Lifting like a body builder...

[BigCracker]

Bodybuilders can go heavy, we just dont much of the time because once you build your base development and definition mean more. It's easy to hold your size given the right amounts of food, protien, and yes anabolics. But no bodybuilder looks huge w/out being strong. Where there is mass, there is power, and vice versa. Once or twice/month is enough to grow when it comes to heavy weights

OK. Answer me this. Let's say one guy 240 lb guy bench presses 400lbs for a 1 rep max and can bench press 225 lbs 40 times . Another 240 lb guy can only bench press 350 lbs for a 1 rep max, but he can put up 225 lbs 60 times.

Which guy is stronger? The guy with the heavy max that runs out of gas at 40 reps with 225 lbs? Or the guy with the 350 lb 1 rep max bench that can outbench the other guy by 20 reps with 225 lbs?

Wanna know the answer? Who gives a flying fuck? The guy that has taken the time to figure out the way his body responds to high reps and low reps along with the right diet, genetics, discipline, drugs, lifestyle choices, etc are the ones that take home the trophy on contest day. I'm not saying heavy resistance training isn't necessary. I'm just saying it doesn't matter on contest day or at the beach.

 

[abolish the weak]

OK. Answer me this. Let's say one guy 240 lb guy bench presses 400lbs for a 1 rep max and can bench press 225 lbs 40 times . Another 240 lb guy can only bench press 350 lbs for a 1 rep max, but he can put up 225 lbs 60 times.

Which guy is stronger? The guy with the heavy max that runs out of gas at 40 reps with 225 lbs? Or the guy with the 350 lb 1 rep max bench that can outbench the other guy by 20 reps with 225 lbs?

Wanna know the answer? Who gives a flying fuck? The guy that has taken the time to figure out the way his body responds to high reps and low reps along with the right diet, genetics, discipline, drugs, lifestyle choices, etc are the ones that take home the trophy on contest day. I'm not saying heavy resistance training isn't necessary. I'm just saying it doesn't matter on contest day or at the beach.

No, here is the answer...... Somebody who can bench press 225 lbs for over 40 reps has a max well over 500 lbs, guaranteed. And to do 225 lbs 40 or 50 reps you are not training with 225 all the time, most days your training heavier.

 

[BigCracker]

No, here is the answer...... Somebody who can bench press 225 lbs for over 40 reps has a max well over 500 lbs, guaranteed. And to do 225 lbs 40 or 50 reps you are not training with 225 all the time, most days your training heavier.

Ummm...there's just a little too much speculation going on here for my taste.

Explain how some bbs never squat over 315 and still have killer leg developement. And how come some guys that have awesome chest development only go up to 100lb dumbell presses on incline? By your claims these guys should look like shit because they don't go heavy enough.
I've seen a lot of guys in my time that had national caliber physiques that paid little or no attention to their max poundages. One guy I know that busted the top 10 as a Light Heavy in nats awhile back rarely did full range of motion on any exercise. He did a lot of partial reps with low weights on cables and extremely high reps of 30+ with dumbells. How did this guy build a physique good enough to qualify for Nats without ever doing a lot of compound movements or heavy weights?

By remaining so closed minded you are almost guaranteed to hit a plateau with your physique that will never be overcome. By going heavy too often injuries will be inevitable and likely slow your overall progress.

Bodybuilding is not an exact science. Until you realize that different physiques respond to different types of stimuli, and one set way of doing things isn't for everybody, you will never be able to get the most out of your training.

If you have this type of mentality when preparing for a contest, I highly doubt you will do very well. I have a lot of friends that compete. I don't know one of them that does exactly the same thing as another does to prep for a show. If prep was straight across the board for everyone, everybody that competes would look their absolute best come showtime and there would be less soft and/or flat, sloppy looking physiques on stage. Same goes for weight training and diet. What works well for me may not work well for you.

Think of the guy that gains weight easily. Then think of the guy that loses 4lbs if he so much as skips 1 meal. Should both of these guys eat the same things and train the same way to look their best? Personally, I don't think so.

 

[Inhibitor13]

One guy I know that busted the top 10 as a Light Heavy in nats awhile back rarely did full range of motion on any exercise. He did a lot of partial reps with low weights on cables and extremely high reps of 30+ with dumbells. QUOTE]

I seemed to have found this out on the bench press. Doing partials keeps the stress on my chest muscles the whole lift. Rather than going full range of motion where most of the weight will then transfer to my triceps. Ive tried this out for a lil over a month just on that exercise and see a nice chest difference !


I also liked what else you had to say, when I started going to another gym, I seen this huge guy there every now and then. I noticed he wasnt benching that much, or at least as much as I thought he could bench. I thought maybe its his light day. But the next time I saw him and the same thing, lightweight. So I thought, how is this guy bigger than me but I am pushing more weight than him? So thats pretty much when I realized and had been given solid evidence that you dont have to lift like a PL to be a BB. I eventually became friends with him and now we share techniques and aas use. I just turned 22 so I am young in the game and my goal is to soak up as much info about this sport as I can.

 

[cboogsrun]

Just kiddin bro. Nothing wrong with some good natured ribbing.

My best friend was a nationally ranked power lifter and tought me much of what I know about lifting.

Most power lifters look down on BB'ers because many don't lift big. Can't say I agree with that, but when you hang with PL's you hear it all the damn time.

Not being an ass here, just stating the facts.

I'm not a pl or bb, but if you take all the double denim inzers and all that shit away from the pl, what do you have? A fat bodybuilder. lol! That is funny. Actually I think applying both angles to your workout will benefit you the most. No one can lift heavy continuously and stay healthy. At some point you need to change is up.

 

[instant.muscle]

well a lot of people say when bulking lift heavy and build mass, when cutting low weight high reps, i do the exact opposite heavy weight on cutting days to retain size and count on my diet and cardio to get cut

 

[theplastickid]

I think peeps should just lift as heavy as they can. And change up rep ranges from time to time, it can only be beneficial.

 

[ShowKidd]

this is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.i think that there is a certain amount of stress that needs to be put on the muscle for tissue breakdown and repair for hypertrophy specific trainers, i also believe that there is a direct size/weight relation because if not then Ronnie wouldn't be using two 200lb DB for pressing because that is a shit load of weight on each arm.he is a perfect example of strength/size relation.however i am not saying you cant get big with lighter weight it just requires more sets/reps for tissue damage, which makes the workout a lot longer so by doing heavier weight with less reps/sets it gets the same job done using up less time(ie bill stars 5x5). so with that being said i would bet every thing i own that Ronnie wouldn't get to 300 lbs cut with only a 100lb bench press unless he did a 1000 reps a day to break down the tissue(not really 1000 reps but you get what i mean)

 

[instant.muscle]

No, here is the answer...... Somebody who can bench press 225 lbs for over 40 reps has a max well over 500 lbs, guaranteed. And to do 225 lbs 40 or 50 reps you are not training with 225 all the time, most days your training heavier.

he was making a point smart ass

 

[hesnobradpitt]

the best thing is change, 1 week i do power movement with heavy weight like cleans squats all that good free weight stuff, next week all machines, squeezing and peaking the muscle on every rep, its the best

I find my self getting good results doing this to .
Brad.