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cozmokramer

cozmokramer

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Ok... everyone here knows about my experience and experimentation with LIPOKINETIX... I seem to be somewhat of the board expert on the supp... since I am getting PM after PM asking questions on the subject I thought I would post a sticky on the subject...

Here is my story of usage.... KEEP IN MIND THAT I SPENT TWO TRIPS TO THE HOSPITAL AND THAT I STILL USE THE STUFF (even though its not produced anymore...)

DOSAGE I TAKE
6 am - qty 2 - then do cardio & weights
12pm - qty 2 - lunch
5 pm - qty 1 - dinner

with this dosage i get pretty warm and sweat a bit as it raises my temperature to about 102.5 pretty consistently throughout the day.

well one day after my workout at 8am... I took one more... so my total for the day went to 6 pills... after a few hours my temperature rose to about 104... then to 105...

what an alergic reaction I had... red spots completely covered my body, face and all. I went to the doctor and they did a skin test to see what the substance was.... after about 6 to 8 hours in the hospital my temperature dropped from 105 to 101... THANK GOD!

THIS EXPERIENCE IS VERY COMMON FOR HIGH DOSES OF ** LIPOKINETIX ** THUS WHY ITS PRODUCTION HAS BEEN STOPPED. After many conversations with SYNTRAX and FDA members, it was determined that the USNIC ACID in the product causes all these reactions.

NOW many ask how can I still take it... well I monitor my temperature all day and take the dosage according to that reading. THIS PRODUCT DOES HAVE AMAZING CAPABILITIES... THE TRUTH IS THAT THE USNIC ACID MIMICS THE EFFECTS OF ** DNP **

If you don't know what DNP is I suggest doing a search on Elite for it... its the most potent fat burner that exists. LIPOKINETIX has the possibility to truly help burn fat... NOT JUST RAISE YOUR METABOLISM as many other fat burners do....
 
Thanks bro, I was just about to PM you! Just kiddin. But I do have a couple related questions: I've been researching usnic acid for a while now, and can't seem to find it. There are products that contain like 10mg, but lipokinetix had 100mg. Is 10mg enough to do anything? I know sodium usniate is usnic acid with sodium (duh!) but in 100mg sodium usniate how much actual usnic acid is there? Are the herbs standardized for like 5mg actual usnic acid (not sodium usniate) worth anything? Any ideas for us who don't have a 20 year ration of lipo stored up???
 
lipokinetix vs. adipokinetix

I'm wondering how adipo stacks up against lipo........anyone tried both?
Is lipokinetix available anywhere??? If not, do you think that adipo is the best way to go, or is there something better?
 
I have tried adipokinetix and didn't have any of those symptoms...what exactly are the similarities between the two, if any?
 
Lipo is off the market, and you better buy adipo while you still can. They've stopped producing it, so what's left on the market is all that's left. They're "reconfiguring" the formula, and taking the norephedrine out of it.
 
There really is nothing at all on the market that comes close to LIPOKINETIX except for DNP of course...

From the research I've done it looks like you need a dose of about 70 to 80 mg of USNIC ACID to have it effect your body... both POSITIVELY and NEGATIVELY...

Adipokinetix really does not have the great effects of lipo... its a standard BMR raiser like xenadrine and all the others... LIPOKINETIX doesn't fall into the same category
 
There's nothing wrong with usnic acid. It had been tested many times in the past and it was found that it may even act as a strong acticarcinogenic agent.

Russian researcher, Prof. G. F. Barbancik, in 1958 reported that "the tea fungus bacteria energetically suppress the growth of all other microbes."

As early as 1959, the Russian researcher I. N. Konovalow reports that the potent growth of the Tea Kwass directly suppresses the colonization and growth of other types of yeasts and bacteria.

It seems to be that around the late 1950's and early 1960's that the scientific community became aware of the cancer healing properties of the combucha. (the fungus)

Kombucha effects an outstanding detoxification of the organism.It produces a noticeable invigoration of the entire glandular system and enhancement of the metabolism." Dr. Sklenar reports "that he was able to treat successfully with the mushroom-tea: gout, rheumatism, arteriosclerosis, arthritis, dysbacteria, constipation, impotence, nonspecific draining, obesity, furunculosis, kidney stones, cholesterol, cancer and especially its early stages, etc."

A few years later in 1964, in the publication "Cancer diagnosis based on Blood and the Treatment of Cancer, Pre-cancerous Conditions, and other Metabolic Diseases with Kombucha and Coli-Preparations" Dr. Rudolph Sklenar of Oberhessen concludes that "it is able to produce an outstanding detoxification of the organism. Additionally, the glands are revitalized and the metabolism is considerably enhanced.

Additionally,the tea fungus is mentioned as an outstanding remedy which he considered to be a powerful agent for detoxifying the human body since it dissolves micro-organisms and also cholesterol. Some of his specific cancer treatments were based on the use of fermented tea for the balancing of intestinal flora. With the tea fungus he successfully treated gout, rheumatic conditions, arteriosclerosis, arthritis, dysbacteria, constipation, impotence, non-specific draining, obesity, furunculosis, kidney stones, cholesterol and finally cancer in the early stages of detection.

Kombucha is considered to be unique in that it actively re-balances the blood pH and thus helps to counter any disease processes that are in operation."

Now,it's important to know how to use it.A low carb diet is a no-no! You can start with half the recommended dosage to make it easier for your body to tolerate it.

It's simple: Many supplement companies when understood what syntrax was caming with,struggled to make it disappear from the supps scene and they made it.

The truth is that it is a rather hardcore supplement,so if you really face serious sides even with half the rec. dose,you better have to stick with "ynca" style fat burners (nor-ephedrine(as long as it stays on the market..)/caffeine/yohimbine/salicin) which works nice and gives an energy boost prior to the workout.
 
BLACKALFA...

I never said that there was anything wrong with it... IN FACT I STATED THAT I STILL TAKE IT even after my harsh experiences. I agree... if used correctly is can be a great supplement...

I've just been trying to make people aware of the effects that they can see and make sure that they are careful in how they administer it...
 
Hey cozmo,I didn't say that. I posted it to prove that there's nothing wrong with usnic acid because some persons still believe in the myths that some supp companies claimed to be true to stop lipo big sales.Just to dispell the myths.Usnic acid is da bomb! :D
 
Yes USNIC acid is da bomb... but the FDA doesn't think so... USNIC acid is specifically the reason why this product was pulled
 
cozmokramer said:
Yes USNIC acid is da bomb... but the FDA doesn't think so... USNIC acid is specifically the reason why this product was pulled
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I'm not so sure about that, lipo also has T2 and norephedrine - 2 other FDA sh*t list ingredients. These ingredients in combination may be what made lipo so potent. I am researching my butt off right now and have found potential sources for pure usnic acid (not kombucha or usnea) as well as T2 and NYC stack thus far. If there's enough interest I'll bring them to market myself!!!
 
Yes, but I doubt it'll have a usnic component.

Incidentally, the FDA has *never* specified what ingredient they claim is liver-toxic. We've only assumed they're referring to sodium usniate.

I haven't found any research that suggests a liver risk, and I've emailed Syntrax and several other sellers of usnea...all of them replied, and all of them agreed that they cannot find any research that implicates usnea in liver problems at all. Not only that, but there is research (cited above) that usnea is actually quite good at preventing cancers, killing tumors and harmful microbes, and detoxifying the body!

If anyone has objective research about usnea and the liver specifically, please mention it. I can't find any.

As for hospital trips, we know that usnea is an allergin to some people. I suspect that.

Meanwhile, I use lipok in a 2 weeks/1 week on/off pattern, along with NAC and milk thistle and oil of oregano. So far my fat loss is spectacular.

Hell, I may even try DNP someday.
 
Awesome thread. I have two bottles @ 180 caps I am going to use post-cycle to shed. I will be doing 2 weeks of clen followed by 2 weeks of Lipo, and repeat.
 
New mental health diagnosis: "Lipokinetix envy."

See, I have FIVE bottles. But one is almost gone. And it's working great, and I feel great!
 
Actually, Im thinking of coming out with making something similar to LipoK, albeit at an excellent price (coming out with a promo version with no label, just caps in bottle, hope to build good reputation similar to DNP Guru..of course, before his recent incident). I PERSONALLY feel that the T2 is not needed, in fact, it may actually make LipoK worse since it hardly does jack for raising metabolism, and still wreaks havoc on your TSH. (Check a QnA by Bryan Haycock)

The only difference between my product and LipoK is that while I can offer the same rate of fat loss (I beleive most of the fat loss is from usnic acid, and followed by caffeine....but indirectly via as a fat utilizer, and I still think there can be another odds and ends thrown in there to improve on that), the hunger part is something I cant do nothing about. Which is what Noreph is great at. I may add one powerful antiox, or may just cap straight usnic acid. Hmmm...)

I really think usnic acid is the best legal fat burner out there, way better than the ECA stack and almost as comparable to DNP. I still want to experiment with it more so I can validate that statement. I think the main difference between DNP and Usnic Acid is just dose dependant, meaning, it takes X amount of Usnic Acid to equal Y amount of DNP. Again, Im not sure and my only background comes from mainly using DNP and off-and-on attempts at LipoK (which gave me a friggin headache for some reason! Although I think it's not related to Usnic Acid, or at least I hope not) Hmmm...
 
Hey Coz..

Hey Coz

Can you email/vnote me the studies where you found 80mg of Usnic Acid to be an effective dose to lose fat? I checked medline for Usnic Acid, the only thing I found was that it was like 2,4 DNP in terms of uncoupling (which is what we want, since it's the action of the uncoupling/raising metabolism that makes it work) and this was experimented under mice.

I know some people wonder why one product has 10mg of Usnic Acid per capsule where as LipoK has 100mg of Sodium Usniate. Well, the answer is right in front of you. There is a 100mg of SODIUM usniate which is added salt. I think the reason Syntrax did this was to increase absorbtion so that less Usnic acid is needed per capsule?? This sounds right on par with Andy's experiment with adding Baking Soda to DNP to increase the absorbtion, whereby you would create "Crystal DNP." Of course, as we all know, DNP by itself works just as good, you just need a a higher dosage. THis is why I think peeps feel LipoK right away, that's the action of the sodium usniate making people sweat.

Im getting more excited talking about Usnic Acid, I just wish there was some kind of friggin chart/study or anything we can gauge by comparing it's dosage vs. DNP. I have this hunch that if it uncouples as well as DNP, that should mean that fat loss should be equal as well, right? I need to experiment this stuff at different dosages (of course, I wont be a retard and take a gram of this stuff at once)

Im still fixing up my geocities website talking about this stuff, along with the negatives/positives of LipoK.
 
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DUH!!

Duh! I almost forgot, here is the study with Usnic Acid being comparable to 2,4 DNP when it comes to uncoupling, Sweet!



Abo-Khatwa AN, al-Robai AA, al-Jawhari DA. Related Articles

Lichen acids as uncouplers of oxidative phosphorylation of mouse-liver mitochondria.
Nat Toxins. 1996;4(2):96-102.
 
Usnea is also cheap and legal. And it's established as an anti-cancer, anti-tumor operant, which some reports even name as an antioxidant.

I'd like to see a usnea product that includes forskolin, guggul, and ALA. I would buy a lifetime supply.

(hint, hint!)
 
WayCoolJR21 said:
BIGMAC,

bro, please let me know where found that bottle, if you get a chance........thanks man
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OK, SORRY FELLAS, THEY JUST SENT ME A REPLY SAYING THAT THEY "NO LONGER CARRY THIS PRODUCT" COCK SUCKERS NEED TO QUIT BEING LAZY AND UPDATE THEIR SHIT, MOTHERFUCKERS.
THERE IS ANOTHER PRODUCT THAT I ORDERED FROM DAN DUCHAINES WEBSITE (QFAC.COM) WHICH CONTAINS USNIC ACID ALSO CALLED LIPOGENESIS. DOESNT CONTAIN AS MUCH AND THERE ARENT AS MANY BUT ITS IN THERE. HUCK POSTED ON THIS, I THINK ITS STILL AT THE TOP SOMEWHERE

PEACE
MAC
 
SmokingHawk..I think adding Guggu and ALA would be great. I would add caffeine to it as a fat utilizer and perhaps Tyrosine. Im not sure about forskolin, I would like to see more research when taken 'oraly' on this stuff.

BigMac

For some reason, I think 10mg per capsule is a bit low. I have researched the past formulas on the net, and from what I read, HPDX had around 50mg per cap (a few posters said that Lipo had twice as much, but that was 'sodium usniate') and this other product had 60mg per cap.

Im going to experiment with 50mg per cap first, and if that turns out ok, ill pass out a weeks supply for free to some members here.

OR/AND

I might attempt at making 'Crystal Usnic Acid' similar to Crystal DNP, then test it out, and if all is well, Ill pass some of that out too.

If all goes well, Ill probably sell 50mg caps (90 caps) for almost half the price of other formulas. Hey, im not paying for advertising or labeling here. Just my time to cap these suckers and making the Crystal Usnic
 
Actually, scratch out the possibilty of "Crystal Usnic". Just because there is a chemical reaction to mixing Baking Soda to DNP does not mean it would hold true of Usnic Acid.

Duh on me.

Unless there is a chemist out there who wants to share if it's possible. :)
 
I found it!!!

Many of us have been looking for this stuff a long time. Well I am happy to report that I finally found it! Not usnea or kombucha extract but 100% pure laboratory certified usnic acid! It comes in 500mg tablets. One to two tablets a day are recommended depending on body weight. I have been assured that 500mg is not too much for one serving, however the tablets are scored so you can half or quarter them. I even spoke with a competitive bodybuilder who was one of the first guinea pigs to use pure usnic acid at this dosage who says it’s great!

The only catch was I had to buy a boat load! So what I plan to do is put up a quick one page web site for anyone interested to order through. (I have a business already and a merchant account to process credit cards through.) I will post the url as soon as I have a moment to get it together! Feel free to post or PM or e-mail me with any questions or comments!
 
Hell yeah! I may be up for this, since this other bulk distributor wanted me to make a minimum order of 3kg at $425 per KG. I am willing to fork out that kind of cash, but I prefer to be on the safe side and risk little money.

Thank goodness, I was ""THIS CLOSE"" to purchasing a crap load of Usnic Acid. I would have to sell a truck load before I start making some coin, and even though it may have happenned, the risk was a bit high. Over $1k to start out, UGHHHH.
 
cozmokramer said:
Ok... everyone here knows about my experience and experimentation with LIPOKINETIX... I seem to be somewhat of the board expert on the supp... since I am getting PM after PM asking questions on the subject I thought I would post a sticky on the subject...

Here is my story of usage.... KEEP IN MIND THAT I SPENT TWO TRIPS TO THE HOSPITAL AND THAT I STILL USE THE STUFF (even though its not produced anymore...)

DOSAGE I TAKE
6 am - qty 2 - then do cardio & weights
12pm - qty 2 - lunch
5 pm - qty 1 - dinner

with this dosage i get pretty warm and sweat a bit as it raises my temperature to about 102.5 pretty consistently throughout the day.

well one day after my workout at 8am... I took one more... so my total for the day went to 6 pills... after a few hours my temperature rose to about 104... then to 105...

what an alergic reaction I had... red spots completely covered my body, face and all. I went to the doctor and they did a skin test to see what the substance was.... after about 6 to 8 hours in the hospital my temperature dropped from 105 to 101... THANK GOD!

THIS EXPERIENCE IS VERY COMMON FOR HIGH DOSES OF ** LIPOKINETIX ** THUS WHY ITS PRODUCTION HAS BEEN STOPPED. After many conversations with SYNTRAX and FDA members, it was determined that the USNIC ACID in the product causes all these reactions.

NOW many ask how can I still take it... well I monitor my temperature all day and take the dosage according to that reading. THIS PRODUCT DOES HAVE AMAZING CAPABILITIES... THE TRUTH IS THAT THE USNIC ACID MIMICS THE EFFECTS OF ** DNP **

If you don't know what DNP is I suggest doing a search on Elite for it... its the most potent fat burner that exists. LIPOKINETIX has the possibility to truly help burn fat... NOT JUST RAISE YOUR METABOLISM as many other fat burners do....
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No offense, but Usnic Acid is like an ant compared to DNP.

Usnic Acid: 7-10% increase in BMR(if that). DNP: 50-70%

Plus, lets not delve into its DNA-damaging properties.

If Mr.X were here he'd shoot down this post.

Fonz
 
Dammit, is anyone else sick of endless "If Mr X were here' he'd tell you...bump for Mr. X...Mr. X, where are you?" posts? If that guy has something to tech us, I'm eager to learn it,but seriously...this has been DAYS of promising us that someone else holds the answers.

Since DNP is Ames test negative, it can be ocncluded that it is NOT carcinogenic, which means it does not damage DNA.

It was once thought to be carcinogenic, but hey...there are ZERO cases of DNP causing cancer, and it passed the Ames test. Did you know that cauliflower and asparagus and apples are Ames POSITIVE? Thatmeans DNP is less carcinogenic than those.
 
smokinghawk said:
Dammit, is anyone else sick of endless "If Mr X were here' he'd tell you...bump for Mr. X...Mr. X, where are you?" posts? If that guy has something to tech us, I'm eager to learn it,but seriously...this has been DAYS of promising us that someone else holds the answers.

Since DNP is Ames test negative, it can be ocncluded that it is NOT carcinogenic, which means it does not damage DNA.

It was once thought to be carcinogenic, but hey...there are ZERO cases of DNP causing cancer, and it passed the Ames test. Did you know that cauliflower and asparagus and apples are Ames POSITIVE? Thatmeans DNP is less carcinogenic than those.
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Errr...I think you're getting slighlty confused here.

I KNOW DNP passed the AMES test........LOL

I was referring to Usnic Acid's DNA-damaging properties were
Mr.X is more of an expert than I am.

Your response cracked me up..... :)

Fonz
 
Glad I could bring a smile to ya!

(Seriously, my response wasn't a flame on you or anything, just frustration that everyone keeps promising that the ever-silent "Mr. X" will have all the answers).

Incidentally, usnic acid is ames-negative, too. It also passed.
 
These pills are pretty strong.

I am going for 2 in the morning, 2 for lunch, and 1-2 at 6pm.

My hair is tingling, like on an ECA. I feel pretty wired, and clammy. Hope it's doing some good before any damage occurs internally j/k.
 
Anyone?........above complete muscle indicated he bought a crap load of usnic acid and will post a web page or something, has anyone been able to get this stuff from him?
 
I thought he was discussing intentions (web page orders), not something he already had in place. I was anticipating this happening later.
 
I emailed Complete Muscle

he told me that he was working on it, and that he added me to his list.

try e-mailing him and ask him to put you on his email list, then you will be sure to know when he gets that operation underway
 
where did you get those bottles??????

did you just get them recently or did you stockpile before lipo was pulled?

just wondering if there's soemwhere to get it that I am not aware of.
 
apologies...

I experienced a death in my family last wednesday, so my whole life got put on hold a few days... I'm back in the saddle this week and should have my little web page within a few days. BTW the usnic acid is ordered and paid for and should be in my possession within a week. I'll keep everyone "posted".
 
Two abstracts on the topic

I did a search if PubMed and these were the only relevant abstracts I found. I don't think they are very helpful but you may want to read them regardless.


Lichen acids as uncouplers of oxidative phosphorylation of mouse-liver mitochondria.

Abo-Khatwa AN, al-Robai AA, al-Jawhari DA.

Department of Biochemistry, Faculty of Science, King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

Three lichen acids-namely, (+)usnic acid, vulpinic acid, and atranorin-were isolated from three lichen species (Usnea articulata, Letharia vulpina, and Parmelia tinctorum, respectively). The effects of these lichen products on mice-liver mitochondrial oxidative functions in various respiratory states and on oxidative phosphorylation were studied polarographically in vitro. The lichen acids exhibited characteristics of the 2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP), a classical uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation. Thus, they released respiratory control and oligomycin inhibited respiration, hindered ATP synthesis, and enhanced Mg(+2)-ATPase activity. (+)Usnic acid at a concentration of 0.75 microM inhibited ADP/O ratio by 50%, caused maximal stimulation of both state-4 respiration (100%) and ATPase activity (300%). Atranorin was the only lichen acid with no significant effect on ATPase. The uncoupling effect was dose-dependent in all cases. The minimal concentrations required to cause complete uncoupling of oxidative phosphorylation were as follows: (+)usnic acid (1 microM), vulpinic acid, atranorin (5 microM) and DNP (50 microM). It was postulated that the three lichen acids induce uncoupling by acting on the inner mitochondrial membrane through their lipophilic properties and protonophoric activities.

PMID: 8726330 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]




Mitodepressive, clastogenic and biochemical effects of (+)-usnic acid in mice.

al-Bekairi AM, Qureshi S, Chaudhry MA, Krishna DR, Shah AH.

Experimental Animal Care Centre, College of Pharmacy, King Saud University, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

Mice were treated orally with aqueous suspensions of (+)-usnic acid in a single dose of either 100 or 200 mg/kg. The effects on femur cells and proteins and on nucleic acids of liver cells were studied 24-72 h after treatment. (+)-Usnic acid was found to affect the proliferation of polychromatic erythrocytes possibly by interference with RNA biosynthesis. The slight increase in the micronucleated polychromatic erythrocytes without affecting DNA synthesis suggests an effect of usnic acid on spindle apparatus.

PMID: 1833591 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
Findings on Usnic Acid.....way cool!!!

If your confused by the abstracts above your have every right to be. Here is a report by a respectable M.D. James Shoemaker Houston, Texas.

The Great things about Usnic Acid they don't tell you.

Usnic acid being a uncoupler means also that it's a lipophilic moietie that interacts at the level of mammalian mitochondria which decreases the efficiency of energy utilization, ie., more calories are utilized to perform any given biologic function... The real beauty here is that uncouplers (Usnic acid) utilize fat as the dominant source of calories (95% from fat, 3% from carbs and 2% from protein (want to get rid of the brown fat...here ya go!)

In respect to health issues, modern medical studies prove that it has positive effects on diseases that are sensitive to heat, in large doses many bacteria, fungi, parasites, viruses and yep...cancer, cannot tolerate it and are stopped in there tracks.

Another fact is that uncouplers (Usnic acid) have not been found to be clastogenic, in other words they are Ames test negative and do not cause mutations.

There have been over 258 published abstracts on lichen acids and 61 on Usnic acid, Usnic acid has NOT been reported to have any irreversible side effects.....wow

In fact Usnic unlike other drugs such as the well know ephedra products have intrinsic levels of safety because excess dosage cause increased heat and act as a warning, the others allow your body to overheat without warning (basically you find out too late)

Reports have indicated that Usnic acid is the only available herbal ingrediant to show increase thermogenesis on a prolonged basis unlike ephedra products which simply suppress appetite and in turn slows metabolism and heat production.

In short guys this stuff is pratically a miracle in the finding and the supplemental companies that produce all the shit out there don't want us to know cause this stuff will bankrupt them.

Don't beleive me, you do the research, better yet as Huck, he's a living testament to the stuff.




:D :D :D
 
http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/ironman/nutrition/fatburning_firestorm.htm

I was reading a little about usnic acid as i am interested in it, and i found this url which reads:

"We had suspected that the pure usnic acid would be superior to the Kombucha extract, but the usnic acid did not work at all—no increase in metabolic rate. After that we were a little disappointed and didn’t expect much from the Kombucha. Upon testing the Kombucha, however, we were all quite shocked to find exactly what we were hoping for—a distinct and noticeable increase in BMR."

I was just curious if this is accurate, or would it still be beneficial to order some of the pure stuff
 
Good point!

Funny....I read that same column a couple of days ago and found it quite interesting, I wonder how much is factual? One thing that did stand out was that truth in comparing DNP to usnic acid, DNP is MUCH more effective and probably the best thing available, you can read many threads of users here to back this up. I believe it's like many drugs out there, it depends on the amount used and the fact that everyone reacts differently to these substances, you just got to try it and see what happens.

I do however find it hard to beleive that there studies show no rise in the metabolic rate with pure usnic acid.

I'm still curious though about the pure usnic acid vs. the Kombucha..........anybody???????
 
I'm on +/- 6 tabsof Lipo a day for a week and a half now.

Seems to be working pretty well, I am getting leaner (however, I am also on fina 75mg ed).

My body is starting to itch quite a bit, very strange. Is this a know side effect?
 
I've already spread your url to a bunch of friends! I *will* be buying from you, when my Lipokinetix runs out. How long do you anticipate you'll continue to sell product? I mean, is this a "buy it now while I have it" thing, or if I knew I'd be ready for your stuff in 2 months, are you still gonna be stocked?
 
Thanx man! I'll be sure to save you a bottle or two :). It is a "buy it now while I have it" thing but if it goes real fast I can re-order more. We all know how the FDA feels about usnic acid, so God only knows how long this opportunity will last. (Sorry... I really don't want to sound like typical hype BS marketing, but it's true)
 
I still think you're safe about the FDA thing. They take forever to move on sometghing like this, especially without verifiable evidence and ESPECIALLY since they themselves tested sodium usniate and declared they found no liver issues, only to change their mind on six complaints. Word on another forum is that the FDA has even recanted THAT objection! But I don't have details on it yet.
 
GTZpower said:
http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/ironman/nutrition/fatburning_firestorm.htm

I was reading a little about usnic acid as i am interested in it, and i found this url which reads:

"We had suspected that the pure usnic acid would be superior to the Kombucha extract, but the usnic acid did not work at all—no increase in metabolic rate. After that we were a little disappointed and didn’t expect much from the Kombucha. Upon testing the Kombucha, however, we were all quite shocked to find exactly what we were hoping for—a distinct and noticeable increase in BMR."

I was just curious if this is accurate, or would it still be beneficial to order some of the pure stuff
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I wonder if this is the case why they ended up using usnic acid in lipo after all???
 
Sorry to introduce myself like this, but I am launching my own supplement line, and the premeir product will be usnic acid. i will also ahve 1-test cheaper than kilosports in the very near future. Anyway, I will be selling the same amont of usnic acid (although in 100mg caps) for about $20 less than the competition. All capsules are professionally manufactured by the same people who make Walgreen's house supplements. Every bottle is sealed, and every dose is checked for accurate dosing. So if you can wait 2 more weeks, give me a chance at my new store: realsupplements.net

Thanks
 
I just ordered a bottle of 500mg tabs (www.usnicacid.com), and i have to say that Jerry was very good to deal with. He answered all of my questions quickly and accurately, and for those he could not answer, he provided contact info for someone that could answer them. His service was more than i would have ever expected.

Anyways, I will let every body know how it works for me. I will probably only take 500mg a day by cutting up the pills and using small doses.
 
Powdered Usnic for less

If you wish to purchase it cheaper in pure powder form (98% pure Usnic acid) the price is:

15grams @$40
40 grams @ $80

e-mail for details or to reserve order
 
I have not been on the board regularly for a long time and have not done a search, but do you feel LIPOKINETIX is better, same or different than DNP.

Why would I take one versus the other, My experience with DNP was very positive result wise but simply not able to workout after about day 4 at 600mg per day. Could not even do light cardio, simply exhausted.

But on the other hand, I lost serious weight in a very short period of time.


Now it is time to do the same thing, having difficulty (new job) even getting to the gym more than 3 times a week.
 
DNP is more effective, by far. But it is also much more dangerous and oxidative. Plus, it's quite illegal to use for human consumption and dangerous to handle.

UA is second-best, and is legal. But there are unconsistent evidences about its hepatotoxicity that I take very seriously.
 
Might as well use DNP. It's cheaper and more effective. There's also plenty of information and experiences about it on the boards.
 
a couple of questions......

should usnic acid be taken with or without ECA stack/NYC stack............also, does it show up on some drug tests like ephedrine does?
 
You can combine it with ECA, and might be a good idea to combat the fatigue associated with it.

As far as reccommending DNP to someone without proper knowledge, I think that is one of the ost reckless things you can do. The stuff is not woth it in my view.
 
DNP cheaper??

I'm selling usnic at 15grams for $40 or 40 grams for $80 so i do not know how DNP is cheaper
Usnic is cheaper, legal, and naturally derived

later
 
Lipokinetix is finally described in detail at www.annals.org in an article about the liver problems that happened from it.

It's pretty interesting reading, and Lipok does seem directly implicated. I fonud it strange that of 7 cases, four (or five?) were ALL Japanese women. Two were male bodybuilders.

In every case, the liver damage reversed after ceasing use.

I find this very troubling, but I don't know how strongly to take the info since 1) there were only seven people affected, and 2) none of them were using any antioxidant or liver-protecting supplements, too.

I use Lipoinetix, but also use NAC, ALA, milk thistle (for whatever it's worth), Radox, flax oil, and extra vitamins along with it.
 
Of freakin course that would happen as it is sim to DNP in effect and in free radical production ...that is why both should be taken with the appropriate adjunct supplements for liver protection etc....and cycled to give liver a break and so as not to feel like shit for too long and let body recover
These substances are not meant to be used without the proper knowledge, respect, and care!!!!!!

if interested in Usnic contact me

later
 
Personally, I do cycle it (2 weeks on/1 off).

I'm anticipating a DNP cycle at low doses, and to address the free radical issue I'll be adding this to my diet/supp portfolio:

1+ grams ALA
3 Radox antioxidants
1+ gram vitamin C
1200 IU vitamin E
Tyler's liver detox
600 mg NAC
oregano oil extract capsules
Milk thistle
flax oil
blueberry yogurt (think about it: acidophilus for digestive help and to reduce DNP gas, and blueberries are excellent antioxidant foods)
 
Dosages of 20mg are effective according to David Palumbo in the current Muscular Development magazine. Says 100mg 3-6 times a day way over necessary limit and is toxic to liver.
 
Anyone want to trade a bottle of lipokinetix for a fina conversion kit?!?
PM or email me,thanks.
 
There's a lot of discussion about the Kombucha extract, but does anyone have any info on the effectiveness and content in the actual Kombucha tea? I usd to drink it religiously for several years almost a decade ago, but I wasn't body building at the time, and made no note of the effects on fat loss etc. The stuff tastes funky, but if it's as good as the supplements, it's well worth it.
 
Nope!

I have contacted several people selling Kombucha extract and/or tea as well as usnea extract and whole usnea barbata and NOBODY knows how much usnic acid these products contain! And the "other" products contain only nominal amounts of the active ingredient. IMO the only UA products worth anything are the 98-99% pure stuff!
 
drug testing........

does anyone know if usnic acid will cause a positive on a drug test by the NCAA?.........i realize that it is not an illegal substance, but neither if ephedrine.....and it is still banned by the NCAA
 
I e-mailed The National Center for Drug Free Sport off of the NCAA web site and asked them. Here is their reply:

The NCAA does not specifically ban usnic acid. However, dietary supplements are not strictly regulated by the FDA. The NCAA position on dietary supplements is one of caution, it is a "buyer beware market". Purity and contamination should always be a concern.

FYI the UA that I and a few other bros have access to is 98-99% lab certified pure.
 
[LIPOKINETIX has the possibility to truly help burn fat... NOT JUST RAISE YOUR METABOLISM as many other fat burners do.... [/B][/QUOTE]

The mechanism by which unsic acid and DNP burn fat is by increasing your metabolism, just like ephedrine or clen or whatever. It's just that ephedrine will jack up your metabolism by something like 3%, Clen around 10%, and DNP 30-50%. The WAY they increase it is what's unique, that is they act as mitochondrial uncoupling agents, something no other "fat burners" or thyroid hormones do. BTW be careful with that shit, it's pretty dangerous.
Duh:rolleyes: huh? Anyway check out this article:

http://www.testosterone.net/html/body_84suppl.html

Personally I think it would be safer to do short, infrequent DNP cycles, but that's just my opinion.
 
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