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Nelson Montana

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As many of you know, I advocate shorter, lower dosed, highly anabolc, mildly androgenic cycles. I don't want to start a discussion here as to their merit, nor is it necessary for anyone to disagree. Instead, let's just call a spade a spade.

I don't believe anyone who has been at this a while will dispute the fact that the actual amount of mucle that is permantently gained from a single cycle can not exceed much more than 10 pounds -- if that. I don't care how much gear you use or how long you use it. Once all is said and done and youre completely off, 2 months later, you won't have gained much more than 10 actual pounds of muscle -- if you're lucky. Chances are you won't keep it unless you really bust your balls in the gym. An odd approach I know. It seems these days guys think that maintaining muscle is a matter of using the right drugs afterward. Some even think that 3 weeks of AM d-bol or a month of 40 mgs of Var is the way to maintain gains and prevent muscle loss post cycle. Well, let me fill you in on a little secret. That isn't post-cycle therapy. That IS a cycle.

Muscle is best maintained if gained in a slow steady manner. Five pounds a month would be astounding! But that doesn't seem to be good enough for a lot of people and I could never understand that. And whenever people would argue about how longer cycles are more effective -- yet freely admit that they don't hold on to their gains, it didn't make sense to me.

But now it does. It's so simple.

The fact of the matter is, people like being on steroids. (duh) And why not? You feel strong. You feel euphoric. You have a fullness and vascularity that is never quite the same, just a week after going off. You have the psychological advantage of knowing you're enhanced. Hell, even injecting is a rush. You're Clark Kent turning into Superman. And it feels good.

But's let's not kid ourselves. Long cycles with anything over a gram a week has NOTHING to do with building muscle. It has to do with HAVING muscle. Now.

But once the parties over, you get these former suoermen whining that they can't keep their gains, or that they're getting smaller, or that they don't want to train. And just for a kicker, they can't get an erection. Back to Clark Kent, only worse.

For those of you who have chosen a life of commitment to steroids, this thread is not for you. But I believe it's imperative for those who are new to it to be aware of their choices.

Get too accustomed to steroid use and it's like any other addiction. When you're "on" the world is a better place. And that makes being "off" that much harder to handle.

Or...you can use steroids in the way they work best; as an enhancement -- a little punt to get you over the edge to the next level. As an aid. Not a crutch.

Think of it this way. If you learned how to drive a car before you learned how to walk, you'd go a lot farther and a lot faster than the guy struggling to use his own two legs. But after a while, you'll run out of gas and you won't be able to go anywhere. Your mode of transportation is gone. That's when you'll see the guy who learned how to walk getting closer, until he walks right by you. And you know what? He can always learn how to drive.

I know perspectives like this are short lived. But they need to be told every now and then.

Just trying to keep it real.
 
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I gotta admit I agree with you on this one.

Another valid use of enhancers is injury healing. Other than that not much point to doing anything you can't maintain.
 
Good post. It actually took me my whole test and fina injections to finish reading the whole thing . . . :p

So the take home message here is never go off, right?

j/k

I liked the post.
 
Think of it this way. If you learned how to drive a car before you learned how to walk, you'd go a lot farther and a lot faster than the guy struggling to use his own two legs. But after a while, you'll run out of gas and you won't be able to go anywhere. Your mode of transportation is gone. That's when you'll see the guy who learned how to walk getting closer, until he walks right by you. And you know what? He can always learn how to drive.

i love this quote
 
Nelson Montana said:


I don't believe anyone who has been at this a while will dispute the fact that the actual amount of mucle that is permantently gained from a single cycle can not exceed much more than 10 pounds -- if that. I don't care how much gear you use or how long you use it.


you are wrong. plain and simple. though only because you chose parameters that were FAR too broad.

had you chosen more narrow parameters there would be, more merit to your comment. (it still would be a generalization and not an absolute, but at least it would have some validity)



in particular ...this is a very rash and not well thought out comment

Nelson Montana said:

I don't care how much gear you use or how long you use it.
 
though there are some decent points in your commentary..

with respect to use and the reasoning that lies behind it.

though the "preaching", which runs as an undertone is a bit offbase from someone on lifetime HRT

BTW- not a criticism of your HRT choice (something that is a really good thing.. though would disagree on your age restrictions.. 30 is where decline is seen.. thus at 30 (a range, not an absolute) HRT should be a viable option)
 
No shit!

Admission: I'm not really all that little or that much of a rookie. However, I've been clean for over 12 years. I am bigger, stronger (though not as lean) as I was back in the 80's when I was juiced to the gills.

Patience, consistency, diet and sleep, count for alot.
 
Ouch! Reality is a bitch. I hate you Nelson. You know how to take the fun out of everything:bawling:

Well, now that i read this, I got 100 already-brewed bottles of Fina, and now I dont know what to do with it. $5 a piece get your hands on it while you can! But on a more serious note, I got a couple questions. By no means am I simply trying to argue just for arguing sake, I dont consider myself as learned with AAS etc. Just a couple curious questions. If juice is just a lil extra nudge, a "punt" as you call it, how is it worth putting all the effort/$$$/possiblity of getting caught for it. It seems like your making it another supplement. And while i do believe that AAS should be supplemental to dieting and training, personal and obsereved experiences tell me that it is not simply a nudge. Ive seen kids transform their bodies (albeit with 2-3 years of dedication) where the previous 6 years just left them more fit. Maybe Im missing the true factors that are confounded somwhere in there.
And so the only way for juice to work its magic is for some sort of HRT?
Give me a more concrete example of how AAS should be used, for like someone startin at like 25 (only reason i chose 25 is cause I think it a fine time to start juice but could be a long road to hell for HRT, i just want you to help clear up my doubts). As always your posts are incredibly thought-provoking and a little morbid (so much for 8g a test a week BOO @ Nellie-boy). Apreciate your presence here on the boards your a great assest.
 
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