Liver Helper Myth Destroyed

[Fonz]

I just couldn't resist saying that crack...........LOL

Fonz

 

[Krazzylad]

Ok stupid question, Is ALA controlled or can you buy it at GNC?

 

[Fonz]

Ok stupid question, Is ALA controlled or can you buy it at GNC?

Its a quasi-vitamin..Definately NOT controlled.
And yes, you can buy it at GNC.....

Fonz

 

[BIGIRONMEL]

Re: Re: Half Baked truths !!

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Sure. I'll be sure to call the neighbourhood shaman.....

Man, get off the soap-box. This is a scientific discussion NOT
the "Herbal products rule" thread.......

I would have liked to have seen Ghandi 's liver on some A50.......

Fonz

Didnt mean to start this strong But
Dream on Kid...No disrespect...But.Youre obviously not a well informed & most important an open minded person....& one of the many people who think the US is the only country on this planet...with any history. which is liken to someone living in a well & no feedback from the outside world....Sad but True

Even a simple Aspirin actually occurs naturally in nature..as willow bark,so is SILYMARIN
.There are100's of complete scientific evaluations & independent studies as well...Millions of $$ have gone into its research..& studies going back few 1000 years are available as Ayurveda.
The Doctors studying Ayuveda actually study same studies,entrance exams as one studies for M.B.B.S etc
for the 1st 3 years....then its 1 year of specialisation & then internship
..Just Cause US MNC companies cannot patent the drugs now cause of various factors & market it in the US doesnt go very far.eg Tumeric where they tried to steal & quietly patent the drug & tried to market is as their Own...got overturned in a US court..
Even Damn GNC had been approached just under a year but they tried to use The Company involved to steal & patent it under their Own brand Name..any guesses as to why.
I too used to be sceptical before I knew facts...
I know my shit well..have competed a decade ago at the World Amatuer Comp with many who have turned Pros now...& have people who actually own & run few frontline 100 million $ Pharmacuetical .companies as advisors on these Facts on effectivenes of Herbal Products..
.Ask around about Me ...at the Bolex,Ren,UG anywhere...before wanting to trash me again..PEACE...BIGMEL

 

[Fonz]

Re: Re: Re: Half Baked truths !!

Didnt mean to start this strong But
Dream on Kid...No disrespect...But.Youre obviously not a well informed & most important an open minded person....& one of the many people who think the US is the only country on this planet...with any history. which is liken to someone living in a well & no feedback from the outside world....Sad but True

Even a simple Aspirin actually occurs naturally in nature..as willow bark,so is SILYMARIN
.There are100's of complete scientific evaluations & independent studies as well...Millions of $$ have gone into its research..& studies going back few 1000 years are available as Ayurveda.
The Doctors studying Ayuveda actually study same studies,entrance exams as one studies for M.B.B.S etc
for the 1st 3 years....then its 1 year of specialisation & then internship
..Just Cause US MNC companies cannot patent the drugs now cause of various factors & market it in the US doesnt go very far.eg Tumeric where they tried to steal & quietly patent the drug & tried to market is as their Own...got overturned in a US court..
Even Damn GNC had been approached just under a year but they tried to use The Company involved to steal & patent it under their Own brand Name..any guesses as to why.
I too used to be sceptical before I knew facts...
I know my shit well..have competed a decade ago at the World Amatuer Comp with many who have turned Pros now...& have people who actually own & run few frontline 100 million $ Pharmacuetical .companies as advisors on these Facts on effectivenes of Herbal Products..
.Ask around about Me ...at the Bolex,Ren,UG anywhere...before wanting to trash me again..PEACE...BIGMEL

Me, not open-minded??

Sorry, but you're dead wrong.

And need I remind you that you're the one who
basically tried to say this whole thread was
utter nonsense.

Just a thought I'll leave you to ponder about.

Fonz

 

[Fonz]

Re: Re: Re: Half Baked truths !!

Didnt mean to start this strong But
Dream on Kid...No disrespect...But.Youre obviously not a well informed & most important an open minded person....& one of the many people who think the US is the only country on this planet...with any history. which is liken to someone living in a well & no feedback from the outside world....Sad but True

Even a simple Aspirin actually occurs naturally in nature..as willow bark,so is SILYMARIN
.There are100's of complete scientific evaluations & independent studies as well...Millions of $$ have gone into its research..& studies going back few 1000 years are available as Ayurveda.
The Doctors studying Ayuveda actually study same studies,entrance exams as one studies for M.B.B.S etc
for the 1st 3 years....then its 1 year of specialisation & then internship
..Just Cause US MNC companies cannot patent the drugs now cause of various factors & market it in the US doesnt go very far.eg Tumeric where they tried to steal & quietly patent the drug & tried to market is as their Own...got overturned in a US court..
Even Damn GNC had been approached just under a year but they tried to use The Company involved to steal & patent it under their Own brand Name..any guesses as to why.
I too used to be sceptical before I knew facts...
I know my shit well..have competed a decade ago at the World Amatuer Comp with many who have turned Pros now...& have people who actually own & run few frontline 100 million $ Pharmacuetical .companies as advisors on these Facts on effectivenes of Herbal Products..
.Ask around about Me ...at the Bolex,Ren,UG anywhere...before wanting to trash me again..PEACE...BIGMEL

Oh, and "kid"?????

Ok, all hail BIGMEL.......LOL

Even better:

" ...& have people who actually own & run few frontline 100 million $ Pharmacuetical .companies as advisors on these Facts on effectivenes of Herbal Products.."

We all know how reputable these advisors are.... LOL

Go back and say Hi to them from me......

Errr...........

.Ask around about Me ...at the Bolex,Ren,UG anywhere...before wanting to trash me again..PEACE...BIGMEL

Sure, don't let the door hit your big ass head on the way out.

Fonz

 

[qui01]

what all the postings on Lipoic Acid fail to mention is the fact that all of LA benefits are derived in all of the medline studies from R-enantiomer LA and a private person can not purchase R(+)ALA from anywhere in USA

all the commercially sold LA supplements are made from racemic mixture containing syntheric S(-)ALA and R(+)ALA

the problem according to studies on medline is that the S-enantiomer cancels out the benefits of the R-enantiomer

 

[jboldman]

I saw this study re insulin sensitivity but I did not realize that it was also regarding the antoxidant effect on the liver, two different things. Please point me to the study re the liver.

 

[rebeljuice]

SOunds interesting, now i only would like to know what
do you base your statement on?

 

[Spartacus]

Ok, I'm seeing more and more people using Milk thistle.

Well, guess what?

IT DOES NOTHING.

Even plain water is better than Milk Thistle.

So, STOP throwing your money away.

It won't even stem the tide, the liver will still
be bombarded by the 17 alpha-alkylated steroid molecule.
It doesn't even affect liver protection or
regeneration.
I'm not kidding here. Milk thistle won't do a thing.
So, if you use it alone with 17 alpha-alkylated's, you're more
than likely to get high liver enzyme values or WORSE
if using hepatoxic 17 alpha-alkylated's like Anadrol/Halo/winstrol
etc.....

These THREE are the ONLY ONES worth taking. PERIOD.

1. alpha lipoic acid at 600mg/day. THIS IS THE BEST. BAR NONE.

2. Tylers liver detox: Because it includes 3-4 substances
that would cost a fortune to buy by themselves. Not to
mention complicate matters b/c of availibility.(You'd
have to buy from several places at once)

3. Cranberry extract: NOT FOR THE LIVER. but
for the KIDNEYS. ALA and Tylers have little impact
on the kidneys. Cranberry however does.
Dosage: 3000mgs/day

4.(Up and coming) Calcium D-Glucarate: USED AFTER THE
CYCLE.(Some people use it during their cycle but
wether its effective or not is highly debatable).
This a relatively complicated substance to use and
needs to be researched before taking it.
Hard to find too.(Hence the up and coming denotation)

There are other more exotic ones for the liver but are EXPENSIVE
and I think irrelevant because ALA does everything they do.(And
more)

So, to finish up. possible combo's:

1. If price is an issue: ALA+cranberry
2. If not: ALA+Tylers+cranberry.

The reasson I picked ALA over tylers is while they both
protect the liver, ALA has MANY MORE benefits than
Tylers. Including, amazing anti-oxidant power,
increased glucose up-take, incresased oxygen up-take
by the heart etc.. etc..
It also RE-GENERATES damaged liver hepatocytes which
Tylers does NOT do.

These are the only effective ones. The rest I'd flush down
the toilet.
Remember, its your liver. Don't take any chances with
mythical rumours imparted years ago that just hapenned to
brainwash people and made them think that a substance was
actually effective when it really wasn't

The only anabolic androgenic steroids that Milk thistle would even have an impact on
would be Anavar. And that would be pushing it IMHO.

Fonz

good post
though in my opinion tyler's is just a chromed multi-vitamin
you have to take like 6 tyler's pills to get a measurable amount of calcium-d-glucarate

I'd go with r-ALA and calcium-d-glucarate