LIPOKINETIX (the down and dirty info)

[VarixBro]

Actually, Im thinking of coming out with making something similar to LipoK, albeit at an excellent price (coming out with a promo version with no label, just caps in bottle, hope to build good reputation similar to DNP Guru..of course, before his recent incident). I PERSONALLY feel that the T2 is not needed, in fact, it may actually make LipoK worse since it hardly does jack for raising metabolism, and still wreaks havoc on your TSH. (Check a QnA by Bryan Haycock)

The only difference between my product and LipoK is that while I can offer the same rate of fat loss (I beleive most of the fat loss is from usnic acid, and followed by caffeine....but indirectly via as a fat utilizer, and I still think there can be another odds and ends thrown in there to improve on that), the hunger part is something I cant do nothing about. Which is what Noreph is great at. I may add one powerful antiox, or may just cap straight usnic acid. Hmmm...)

I really think usnic acid is the best legal fat burner out there, way better than the ECA stack and almost as comparable to DNP. I still want to experiment with it more so I can validate that statement. I think the main difference between DNP and Usnic Acid is just dose dependant, meaning, it takes X amount of Usnic Acid to equal Y amount of DNP. Again, Im not sure and my only background comes from mainly using DNP and off-and-on attempts at LipoK (which gave me a friggin headache for some reason! Although I think it's not related to Usnic Acid, or at least I hope not) Hmmm...

 

[VarixBro]

Hey Coz..

Hey Coz

Can you email/vnote me the studies where you found 80mg of Usnic Acid to be an effective dose to lose fat? I checked medline for Usnic Acid, the only thing I found was that it was like 2,4 DNP in terms of uncoupling (which is what we want, since it's the action of the uncoupling/raising metabolism that makes it work) and this was experimented under mice.

I know some people wonder why one product has 10mg of Usnic Acid per capsule where as LipoK has 100mg of Sodium Usniate. Well, the answer is right in front of you. There is a 100mg of SODIUM usniate which is added salt. I think the reason Syntrax did this was to increase absorbtion so that less Usnic acid is needed per capsule?? This sounds right on par with Andy's experiment with adding Baking Soda to DNP to increase the absorbtion, whereby you would create "Crystal DNP." Of course, as we all know, DNP by itself works just as good, you just need a a higher dosage. THis is why I think peeps feel LipoK right away, that's the action of the sodium usniate making people sweat.

Im getting more excited talking about Usnic Acid, I just wish there was some kind of friggin chart/study or anything we can gauge by comparing it's dosage vs. DNP. I have this hunch that if it uncouples as well as DNP, that should mean that fat loss should be equal as well, right? I need to experiment this stuff at different dosages (of course, I wont be a retard and take a gram of this stuff at once)

Im still fixing up my geocities website talking about this stuff, along with the negatives/positives of LipoK.

 

[VarixBro]

DUH!!

Duh! I almost forgot, here is the study with Usnic Acid being comparable to 2,4 DNP when it comes to uncoupling, Sweet!



Abo-Khatwa AN, al-Robai AA, al-Jawhari DA. Related Articles

Lichen acids as uncouplers of oxidative phosphorylation of mouse-liver mitochondria.
Nat Toxins. 1996;4(2):96-102.

 

[smokinghawk]

Usnea is also cheap and legal. And it's established as an anti-cancer, anti-tumor operant, which some reports even name as an antioxidant.

I'd like to see a usnea product that includes forskolin, guggul, and ALA. I would buy a lifetime supply.

(hint, hint!)

 

[bigmac]

BIGMAC,

bro, please let me know where found that bottle, if you get a chance........thanks man

OK, SORRY FELLAS, THEY JUST SENT ME A REPLY SAYING THAT THEY "NO LONGER CARRY THIS PRODUCT" COCK SUCKERS NEED TO QUIT BEING LAZY AND UPDATE THEIR SHIT, MOTHERFUCKERS.
THERE IS ANOTHER PRODUCT THAT I ORDERED FROM DAN DUCHAINES WEBSITE (QFAC.COM) WHICH CONTAINS USNIC ACID ALSO CALLED LIPOGENESIS. DOESNT CONTAIN AS MUCH AND THERE ARENT AS MANY BUT ITS IN THERE. HUCK POSTED ON THIS, I THINK ITS STILL AT THE TOP SOMEWHERE

PEACE
MAC

 

[VarixBro]

SmokingHawk..I think adding Guggu and ALA would be great. I would add caffeine to it as a fat utilizer and perhaps Tyrosine. Im not sure about forskolin, I would like to see more research when taken 'oraly' on this stuff.

BigMac

For some reason, I think 10mg per capsule is a bit low. I have researched the past formulas on the net, and from what I read, HPDX had around 50mg per cap (a few posters said that Lipo had twice as much, but that was 'sodium usniate') and this other product had 60mg per cap.

Im going to experiment with 50mg per cap first, and if that turns out ok, ill pass out a weeks supply for free to some members here.

OR/AND

I might attempt at making 'Crystal Usnic Acid' similar to Crystal DNP, then test it out, and if all is well, Ill pass some of that out too.

If all goes well, Ill probably sell 50mg caps (90 caps) for almost half the price of other formulas. Hey, im not paying for advertising or labeling here. Just my time to cap these suckers and making the Crystal Usnic

 

[VarixBro]

Actually, scratch out the possibilty of "Crystal Usnic". Just because there is a chemical reaction to mixing Baking Soda to DNP does not mean it would hold true of Usnic Acid.

Duh on me.

Unless there is a chemist out there who wants to share if it's possible.

 

[Complete Muscle]

I found it!!!

Many of us have been looking for this stuff a long time. Well I am happy to report that I finally found it! Not usnea or kombucha extract but 100% pure laboratory certified usnic acid! It comes in 500mg tablets. One to two tablets a day are recommended depending on body weight. I have been assured that 500mg is not too much for one serving, however the tablets are scored so you can half or quarter them. I even spoke with a competitive bodybuilder who was one of the first guinea pigs to use pure usnic acid at this dosage who says it’s great!

The only catch was I had to buy a boat load! So what I plan to do is put up a quick one page web site for anyone interested to order through. (I have a business already and a merchant account to process credit cards through.) I will post the url as soon as I have a moment to get it together! Feel free to post or PM or e-mail me with any questions or comments!

 

[VarixBro]

Hell yeah! I may be up for this, since this other bulk distributor wanted me to make a minimum order of 3kg at $425 per KG. I am willing to fork out that kind of cash, but I prefer to be on the safe side and risk little money.

Thank goodness, I was ""THIS CLOSE"" to purchasing a crap load of Usnic Acid. I would have to sell a truck load before I start making some coin, and even though it may have happenned, the risk was a bit high. Over $1k to start out, UGHHHH.

 

[smokinghawk]

Count me in on a good buy...

Feel free to pm me anytime.