Lets open this discussion about legal alternatives to Steroids.

[manny78]

Lets open this discussion about legal alternatives to Steroids.



Every time somebody brings up the word “proHormone” or “ProSteroid” guys will always say “its not better than the real thing”…

Just what is the real thing?

All of the steroids we use today were created 40-60 years ago.
This wonderful hormone called “Testosterone” has lent itself to be synthesized and altered into many different hormones that would otherwise not appear in nature. During the mid 90s due to a loophole in the law companies began to put out new hormones that where not in the list of banned substances from the Bush administration of 1990… The main problems with these first pro hormones were lack of absorption via oral delivery. The early andros just didn’t absorb well and as much as 90% of the product would be destroyed before it reached the blood stream…

Enter Methyl!

Taking a page out of illegal steroids cook book, companies began to add a Methyl to their prohormones. As you all know Methyl hormones like Dianabol, Winstrol, Anavar, and Anadrol have been in use for ages!... the Methylation helps theses hormones make it thru digestion and into our blood streams. Of methylated hormones ingested less than 5% is lost, the other 95% makes into the blood stream untouched!

Over the past couple of years a whole new family of Legal hormones has been created. These are not the Andros of the mid 90s but rather sophisticated engineered designer hormones. Some companies even started adding Ester chains to their hormones and selling them packaged in Sterile solutions that can be injectd. Due to the laws of our land, these companies must market their products as being for “Oral use” however they package their products in bottles that have a rubber stopper perfect for using a needle to draw the hormones and sterile solution containing BA/EA for sterility and suspension purposes.

Althought guys will always say “it is not as good as the real thing” I think they have a skewed view of these legal steroids… They are just as good as “the real thing”, in fact they are not imitation steroids, they are just different steroids…
I’m at a point in my life where taking the risk of receiving packages with illegal contents or having possession of them in my home is not really worth the risk.. I have a son and a career on the fast track! getting arrested right now would bring all of that to a screeching hault…
I’m looking for legal alternatives to achieving my goals, even if the progress is a bit slower, or even if I spend a little more money on creatine and other legal supps… Not going to jail and Not having to pay $everal grand to fight a case in court make it all worth it in the end.


I have tried a few pro hormones and I’m going to name a couple that I was really impressed with.


17a-Methyl-4-HydroxyNandrolone :
this is really a stand out in everything I have used. This hormone is Methylated so it is easily absorbed and almost nothing is lost during digestion. 13 times more ANABOLIC and 3 times more ANDROGENIC then testosterone!
I have a couple of our consultation clients on this stuff and the results have been phenomenal. One of these guys lives in So Cali and 17a-Methyl-4-HydroxyNandrolone
is now classified as a Schedule C-III steroid in three states: California, Montana and Nevada. I know, this is unbelievable and CRAZY, but it's the law. So, if your shipping address is one of the above mentioned three states, most companies can not ship to you.

Of course, there are people who have friends in the other 47 states that it's totally legal to have it shipped to them and then their friends work out some kind of shipping for them. Anyway, we are NOT condoning any law breaking. Just reporting back some customer feedback.

There is an injectable version in the works ( HydroxyNandrolone Decanoate) Just how Equipoise is a Esterified non-Methylated version of dianabol, so is HydroxyNandrolone Decanoate to 17a-Methyl-4-HydroxyNandrolone.



The other satnd out products I have tried is:


4-Hydroxy Testosterone Decanoate: Now this is a pretty cool fucking product… it is as Anabolic and Adrogenic as regular testosterone, but since they tweaked the hormone a bit it will not convert to either Estrogen OR DHT…

In fact, pharmaceutical giant Searle, filed a patent on how to manufacture this modified form of testosterone back in 1956. But luckily for us (and YOU), they never released the hormone commercially and hence, why we are able to as an OTC "supplement".

As stated above, 4-Hydroxy Testosterone Decanoate cannot convert to estrogen. But as another benefit, but it will convert to the powerful "suicide" aromatase inhibitor 4-hydroxyandrostenedione (better known as Formestane).


I have used these two products on myself and have some consultation clients that wanted to try a legal option to Steroids… This stuff has worked great for them.

I hope some of this info helps.

The stuff you posted might be legit and good, but for us canadians it doesnt make a big difference: according to the law, they're the same as any AAS. And since AAS end up costing less than pro-hormones, there's just no need for that. But for you guys, I can see the need for that.

 

[BigGuns29]

not me

I refuse to bye anything not done with US labor

its a matter of principle

What did you write your post with? That computer has more than 99% non-american made components in it. It is a matter of where you draw the line, but you can't say you refuse to buy anything not done with us labor. Ever shop at wal mart?

Yohimbe comes from a tree in Africa. If you buy that stuff or anything that has it in it, than you are buying something that is not done with US labor. Politics suck, and this is why this is true.

 

[muscleup]

BRR , weren't you the guy who was pumping up AP's{Animal Power} products the other day ???...are you sure this thread is not an advertisement for a sponsor

 

[BigGuns29]

BRR , weren't you the guy who was pumping up AP's{Animal Power} products the other day ???...are you sure this thread is not an advertisement for a sponsor

? me?

 

[Mavy]

If you want to do it legally, do it with Food. High protien, great all round diet, and good training and rest. There are few legal substances for muscle growth that I would use without wanting to waste my money. These include creatine, and glutamine peptides.

If you are trying to break out of a plateau, or get past a genetic limit, why not use steroids. It dosent get much more effective than testosterone. This is as simple as it gets. Why would you waste your time and cash on prohormones when anabolic steroids will do whatever they do ... only MUCH better. Save your money and go grocery shopping with it.

Mavy

 

[Big Rick Rock]

BRR , weren't you the guy who was pumping up AP's{Animal Power} products the other day ???...are you sure this thread is not an advertisement for a sponsor

Yes, they are sponsors. People make threads about our sponsors, their products and their competitors all the time... I don't see why it is not OK for me to do it.

 

[Triple J]

I find the products interesting, and there is more to it than just being legal or not. First off, the products are not prohormones they are steroids. Secondly they have some compelling properties in their own right as compared to other AAS: the hydoxy-T does not aromatize or convert to DHT, while the 17aa-hydroxy nandrolone is a short half-life nandrolone like NPP, in the convenience of an oral. These are potentially beneficial modifications to established steroids, so to think there are significant risks (beyond any other AAS) is an exaggeration IMHO.

 

[DIVISION]

Yes, they are sponsors. People make threads about our sponsors, their products and their competitors all the time... I don't see why it is not OK for me to do it.

When you do it, some people see it as a conflict of interests.

 

[Ulter]

...while the 17aa-hydroxy nandrolone is a short half-life nandrolone like NPP, in the convenience of an oral. These are potentially beneficial modifications to established steroids, so to think there are significant risks (beyond any other AAS) is an exaggeration IMHO.

Use it for 6 weeks, get your liver values checked, and then tell me how it stacks up to NPP in terms of risks. I won't even get into the gains aspect because that's not even close.

These "steriods" are a get rich quick scheme by people who don't give a rats ass what sides might be found from their long term use. M1T is absolutely brutal on your liver and like I said, you have no idea under what conditions these chemicals are manufactured. There is no BA in a capsule to at least give you a chance against a contaminent that can phuck you up.

Anafit and AvoPharm passed on this crap a year ago when it was all the rage and we could have cashed in like everyone else. The money is not worth it to us. If in 3-4 years from now the toxicity of these "steroids" turns out to cause serious liver damage or other ailments to people who have used them long term it going to be too bad because the people selling this stuff will be long gone. Right now no one knows what these do to a person using them long term. Luckily they'll only be around a few more months, legally.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

When you do it, some people see it as a conflict of interests.

ahhhh Fuck those people!



(that was a joke by the way)