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I did this a while ago. I did the one where you lay on your side, then on your back like mentioned in the first post.
Stupid question.. Is Epsom salt the same as Sea salt? I was told to use Sea salt.
While going through this, I felt like I was giving birth. Damn.. my stomach was cramping up bigtime. That was when I had to go on the toilet every few minutes and the stones were coming out. It was a little gross. I only did it once. I DID get stones out though. I looked at them with a flashlight. lol
The diet and stuff was'nt bad, just the shitting them out and cramping was suckified.
Stupid question.. Is Epsom salt the same as Sea salt? I was told to use Sea salt.
While going through this, I felt like I was giving birth. Damn.. my stomach was cramping up bigtime. That was when I had to go on the toilet every few minutes and the stones were coming out. It was a little gross. I only did it once. I DID get stones out though. I looked at them with a flashlight. lol
The diet and stuff was'nt bad, just the shitting them out and cramping was suckified.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313137&highlight=stones
^^^ That's one of my threads on it. Follow the link. The guy who originally posted it, Avenirup (sp?) does it ALL the time. He definately said Pure Sea salt. I have no idea what the difference is though.
^^^ That's one of my threads on it. Follow the link. The guy who originally posted it, Avenirup (sp?) does it ALL the time. He definately said Pure Sea salt. I have no idea what the difference is though.
Guvna said:
Good enough. I was just following directions. Good to know...
krishna
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LMAO.....Ya bro, I had to take a shower after everytime too because it was too raw.
With me, I've noticed that I feel better for 3-4 weeks after the cleanse (I've done it twice). Both times my allergies cleared up. Now was that from the cleanse? There's really no way to prove that. I mean I'm sure they would of went away eventually anyway. I think the fact that I feel better for a few weeks after each cleanse is because there is still stones present that move foward in your liver. Most testimonials from advocates of the cleanse report gradual improvement of chronic conditions such as acne, arthritis, etc. Each cleanse isn't a cure-all, but it will help toward overall gradual health improvement. I think a lot of the times these improvements are subtle and take time, and one day you realize that your symptoms are gone, but you weren't really paying attention because the changes were so subtle. I like what Guvna said: It's like getting your oil changed. The difference with humans is that after the pollutants are cleaned out, your body has the ability to repair damage unlike cars. This process takes time and is a gradual thing. The cleaner you keep your insides, the easier and more effecient it is for you body to make repairs and purify itself from chronic and other conditions.
With me, I've noticed that I feel better for 3-4 weeks after the cleanse (I've done it twice). Both times my allergies cleared up. Now was that from the cleanse? There's really no way to prove that. I mean I'm sure they would of went away eventually anyway. I think the fact that I feel better for a few weeks after each cleanse is because there is still stones present that move foward in your liver. Most testimonials from advocates of the cleanse report gradual improvement of chronic conditions such as acne, arthritis, etc. Each cleanse isn't a cure-all, but it will help toward overall gradual health improvement. I think a lot of the times these improvements are subtle and take time, and one day you realize that your symptoms are gone, but you weren't really paying attention because the changes were so subtle. I like what Guvna said: It's like getting your oil changed. The difference with humans is that after the pollutants are cleaned out, your body has the ability to repair damage unlike cars. This process takes time and is a gradual thing. The cleaner you keep your insides, the easier and more effecient it is for you body to make repairs and purify itself from chronic and other conditions.
wayneboard1
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SO is your butthole raw from all the wiping or from the crap being too acidic or what? Geesh.....I get that from just plain ol mexican food, this doesn't sound too good for me. I wonder if anyone will post up their results after following Krishnas link?
Mavy said:
You think that's scary? Try fasting all solid food for 2 weeks and watch all the mucoid sacs come out of your colon. Not to mention the black, putrified crap built up on your colon walls. Or do a parasite cleanse and watch all the creatures come out of you that have been taking up residence in your body. Now that is truely nasty and man it stinks.
I've never done the liver cleanse thing, but I'm going to now. My liver enzymes are up and I just bought the renew life liver cleanse system. I'm wondering if it would be too much to do both at the same time. I'm thinking I would just fast the whole day and the day before so I don't have to sift through my shit to find the stones.
wayneboard1
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Guvna said:
crap!......literally.
krishna said:
Some dead worms and little white creatures in my stool came out on the parasite cleanse. I've been to Ethiopia and other third world countries in the Army though. I could tell you some stories about what I've heard come out of people after they do a para cleanse at my health food store. I need to do it again because I went to Costa Rica for a surf trip awhile back and haven't done it since, I got pretty sick there. I'm going to Nicaragua in August.
The first time I did a cleansing fast some really weird stuff happened. I started getting headaches after 2 days, seeing flashing balls of light everywhere, my breath reaked and my tongue was white and greenish. There was so much stuff coming out of my skin I would feel greasy and nasty no matter how many showers I took. My nose was all runny and stuffed up too. After about 4 days those symptoms will go away as less chemicals and toxins leave the body. Then you actually start feeling really energized and the hunger goes away. My buddy just did it who took alot of LSD, shrooms, and X in the past and he said he started tripping at work while he was on his computer.
The freaky thing about cleansing is the mucoid sacks. It's putrified toxins inside a black rubbery material. I looked at pictures of them on the web and the stuff that came out of me looked exactly like it. Your body pacts poisons and toxins away in your colon in these sacs and the only way to get them out is to stop eating solid food and take some type of colon cleanse product to get your bowels going. When you haven't eaten in 7 days and you're still having a bunch of stuff coming out of you it is one heck of an eye opener. After seeing all that stuff come out of my body the first time I did it now I'll fast 2 times a year for 10-14 days for health and spiritual reasons. I'll take whey protein to keep my muscle, some fruit juice or veggie juice if I get really hungry, greens + every day, tons of water, a full body cleansing kit, and the lemon/maple syrup/cayenne pepper mixture in the "Master Cleanser" book. Garcina Cambogia/Hydroxycitric acid, helps with the hunger pains.
I can't believe you guys can't stop eating for one day! Come on, it's not all that hard, you just have to discipline your flesh a bit. Who's in charge? You, or your stomach?
I don't know what that guy glover is talking about as far as passing green stones from your intestines. I've been researching colon cleanses and fasting for years and I've never seen any information mentioning green stones in your intestines. There's alot of information out there on it too. I have also never seen green stones come out of me after not eating solid food for 14 days and taking the cleansing products, just mucoid sacks and black, putrified, nasty stuff that's stinks like hell.
krishna
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Some idiot also tried to say that your stomach and intestines make the stones from the salt, oil, and juice. There are several things wrong with that theory:
1. They've tested the stones and verified that they are made out of bile, cholesterol, and various forms of toxins and bacteria. You can test this yourself by heating up a stone in a pan. The bile and cholesterol will boil and leave a black stain. If you heat up some olive oil, grapefruit juice, and epsom salts together, this will not happen.
2. You're stomach and intestines break down food, not put it together. The idiot health professional who proposed this dumbass idea didn't even read the procedure correctly. He said that the magnesium from the salts would combine with the complex carbs you get from eating the grapefruit; this combined with the olive oil makes the green stones. First of all, you don't eat the grapefruit. There are little to no complex carbs (only simply sugars) that you get DRINKING the grapefruit JUICE. Therefore there would be no matrix to form any sort of stone.
3. You drink the epsom salts two hours before the oil/juice mixture on an empty stomach. With that said, the salts are already absorbed into your tissues, and don't mix with the oil emulsion.
4. People who have done the cleanse a number of times come to a point where no more stones come out. Does it make sense to say your body all of a sudden stops making the stones from the ingredients, or is it more feasible to say that there are no more stones in your liver?
5. They have found stones in cadavers and dissected livers and galbladders.
6. There are other reasons why that guy is a dumbass, but I can't think of them right now.
1. They've tested the stones and verified that they are made out of bile, cholesterol, and various forms of toxins and bacteria. You can test this yourself by heating up a stone in a pan. The bile and cholesterol will boil and leave a black stain. If you heat up some olive oil, grapefruit juice, and epsom salts together, this will not happen.
2. You're stomach and intestines break down food, not put it together. The idiot health professional who proposed this dumbass idea didn't even read the procedure correctly. He said that the magnesium from the salts would combine with the complex carbs you get from eating the grapefruit; this combined with the olive oil makes the green stones. First of all, you don't eat the grapefruit. There are little to no complex carbs (only simply sugars) that you get DRINKING the grapefruit JUICE. Therefore there would be no matrix to form any sort of stone.
3. You drink the epsom salts two hours before the oil/juice mixture on an empty stomach. With that said, the salts are already absorbed into your tissues, and don't mix with the oil emulsion.
4. People who have done the cleanse a number of times come to a point where no more stones come out. Does it make sense to say your body all of a sudden stops making the stones from the ingredients, or is it more feasible to say that there are no more stones in your liver?
5. They have found stones in cadavers and dissected livers and galbladders.
6. There are other reasons why that guy is a dumbass, but I can't think of them right now.
Guvna said:
I did the Nature's Secret Parasite cleanse originally but I'm not sure if they make it anymore. I'm using Renew Life cleansing products now and selling a ton at our health food store. I like them better because they are capsules and liquid extracts instead of hard tablets which can be harsh on the stomach when you are fasting. People are having great results. That's what my buddy took who started tripping at work. He lost about 3 inches on his waistline too. If you're bloated it's because you've got stuff packed away in there. I'm 32 years old, 5'10, 200lbs, and I have a 32 inch waist. I didn't get down that far until I started doing cleansing fasts.
As far as the colon cleanse goes you can go a few different ways. You can buy a full body detox kit like the First Cleanse from Renew Life or the Ultimate Cleanse from Nature's Secret which will do your whole body and your colon. They usually take about a month or so and you have to change your diet a bit, just follow the directions.
I like doing things the fastest and most efficient way so I came up with my own cleanse based on "The Master Cleanser" book. Your intestinal tract can't spend energy cleansing itself if it is constantly digesting and processing food which takes tons of energy. I'll fast solid food for 10-14 days, use the lemon juice/maple syrup/cayenne pepper drink in the Master Cleanser, do about 6 whey protein and water shakes a day, 3 Greens + servings, maybe fruit juice or veggie juice if I get really weak, drink tons of water, and take a cleansing kit, usually Renew Life Advanced Cleanse. I also take Garcinia Cambogia/HCA capsules and tea to stave off hunger pains. With the whey and the Greens + you can still function at work, if you did just the Master Cleanser drink you would have to take time off.
You will detox hard and fast so I hope you have some serious discipline if you do it the same way I do. Otherwise just take one of the kits and follow the directions. Generally with the kits you'll have to eat a ton of fiber, fruit, veggies, whole grains, and only fish, eggs, and protein shakes as a source of protein. Beef, chicken, lamb, goat, bisen, pork, etc... are harsher on the digestive system and take a long time to digest, especially pork. If you're going to fast you might want to do a 3 day first with just the Master Cleanser concoction, the whey protein, and the Greens + to see if you can handle fasting. I've only known a few people who have done a long fast like that without ever fasting before. BTW - Just about any health food store will have the Master Cleanser book. Take it with a grain of salt, the recipe for the cleanse drink is awesome, but he's way out there on other stuff.
RoiDrinker
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krishna said:
I would be very worried if large solid stones came out in case some of them stuck on its way out of the bladder or liver...what happens then ? Emergency room ? Is this procedure safe to do at home ?
How large were these stones ?
Also could you describe this sick feeling ?
Interesting thread.
krishna
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RoiDrinker said:
They don't go to your bladder. The epsom salts keep your liver tracks open so nothing gets stuck. I have read numerous reports and experiments with this flush, and there have been no known documentations of any complications. The sick feeling was kind of a nauseous dehydration. I drank water this time in the morning, and it didn't affect the flush at all. It made me feel better too.
Krishna, I did the liver cleanse over Memorial weekend since I had the day off on Monday. I got about 100 stones about 2-4 mm each, about half brown and half green. I think there were some larger ones too that sank (I think some of the stones were the calcified ones that can sink). I followed this very closely with the exception of a few sips of water to take a tylenol for a headache. It took a day or two to get my energy back, but a week later, I feel great. I'll do it again when my weekend schedule lightens up a bit. Thanks for the post.
krishna
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stfuhr said:
Goo job bro! Those sound like good results for a first flush. I've had plenty the size of marbles come out.
Word of caution for those who are going to do it: My friend did it again this weekend too, but forgot and drank milk in the morning (NO FAT!). Since this released bile to digest the fat in the milk, it took the built up bile pressure off of the liver. When He did the flush, there wasn't enough pressure in the liver, and he didn't get any stones out. His liver could simply release bile at it's normal rate to digest the olive oil. We've both learned that the pressure is a very crucial element in the flush.
gjohnson5
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I'm gonna try this.
For parasite clense should enema water be 105 farenheit?
I would like to do capsule garlic , aloe vera oil , apple cider vinegar, chlorophyll, florastor (or some probiotic) and maybe some coconut oil and lastly the clarkia drops in the enema water
Looking for high potency!
For parasite clense should enema water be 105 farenheit?
I would like to do capsule garlic , aloe vera oil , apple cider vinegar, chlorophyll, florastor (or some probiotic) and maybe some coconut oil and lastly the clarkia drops in the enema water
Looking for high potency!
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gjohnson5
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gjohnson5 said:
Whatever...
Anyway it's stupid to assume that a "parasite" = a worm. http://www.kitchendoctor.com/healthconditions/parasites/parasites.html
Most all micro organisms in the intestines are "parasites" http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C171466.html
Some of these are also known as intestinal flora. http://tuberose.com/Intestinal_Flora.html
This is why the directions say do a "parasite" clense and add some probiotics to the mixture. Probiotics will put the "good" parasites back into your gut. Florastor is a doctor recommended product for such a thing http://www.florastor.com/article.asp?id=1140
A stool test can determine if you have bad flora in your stomach or not. But anyway it seems like a very good idea to clean the instestines as best as you can before performing such a thing. So it seems as if you're not getting as much as you can out of the cre or treatment... However you see it
gjohnson5
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krishna said:
You don't seem to be doing your program correctly...
The middle not bottom of http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp says
Preparation
* You can't clean a liver with living parasites in it. You won't get out many stones, and will feel quite sick. Zap daily the week before, or get through the first three weeks of the parasite killing program before attempting a liver cleanse. If you are on a parasite maintenance program, do a high dose program the week before.
* Completing the kidney cleanse before cleansing the liver is also recommended. You want your kidneys, bladder and urinary tract in top working condition so they can efficiently remove any undesirable substances incidentally absorbed from the intestine as the bile is being excreted.
* Do any dental work first, if possible. Your mouth should be metal free and bacteria free (cavitations are cleaned). A toxic mouth can put a heavy load on the liver, burdening it immediately after cleansing. Eliminate that problem first for best results.
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krishna
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That recipe was the closest one I could find on the net to the one I got out of a book. You don't have to do anything but the cleanse. The one I did the first time told me to drink organic apple juice for 3 days prior to the flush. I have since done flushes without the apple juice and it has worked fine. Just make sure the day of the cleanse, you follow the instructions to the t, especailly not eating any fats that day.
gjohnson5
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krishna said:
I was looking for soemthing like this
http://www.total-cure.com/k/lemonade_diet_fast.html
SALT WATER FLUSH:
Drink an oral salt water enema upon arising. To do this, add 2 level teaspoons of uniodized sea salt to a quart of lukewarm water (the one-quart juice bottles in which most organic juices come work very well). Shake well, then drink the entire quart. It's also good to massage the colon as well. Make sure you use uniodized sea salt; regular or iodized salt will not have the same beneficial effect. This oral enema will flush out your entire digestive tract and colon from top to bottom, usually within an hour, prompting you to eliminate several times, clearing out the plaque and debris from the walls, and the parasites that have been living there.
This has one procedure for clearing the entire digestive trach , instead of putting suppositories up jimmy...
gjohnson5
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krishna said:
Got my clarkia UPS today
I'm gonna put 10 drops of clarkia in the below to do a bowel clense mix
First thing on an empty stomach
1. applce cider vinegar with mother
2. aloe vera
3. chlorophyll
4. garlic capsule (break it open)
5. acidophillus capsule (break open as well)
6. coconut oil
7. sea salt
Shake up in a shaker cup and chug
SlimJim300
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Finally found this thread...
I just did the cleanse. After 24 hours of hell (hunger, thirst, waking up at 3:00 AM and not getting back to sleep) I've finished my first cleanse. This morning I was waiting for the diarrhea that was to be expected, but just didn't feel a bowel movement coming whatsoever. I drank about 12 oz of water about an hour after the epsom salts, and sooner or later felt the urge. Diarhea came as expected. Still I was skeptical, and figured it was just the runs with nothing in it. When I finished (seemed like 10 minutes later) I was like 'well holy crap'. There were the green stones in it.
I think I'm gonna do this before every cycle now.
I just did the cleanse. After 24 hours of hell (hunger, thirst, waking up at 3:00 AM and not getting back to sleep) I've finished my first cleanse. This morning I was waiting for the diarrhea that was to be expected, but just didn't feel a bowel movement coming whatsoever. I drank about 12 oz of water about an hour after the epsom salts, and sooner or later felt the urge. Diarhea came as expected. Still I was skeptical, and figured it was just the runs with nothing in it. When I finished (seemed like 10 minutes later) I was like 'well holy crap'. There were the green stones in it.
I think I'm gonna do this before every cycle now.
SlimJim300
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Update:
It's 10:00 AM and I just took my third massive water-crap of the morning. Each had the stones. I don't have any fruit so I'm gonna start back by eating whole unsweetened yoghurt.
It's 10:00 AM and I just took my third massive water-crap of the morning. Each had the stones. I don't have any fruit so I'm gonna start back by eating whole unsweetened yoghurt.
jronimoe15
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How often do you do this liver cleanse??? sounds very interesting.
krishna said:
krishna
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I've done about 5 or 6. Each one makes me feel that much better. I have no more allergies whatsoever, I barely get acne anymore (and it used to be a serious problem), and when I do, it's very manageable and goes away fast. Everytime I'm in a slump I do one and it gives me the boost I need to take it to the next level. You'll probably lose a couple pounds when you do it, but I think it's mostly fat cause your metabolism burns hot trying to catch your body back up to speed afterward. I get leaner each time I do it.
Guvna
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gjohnson5
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I finally got to doing the liver clense part (because I wanted to do the parasite clense with the clarkia first) and yes I did see the stones this morning before I even did the 2 epsom salt doses in the morning.
I don't feel all that bad either I may repeat just to see if I get more out
I don't feel all that bad either I may repeat just to see if I get more out
I would have to agree,I asked my Dr. who is a surgeon and internal medicice Dr.,he said any type of "Colon,or intestinal cleansing"may do more harm than good,wether it "through the top,or the bottom",he said let your body work naturally,assuming you eat and drink healthy.I took his advice.glover said:
gjohnson5
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krishna said:
Well it's kind of a contradiction for a doctor who is a surgeon to tell his patient "let you body work naturally" If he believed that then why is he a surgeon? What's natural about surgery?
Hey krishna I did again yesterday and had a shitload of stones come out. So you have a believer in me.
jagerbombme
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well, i have lmfao reading parts of this 9 pager here. but i must say i am going to do this before my first cycle.
i suffer major constipation, once every three days, ibs, abdominal pain, severe gas, middle upper back pain. so wtf, im going for it next weekend.
as far as the parasite cleanse or colon cleanse, i thought the doctors could do a colon cleanse very quick for you on an outpatient non surgical procedure? am i wrong here? i would rather do that than eat and drink all this stuff. plus i've used lsd and schrooms hundreds of times, i'd be paranoid that i'd have a flashback even though i know lsd is supposedly completely out of you in 3 months and it's been 8 years.
thanks for the info krishna
i suffer major constipation, once every three days, ibs, abdominal pain, severe gas, middle upper back pain. so wtf, im going for it next weekend.
as far as the parasite cleanse or colon cleanse, i thought the doctors could do a colon cleanse very quick for you on an outpatient non surgical procedure? am i wrong here? i would rather do that than eat and drink all this stuff. plus i've used lsd and schrooms hundreds of times, i'd be paranoid that i'd have a flashback even though i know lsd is supposedly completely out of you in 3 months and it's been 8 years.
thanks for the info krishna
