LIPOKINETIX (the down and dirty info)

[smokinghawk]

DNP is more effective, by far. But it is also much more dangerous and oxidative. Plus, it's quite illegal to use for human consumption and dangerous to handle.

UA is second-best, and is legal. But there are unconsistent evidences about its hepatotoxicity that I take very seriously.

 

[Complete Muscle]

Essentially, lipo is just a NYC stack, right? ... welll ... with modifications ...

yeah serious modifications like usnic acid and T-2.

 

[freshr1]

Might as well use DNP. It's cheaper and more effective. There's also plenty of information and experiences about it on the boards.

 

[WayCoolJR21]

a couple of questions......

should usnic acid be taken with or without ECA stack/NYC stack............also, does it show up on some drug tests like ephedrine does?

 

[matpal]

You can combine it with ECA, and might be a good idea to combat the fatigue associated with it.

As far as reccommending DNP to someone without proper knowledge, I think that is one of the ost reckless things you can do. The stuff is not woth it in my view.

 

[ascension2001]

DNP cheaper??

I'm selling usnic at 15grams for $40 or 40 grams for $80 so i do not know how DNP is cheaper
Usnic is cheaper, legal, and naturally derived

later

 

[smokinghawk]

Lipokinetix is finally described in detail at www.annals.org in an article about the liver problems that happened from it.

It's pretty interesting reading, and Lipok does seem directly implicated. I fonud it strange that of 7 cases, four (or five?) were ALL Japanese women. Two were male bodybuilders.

In every case, the liver damage reversed after ceasing use.

I find this very troubling, but I don't know how strongly to take the info since 1) there were only seven people affected, and 2) none of them were using any antioxidant or liver-protecting supplements, too.

I use Lipoinetix, but also use NAC, ALA, milk thistle (for whatever it's worth), Radox, flax oil, and extra vitamins along with it.

 

[ascension2001]

Of freakin course that would happen as it is sim to DNP in effect and in free radical production ...that is why both should be taken with the appropriate adjunct supplements for liver protection etc....and cycled to give liver a break and so as not to feel like shit for too long and let body recover
These substances are not meant to be used without the proper knowledge, respect, and care!!!!!!

if interested in Usnic contact me

later

 

[smokinghawk]

Personally, I do cycle it (2 weeks on/1 off).

I'm anticipating a DNP cycle at low doses, and to address the free radical issue I'll be adding this to my diet/supp portfolio:

1+ grams ALA
3 Radox antioxidants
1+ gram vitamin C
1200 IU vitamin E
Tyler's liver detox
600 mg NAC
oregano oil extract capsules
Milk thistle
flax oil
blueberry yogurt (think about it: acidophilus for digestive help and to reduce DNP gas, and blueberries are excellent antioxidant foods)

 

[cman]

Dosages of 20mg are effective according to David Palumbo in the current Muscular Development magazine. Says 100mg 3-6 times a day way over necessary limit and is toxic to liver.