Let's Stop Kidding Ourselves

[macrophage69alpha]

Muscle is best maintained if gained in a slow steady manner. Five pounds a month would be astounding! But that doesn't seem to be good enough for a lot of people and I could never understand that.

agree, to a certain extent.

though your criticism of long cycles is unfounded.

by your line of thinking (the part that has merit) even better than 5lbs a month.. 2lbs a month for a year (thus by your own reasoning.. longer cycles are better)

longer slower more consistent gains

 

[CanadianBro]

I would change one thing Nelson.

I would say the maximum gain would be aroung 12-14 lbs during any 8-10 WEEK PHASE.

Macro, you are correct in saying the generalization is too broad.

I think we would all agree that someone on Test for a year
straight will gain (and keep) more than 10 lbs however I am
quite sure that Nelson is referring to the "average" 8-10 week
cycle.

Other than that, excellent post Nelson. Very true indeed.

 

[Nighthawkk]

Word Good post, puts things in perspective

 

[babbabuee]

Good post Nelson. I think the main point was that juicing is addictive, and I'm not sure anyone will argue that. After only doing one cycle, I have planned to do only two more, but now I wonder if it will stop there. I'll take it one step farther, I even chose to stop smoking weed to make the most of my time on gear. And weed has been a big part of my life for a long time. I prefer that pump and euphoric feeling I get from being "on". I think that's why i choose to do longer cycles (10-12wks), more time on. even if I have to spend more time off, 12 weeks on is golden, i love it.

 

[satchboogie]

interesting.

 

[Citruscide]

I will abstain from posting any comments...

Or is my abstaining ... actually... a comment? Hmm...

C-ditty

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Macro

What did your biggest cycle look like, in terms of dosages? What was your longest? How much of it did you keep after being off completely?

 

[bigrand]

Im going for slower more steady gains now. My first two cycles were 30+ lb gainers. I end up loosing most of it when all said and done (im constantly trying to loose fat and its insanely hard for me, it takes so long i loose a lot of muscle in the process i feel).
I eat WAY too many cals and put on fat. Sure 20lbs of muscle is good, but the 10-15lbs of fat with it takes me like 5 months to loose, hell, im stuck at 217 now and have been for like 2 months even while on thermorex......
Next time, ....only 400mg test a week along with 25mg dbol/day for say 5-6 weeks (lowest dose cycle yet, even a little lower than my first which was 400mg test and around 50mg dbol).
Eat very clean, up protein (fuck the seefood diet).....will be looking for 15 lean lbs. I figure the body can hold on to that better than say 20-25lbs......besides, i feel like shit when i put on 30 in like 2 months....

Slow and steady wins the race.

 

[bicepts101]

Re: Re: Let's Stop Kidding Ourselves

by your line of thinking (the part that has merit) even better than 5lbs a month.. 2lbs a month for a year (thus by your own reasoning.. longer cycles are better)

longer slower more consistent gains

I really agree with this statment macro.

I also think that anti-e's, in small amounts, and clean diet even while bulking is essential while trying to make slower more consistant gains.

 

[jubei]

Where did your 10 pounds of mucle rule come from? I agree with alot of what you wrote. When you state baseless opinions as if they were facts it only serves to usurp your credibility.