jan-Mar and so on and so forth). You need a progress-oriented mindset though. Weight/Sets/Reps are variables to manipulate in order to guage progress.

It doesn't matter if you do 4 reps or 6 or 8 or 10 to be honest. Personally, I think 4-8 on compound lifts (maybe 8-12 on iso crap) is easier to progress with for most people....but if you're not doing pure neural work (max singles, doubles, and triples) and you're not doing muscle endurance work (12+ reps) then you should grow getting a better squat/bench/deadlift/military press/barbell row and getting better at chins and dips all in the 4-8 rep range so long as you eat enough.

Basically, if you squat 225 x 6 today and a year from now you squat 350 x 6 you're gonna be bigger in a year, there is no way around it provided you eat to caloric excess on a daily basis. That is how getting stronger is a way to grow. You've got a constant (the squat and we'll leave reps as a constant for the example).....you've got variables (food intake/weight used). Do the math and it should lead to a bigger and incidentally stronger you.

As far as a routine, just make progress. If you want something a little different that what you were doing, fine, just don't forget that progress is what matters.

Maybe....

Monday:

Flat Bench: 4 x 4-6 and a backoff set of 8-12
Incline Dumbells: 3x12
Barbell Curl: 4x6 and a backoff set of 8-12
Hammer Curl: 3x10

Tuesday:

Back Squat: 5x5 and a backoff set of 8-12
Front Squat: 3x8
Some shit for calves and abs

Thursday:
Military press :5x5 and a backoff of 8-12
Close-Grip Bench: 5x5 and a backoff of 8-12
Skullcrushers: 3x10-12

Friday:
Deadlift: 4x6
Barbell Rows: 4x8
Chins: 3 x as many as you can do

Thats just an example....but the point is to make progress on big lifts and EAT, not to clutter your routine with useless fluff and iso-work at this stage in the game. Whatever you want to call it..."bodybuilding", "powerbuilding", "powerlifting", "workin' out", I don't care, lol....just get better at it over time and that is all that matters. you should seriously grow and grow for a long time on a Bill Starr-style workout, though. Too many people have and too many people continue to for you to think you've done it right and are really stalled. Change a bit if you want, but it is all the same man, progressive overload and consistency and eating......if the 5x5 didn't work out for you, a change will likely lead to you being plateaued at this point again if you don't patch the hole (you either eat like shit, lift like shit, or both, lol)....seriously, man, I say this to encourage, not discourage. It's all the same shit when you read through the lines. If you're not adding 5 more lbs or at least 1 more rep the next workout, then you either did it long enough and need an adjustment, or more likely given your post, you did it wrong and need to use smarter weight selection and be more patient and/or eat more.

In my buddy Al's defense, what he is talking about is the average plateaued gym rat. Guys like that NEED to get strong at squats, pulls, and presses. If you look at most plateaued gym rats, their workouts usually consist of the "2-man Bench Press" and then an endless array of chest machines and flyes on Mon, lat pulldowns with 37 different attachments On Tues,and a curl and pressdown -fest to end the week, and they seem to all have 160lb geek bodies. They post on a board for "cycle advice" and take some gear and blow up to a whole whopping 170lbs, then stop taking the gear and because they have no clue how to train and eat go back down to 160lbs until their next cycle.

Lift big, eat big, and grow big.....if you want a BB as an example, Ronnie Coleman did it throughout his whole career.
 
al420 said:
My body can handle load b/c I condition for it. Not b/c I have super joints/tendons. I ice my elbows, warm up properly, roll out my hips/glutes/IT band/quads/hammys daily. I stretch for 20+ minutes daily. I do what it really takes to be big and strong.

Sorry , but the majority of the 'peeps' posting on this interweb site are RIDING the gear... period.

Vanity in lifting is dangerous, and makes very little practical sense.

Lack of strength is bullshit. Lazy, lack of gratitude for the opportunity to train, and just plain silly. Compete at something, but if you don't please step back a few steps. It is just not the same.

mate, cant train every day like u guys
 
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al420 said:
I am trying to help/save the original poster. How someone can find the fountain of youth (rippetoe) and still want to drink from a water fountain (drop sets) is beyond me.

He asked for advice. My advice was to stick with what was working. Add in some fluff work on Fridays or even have an 'arm' day on Saturday... fine.

man, i did'nt said that i wanna do drop sets and seriously my goals are different than you, i am in uni and after that, i'll get a 9-5 job. so there's no point for me to go to powerlifter things. coz at end of day, i'll sit on my arse and do accounting all day.
 
OMEGA said:
Longevity and looking good will favor the wise lifter who realizes that Body is like a Ferrari
Not a Yellow Construction Dump Truck that once broken STAYS BROKEN

And by the way if you think a Bodybuilder who lifts for the look and much lighter cant rip off someone head if needed, you should look me up :)

thanks man, thats wat i am trying to say.
 
needsize said:
what a stupid attitude, shows a lot of ignorance. I train like a bodybuilder, yet have posted strength vids on here that beat most guys on here that train as powerlifters(ie, 500lbs deadlift for 9 reps, totally raw, at a bodyweight of 210lbs)...
so I suppose the next comment would be that I am riding the gear, which is generally the cry of the jealous and/or ignorant. My deadlift vid was shot a few months after my first cycle, my first cycle being at age 27 after over 10 years of training...so unless steroids really are the miracle that the ignorant claim they are, then my results and lifts are the result of smart training, mostly as a bodybuilder, over a lot of years

niece :)
 
BiggT said:
To the original poster first of all, nothing you posted is "embarassing". Where you want to be is a goal and where you came from should be a source of pride.

You're not going to grow if you don't eat, end of discussion. If the scale isn't moving, then you aren't eating enough, no matter how much you "think" you eat.

At this stage in the game, you need to get better at big lifts. I wouldn't train with over 8 reps on a compound lift unless it is a back-off set at the end. When I say get stronger, I don't mean you need to lift a 1RM every day. You do need a routine that fosters consistent progress on big lifts in a 4-12 rep range. There really is no such thing as a "bodybuilding routine".....honestly, I can cringe when I see those words thrown around.

I can and will tell you that guys at your stage in the game generally make zero progress training to get sore, training for a pump, doing a new "routine" every week, and just blindly throwing 5 lbs of shit in a 10lb bag with no plan for progression.

A routine is not magic, it is a way to foster progress and is no more than a snap-shot in time (what works from Nov-Dec probably won't work from Jan-Mar and so on and so forth). You need a progress-oriented mindset though. Weight/Sets/Reps are variables to manipulate in order to guage progress.

It doesn't matter if you do 4 reps or 6 or 8 or 10 to be honest. Personally, I think 4-8 on compound lifts (maybe 8-12 on iso crap) is easier to progress with for most people....but if you're not doing pure neural work (max singles, doubles, and triples) and you're not doing muscle endurance work (12+ reps) then you should grow getting a better squat/bench/deadlift/military press/barbell row and getting better at chins and dips all in the 4-8 rep range so long as you eat enough.

Basically, if you squat 225 x 6 today and a year from now you squat 350 x 6 you're gonna be bigger in a year, there is no way around it provided you eat to caloric excess on a daily basis. That is how getting stronger is a way to grow. You've got a constant (the squat and we'll leave reps as a constant for the example).....you've got variables (food intake/weight used). Do the math and it should lead to a bigger and incidentally stronger you.

As far as a routine, just make progress. If you want something a little different that what you were doing, fine, just don't forget that progress is what matters.

Maybe....

Monday:

Flat Bench: 4 x 4-6 and a backoff set of 8-12
Incline Dumbells: 3x12
Barbell Curl: 4x6 and a backoff set of 8-12
Hammer Curl: 3x10

Tuesday:

Back Squat: 5x5 and a backoff set of 8-12
Front Squat: 3x8
Some shit for calves and abs

Thursday:
Military press :5x5 and a backoff of 8-12
Close-Grip Bench: 5x5 and a backoff of 8-12
Skullcrushers: 3x10-12

Friday:
Deadlift: 4x6
Barbell Rows: 4x8
Chins: 3 x as many as you can do

Thats just an example....but the point is to make progress on big lifts and EAT, not to clutter your routine with useless fluff and iso-work at this stage in the game. Whatever you want to call it..."bodybuilding", "powerbuilding", "powerlifting", "workin' out", I don't care, lol....just get better at it over time and that is all that matters. you should seriously grow and grow for a long time on a Bill Starr-style workout, though. Too many people have and too many people continue to for you to think you've done it right and are really stalled. Change a bit if you want, but it is all the same man, progressive overload and consistency and eating......if the 5x5 didn't work out for you, a change will likely lead to you being plateaued at this point again if you don't patch the hole (you either eat like shit, lift like shit, or both, lol)....seriously, man, I say this to encourage, not discourage. It's all the same shit when you read through the lines. If you're not adding 5 more lbs or at least 1 more rep the next workout, then you either did it long enough and need an adjustment, or more likely given your post, you did it wrong and need to use smarter weight selection and be more patient and/or eat more.

In my buddy Al's defense, what he is talking about is the average plateaued gym rat. Guys like that NEED to get strong at squats, pulls, and presses. If you look at most plateaued gym rats, their workouts usually consist of the "2-man Bench Press" and then an endless array of chest machines and flyes on Mon, lat pulldowns with 37 different attachments On Tues,and a curl and pressdown -fest to end the week, and they seem to all have 160lb geek bodies. They post on a board for "cycle advice" and take some gear and blow up to a whole whopping 170lbs, then stop taking the gear and because they have no clue how to train and eat go back down to 160lbs until their next cycle.

Lift big, eat big, and grow big.....if you want a BB as an example, Ronnie Coleman did it throughout his whole career.


thnks for that, firstly abt weight, its going up a bit slowly but its moving now i weigh abt 93.7 kg. mate, i am making progress but really slowly and got u where u comin frm. all i was trying to say is if a person gets stronger over core exercises than he should grow. i am not big guy but i can easily smash so called 'big guys' in my gym coz they never do basic core work like deads, rows, squats. 5x5 really helped me to get stronger over time. but at end of day, appearance matters over ability. if a person does not luk big, than is assumed that he is not strong.

anyways, thnks for that, really appreciate.

btw, started Max-OT five weeks ago and here my numbers
frm last week

squat : 95.5 * 5 reps
bench : 82.5 * 4 reps
deadlift : 97.5 *6 reps
rows : 67.5 * 4 reps
overhead dumbbell press: 55 * 6

now lukin than bigger than before and chicks dig it. hehe :)
 
Good luck with whatever you decide to do....as long as you know what your goals are and where you are going, then thats all that matters...at the end of the day, what matters is if you are satisfied with your body or you're not....who cares about what others think of you....as long as you're happy with the way you look then thats all that matters...
 
The_Alcatraz said:
Good luck with whatever you decide to do....as long as you know what your goals are and where you are going, then thats all that matters...at the end of the day, what matters is if you are satisfied with your body or you're not....who cares about what others think of you....as long as you're happy with the way you look then thats all that matters...

thanks bro!
 
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