Liver Helper Myth Destroyed

[Fonz]

Fonz, you don't know jack shit. Milk thistle does protect the liver because it forms a protective coating around the liver cells preventing any toxins or harmful drugs from entering the cell and causing damage. It also regenerates new liver cells. I've been on 2000+ mg of juice for 3 months and my liver enzymes were normal, and I've been juicing for 10 yrs. And you tell me it doesn't do anything? Studies have shown that it does!!! Maybe you should learn some more

Jesus!! I have met morons in my time, but you definately
take the cake......

You got it BACKWARDS you marsupial!!!!!

ALA is the ONLY SUBSTANCE THAT CAN Re-generate
DAMAGED hepatocytes.

Milk Thistle CANNOT. It may be able to stem the tide
somewhat, BUT its ultimately the body that re-generates
(if it can) the damaged liver tissue.

Now, go back to bumsville and go shoot some more of that
fake test.

Fonz

 

[Fonz]

Re: I didn't read the whole thread, but i will answer you Gman

Fonz is right (usually is, it's dangerous to say always )

I used milk tistle at a rate of 4500 mgr/day (15 caps of 300 mgr).
Liver values where up (as already posted on EF some time ago).
Now when doing L-reduced Glutathione liver values come back to normal even when doing 600 mgr Winny (injected... give me a break) and 350 mgr Ox, so almost 1 gr of 17AA's. What more do you want.

So yes, milk tistle is a waste of money. It just isn't strong enough.

True some liver protectors might interfere with the efficiency of the roids taken at the same time, but not that much. If this worries you take a bit more roids to compensate but protecting your liver should be the main concern here.

LOL Jeff....

Thanks for giving some real world results.

Fonz

 

[Fonz]

Ok, that felt good........

I was getting cranky again.(Too much work).

Fonz

 

[Rio 2001]

Since Glutamine contributes significantly to increase glutatione levels, wouldn't it be a substance to be remembered when we talk about liver protection?

 

[Silent Method]

Ulter, interesting abstracts. However, again, they are far to limited to conclude that milk thistle is entirely without worth for purposes.


Fonz, you state...

It <milk thistle> may be able to stem the tide somewhat, BUT its ultimately the body that re-generates if it can) the damaged liver tissue.

This is a far cry from your former statements, "it <milk thistle> does nothing, milk thistle won't do a thing, and it won't even stem the tide."

I have still seen no evidence that milk thistle WILL NOT help. I have seen much evidence that says it MAY help. In regard to liver protection, milk thistle may be as effective as using a garden hose to put out a house fire, especially compared to something as effective as ALA. Well, if my house is on fire and I'm stuck inside, I'm going to use everything I got to "stem the tide." If milk thistle helps me live a little bit healthier, a little longer, even helps just a little tiny bit, I'm going to use it. Likewise, untill I see real evidence that it is entirely without worth I will not discourage its use.

 

[snake98]

wheres the best place to get tylers??

 

[athlete03]

word

 

[Delinquent]

Here is the only place I know to get it

AF Store

 

[bigokie]

ALA?

Not sure exactly what ala is?

 

[Ulter]

Silent Method, The studies are too limited? You're joking right? The University researchers went through "525 references were found in the databases, of which 84 papers were retained for closer examination and 36 were deemed suitable for detailed analysis." And found that the studies lending credence to the myth of Milk Thistle "are mostly outdated and underpowered, do not enable any valid conclusions". Now I don't know where you did your research but if these Physicians in Switzerland went through 525 references I would say their work was not limited at all. It was very thorough.
No one can say that MT has NO benefit, it may have a little, but so does fenel and a number of vitamins. The point is that MT will NOT help your liver values while you're using AS. Go ahead and try it yourself. I did. Jeff_rys did. It doesn't work.